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Just to give you something

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Veg per gal : 5-6-4
Flower per gal : 6-9-8

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Flower
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That a rough outline. You can't hit exactly what I would want to hit with just 3 part alone but it's pretty close hence the +/- on percentages. 3 bottles (plus Si if you like - 26ppm total for mix). Again this is just the profile I run for veg/flower. No Pk boost. Same mix start to finish. This is just 1 of many. This might not be right for you. This isnt a god ratio that is better then anything else. It is close to what a lot of companies run like veg+bloom ect tho. Just something I tweaked messing with salts. I've run it on DTW rockwool and coco. Seeing that and how high the Mg is already getting I wouldn't get calmg/epsom anywhere near 3 part mixes. You need a standalone Ca mix if you want more. You can also see that adding 3-5 extra nutes on top of 3 part will start getting out of control real quick on ratio's if you don't know exactly what you are mixing. PPM wise and ratio wise.

Stop the guess game on nutes. It's something if you spend a little time figuring out and researching it takes all the guess work out of everything and really lets you dial what you are doing. Not to mention save a ton of money. Getting x problem? Up/lower this nute/bottle. Until you get there correcting problems is just a craps shoot and a guessing game. Seems like I'm coming hard out of the gate a little on this but day after day it's the same questions over and over and the advice that is given is all over the place as you saw asking at 3 different places. Just trying to help you get where you need to be and rock it.
 
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cemchris said:
Just to give you something

rough
Veg per gal : 5-6-4
Flower per gal : 6-9-8

Veg
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Flower
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That a rough outline. You can't hit exactly what I would want to hit with just 3 part alone but it's pretty close hence the +/- on percentages. 3 bottles (plus Si if you like - 26ppm total for mix). Again this is just the profile I run for veg/flower. No Pk boost. Same mix start to finish. This is just 1 of many. This might not be right for you. This isnt a god ratio that is better then anything else. It is close to what a lot of companies run like veg+bloom ect tho. Just something I tweaked messing with salts. I've run it on DTW rockwool and coco. Seeing that and how high the Mg is already getting I wouldn't get calmg/epsom anywhere near 3 part mixes. You need a standalone Ca mix if you want more. You can also see that adding 3-5 extra nutes on top of 3 part will start getting out of control real quick on ratio's if you don't know exactly what you are mixing. PPM wise and ratio wise.

Stop the guess game on nutes. It's something if you spend a little time figuring out and researching it takes all the guess work out of everything and really lets you dial what you are doing. Not to mention save a ton of money. Getting x problem? Up/lower this nute/bottle. Until you get there correcting problems is just a craps shoot and a guessing game. Seems like I'm coming hard out of the gate a little on this but day after day it's the same questions over and over and the advice that is given is all over the place as you saw asking at 3 different places. Just trying to help you get where you need to be and rock it.
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I appreciate this more than you know
 
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Actually I’m pretty bored so I’ll just ask now. Am I reading that chart correctly. It’s being measured in grams per gallon? Also if I do stick with the armor si. Do you recommend just the labels suggested strength?
 
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Rdub said:
Actually I’m pretty bored so I’ll just ask now. Am I reading that chart correctly. It’s being measured in grams per gallon? Also if I do stick with the armor si. Do you recommend just the labels suggested strength?
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That program is tailored for dry nutes. Those additions are ml since I added them as liquid nutes.

I would have to see the label of Armor Si. Let me see if I can find it.
 
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Thanks for running those numbers for me. Maybe I’m just being dense but I don’t see the ml additions on those charts. Also I know you said those charts are a rough starting point but I’m very interested in dropping my current routine and picking up something more basic. No harm in switching now is there?
 
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Also getting into mixing

Water ---> Armor Si ---> PH Down (since it will spike ph to around 10) ---> Micro ---> Grow ----> Bloom
 
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Rdub said:
Thanks for running those numbers for me. Maybe I’m just being dense but I don’t see the ml additions on those charts. Also I know you said those charts are a rough starting point but I’m very interested in dropping my current routine and picking up something more basic. No harm in switching now is there?
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The additions say grams but they are in ml since the input for those are liquid not solids. It's just an option when inputting the formula into the program. The program doesn't change the g listing to ml on that page. Don't let that throw you for a loop. You can do all of this in an excel spreadsheet or break it down in something like cannastats http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm or even with a calculator and a pencil.


