Rdwc Week Of Hell! Posted In 2 Forums & Nothing But Crickets... Anyone Out There?

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Week 4 of veg and after a Saturday (1/6) changeout, I had PH drop from 5.8 to 4.9 overnight. I drained and added back to balance out at a 5.7 and dropped again to 5.5 the next day so I left it alone and dropped to 5.0 yesterday. The PPM would only drop 10-20 each day. I then drained the entire system and refilled with fresh solution. I use the UC12XL13 with upgrades to the return pump (from 950 to 1200) and extensions of all joints (from 12" to 24") and an extension of both return & delivery manifolds (from XL to XXL). I am running the Current Culture nutrient line as recommended and this is my first time running sterile so I'm hesitant to apply everything I have ever known over the years. My starting solution was at 520 ppm (3.5ml veg a and veg b; 4ml UC roots, 2ml Calmag) and starting PH at 5.9. By the time it filled, the read was 460 ppm and 5.6 ph. This morning ppm is 440 and ph is 5.5.

Factors to help with your assessment:

Room Type: sealed room with no panda paper, used flat white paint (Behr ultra white if you're interested)
Water temp: 68 thanks to 1/2hp chiller stored outside of room
Room temp: 78-80 (sensi controlled w/ 5 ton open blow Lennox)
Room humidity: 53% (controlled by Quest 205)
Fans: 4 with open blow AC fan running constant (plenty of air movement)
Lights: 12 (1 per plant) comprised of 1000 watt MH and 1000 watt hps to create a spectrum (and save what was left of my pockets) with 18/6 photo period
Examination of roots: Pure White & healthy
Examination of stems: 50/50 in showing signs of stress (purple stems- please note, platinum Girl Scout cookies is naturally purplish)
Examination of Water: clean, no strange scent
Water quality: Evolution filtration method bringing me in at 0 ppm and a ph of 6
Water levels: remaining constant with the slightest of drops during the last 3 weeks
Plant Heights: 12-14"
Leaf/plant quality: 7/12 are perky and bushy with slight rusting color on older leaves, 2/12 are droopy-ish with rust color on older leaves, 2/12 are droopy and yellower than others much like soil plants when they're thirsty. (Already ruled out rust fungus and increased Calmag from 1ml/ gal to 2ml/gal but it's still too soon to say this is or is not the issue since)
Pests: spent hours with jewelers loupe and found no signs of pests
Prior to week 4 of veg: there were no issues with any of the plants. Everyone recovered well from a topping on the first day of week 2 and a slight lollipop on the 1st day of week 3
Supports: My Trellis is up for support (built with pvc frame and netted with 2" plastic netting)
Top-off Rez: available for use but haven't needed much of a top off since they're not drinking much.
Meters: Guardian blue lab at mixing station, guardian blue lab in 1st bucket from delivery manifold and guardian blue lab in 1st bucket from return manifold (all calibrated twice).

***Update***
1/11 CC responded to my support ticket
CC recommended a full evac of the system and a 24hr flush comprised of fresh RO water and 10ml/gallon UC Roots. I drained and used a shop vac to get every droplet of water from every bucket. The buckets smelled great, the water was clear, the roots looked like they had nutrient stain which I thought was weird but no slimy or brown roots. I ran the flush as directed and drained it at around 30hrs. I refilled at with premixed solution at a ph of 5.8 and ppm at 480. Less than 24hrs later, I dropped to 5.6 and 460. Wtf is happening?!
 
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My other thread was deleted because I'm not supposed to post in more than one thread . This my first time ever partaking in any online forum so I'm still learning proper etiquette. I could see why they wouldn't want the same thread in multiple forums but I'm desperate.

You'll pick it up. lol Try putting your water in at six if that's what it come out the tap as, I PH between 5.8 and 6.2, put a pic up of your plants, and is your PH meter and PPM meter bang on.
 
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You'll pick it up. lol Try putting your water in at six if that's what it come out the tap as, I PH between 5.8 and 6.2, put a pic up of your plants, and is your PH meter and PPM meter bang on.

I use the evolution so my tap runs through it to my Rez and I come in at 0 PPM and a ph of 5.8-6 depending on how long I let it sit so I don't even use PH down. Also, I calibrated all of my meters twice.
 
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And what PPM are you feeding at?

450 this last feed... I should add that the smaller plants in the pic have been affected most and clearly aren't growing. Leave color is throwing me for a loop as it is getting pinkish/mauve. There is a bit of Taco effect but I don't want to fixate too much on this since I know lockout from ph issues is starving them from their needed nutrients. The strain is platinum Girl Scout cookies & I generally get this leaf coloring at around week 8 of flower). I'm just at a loss lol.
 