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cemchris said:
Also getting into mixing

Water ---> Armor Si ---> PH Down (since it will spike ph to around 10) ---> Micro ---> Grow ----> Bloom
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Ph down to 5.8 before adding nutes? Won’t that drop my desired ending ph way below after I add the trio?
 
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cemchris said:
The additions say grams but they are in ml since the input for those are liquid not solids. It's just an option when inputting the formula into the program. The program doesn't change the g listing to ml on that page. Don't let that throw you for a loop. You can do all of this in an excel spreadsheet or break it down in something like cannastats http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm or even with a calculator and a pencil.


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I gotcha thanks for clarifying and providing that link
 
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Rdub said:
Ph down to 5.8 before adding nutes? Won’t that drop my desired ending ph way below after I add the trio?
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You dont need a specific ph after Si just something in the range between 5-8. Being on the high end of either side will slow the mixing rate of certain nutes and cause problems. Using Advanced Ph down 1 capful (gallon bottle) with my tap water after Si in 40 gals will put my finally mixture around 5.7 after nutes. This isnt 3 part tho. This step might not even be needed with liquids. Can't tell you for sure. Def wont hurt anything. This is getting into understanding the elements of what you are mixing and their solubility at certain PH ranges and temps.
 
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1 more thing. Switching in the middle of a run won't hurt anything unless you already have a ton of buildup in the medium. Again this might not work for you and your feeding times. This is just what I have tuned down to my style of waterings (1 min cycles 3-5 waterings per 12 hr). Watering times/frequency is just as important as the feed. Having one out of wack won't do you any good in either direction. Try it and try others see what works or breakdown the ppm what you have been feeding, including starting water, and see where you are landing to see if it's watering, nutes, or both that need to be adjusted. Time to do some leg work.
 
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After our little discussion yesterday I decided to try the Lucas formula. I didn’t go with your rough schedule but I appreciated the info you gave me and it was a good nudge in the right direction. As far as watering times go I’m in an autopot system which is a constantly bottom fed so I have no control over that. The ppm of Lucas came out to a whopping 950 starting with ro water. I watered it down to 500. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but 950 is a bit much no?
 
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Well he we are, at what I assume is a couple weeks out from harvest. Judging by this pic would it be safe to assume about 2 more weeks till harvest? Breeder says it’s an 8 week strain and I’m 2 days away from the beginning of week 7. I bought a jewelers loupe and looked at the trichomes. It’s kind of hard to tell if they are cloudy or clear still but definitely no amber trichomes yet. What do you guys think? Should I start decreasing nutrients for a week and then flush? ✌️ and ❤️
 
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Well the plant itself looks like its yellowing for some reason, but it really shouldnt be, the buds look like they need at minimum 2 more weeks, possibly 3.
 
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Yep and here you will get 12 more different answers, lookes just like what happened to me i narrowed it down to swings in my rh, rel hum, not nute burn all your leaf tips would be fried.
 
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Dirtbag said:
Well the plant itself looks like its yellowing for some reason, but it really shouldnt be, the buds look like they need at minimum 2 more weeks, possibly 3.
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Yeah it’s been a rocky flowering period, kind of a rocky grow in general. I’m just trying to get to harvest at this point and I’ll do things a bit differently on my next grow
 
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The garden in general is pretty sad but hilarious at the same time ( I just have to laugh or I’ll be all depressed about it). It’s like 40 different colors and that sad sad plant on the lower right hand side just makes me laugh harder. On the plus side. Flowers are still growing putting on weight and producing trichomes so I’m hopeful. Also I think I know the chain of events that led up to this situation. Needless to say I’m going super simple And super light on my nutrients until I have a little more experience under my belt
 
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