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intheuc

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After your plants have had a drink, do you fill up with 6.0 PH water, or do you test before you top up? Nice setup.

I haven't even had an opportunity to do that yet because I just did a change out yesterday after Current Culture's recommended flush. This morning, PH dropped from 5.8 to 5.5 and ppm dropped from 450 to 430 but water levels didn't drop a bit.

Thanks, the setup was a while in the making and I still have a few things I want to tweak. Current Culture needs actual grower feedback because the amount of upgrades needed to get the system running right were too many for its price. They could also use a few special features to set them apart from a Home Depot bucket and fountain pump lol
 
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My other thread was deleted because I'm not supposed to post in more than one thread . This my first time ever partaking in any online forum so I'm still learning proper etiquette. I could see why they wouldn't want the same thread in multiple forums but I'm desperate.
Lmfao.... i love when that happens... the one you reply to will get erased

Best wishes in your grow bud
 
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Week 4 of veg and after a Saturday (1/6) changeout, I had PH drop from 5.8 to 4.9 overnight. I drained and added back to balance out at a 5.7 and dropped again to 5.5 the next day so I left it alone and dropped to 5.0 yesterday. The PPM would only drop 10-20 each day. I then drained the entire system and refilled with fresh solution. I use the UC12XL13 with upgrades to the return pump (from 950 to 1200) and extensions of all joints (from 12" to 24") and an extension of both return & delivery manifolds (from XL to XXL). I am running the Current Culture nutrient line as recommended and this is my first time running sterile so I'm hesitant to apply everything I have ever known over the years. My starting solution was at 520 ppm (3.5ml veg a and veg b; 4ml UC roots, 2ml Calmag) and starting PH at 5.9. By the time it filled, the read was 460 ppm and 5.6 ph. This morning ppm is 440 and ph is 5.5.

Factors to help with your assessment:

Room Type: sealed room with no panda paper, used flat white paint (Behr ultra white if you're interested)
Water temp: 68 thanks to 1/2hp chiller stored outside of room
Room temp: 78-80 (sensi controlled w/ 5 ton open blow Lennox)
Room humidity: 53% (controlled by Quest 205)
Fans: 4 with open blow AC fan running constant (plenty of air movement)
Lights: 12 (1 per plant) comprised of 1000 watt MH and 1000 watt hps to create a spectrum (and save what was left of my pockets) with 18/6 photo period
Examination of roots: Pure White & healthy
Examination of stems: 50/50 in showing signs of stress (purple stems- please note, platinum Girl Scout cookies is naturally purplish)
Examination of Water: clean, no strange scent
Water quality: Evolution filtration method bringing me in at 0 ppm and a ph of 6
Water levels: remaining constant with the slightest of drops during the last 3 weeks
Plant Heights: 12-14"
Leaf/plant quality: 7/12 are perky and bushy with slight rusting color on older leaves, 2/12 are droopy-ish with rust color on older leaves, 2/12 are droopy and yellower than others much like soil plants when they're thirsty. (Already ruled out rust fungus and increased Calmag from 1ml/ gal to 2ml/gal but it's still too soon to say this is or is not the issue since)
Pests: spent hours with jewelers loupe and found no signs of pests
Prior to week 4 of veg: there were no issues with any of the plants. Everyone recovered well from a topping on the first day of week 2 and a slight lollipop on the 1st day of week 3
Supports: My Trellis is up for support (built with pvc frame and netted with 2" plastic netting)
Top-off Rez: available for use but haven't needed much of a top off since they're not drinking much.
Meters: Guardian blue lab at mixing station, guardian blue lab in 1st bucket from delivery manifold and guardian blue lab in 1st bucket from return manifold (all calibrated twice).

***Update***
1/11 CC responded to my support ticket
CC recommended a full evac of the system and a 24hr flush comprised of fresh RO water and 10ml/gallon UC Roots. I drained and used a shop vac to get every droplet of water from every bucket. The buckets smelled great, the water was clear, the roots looked like they had nutrient stain which I thought was weird but no slimy or brown roots. I ran the flush as directed and drained it at around 30hrs. I refilled at with premixed solution at a ph of 5.8 and ppm at 480. Less than 24hrs later, I dropped to 5.6 and 460. Wtf is happening?!
too high of Ec/ppm...
Go look at all the plants roots, and fine the ones that are the darkest,
and give me pics of them and the plants close up...
just a few pics so we can see how much you fried them...
 

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