1st time grower, seed problems?

Budw3is3r · Jul 23, 2020

Devlin1242 said:
Looks like it could be rust spot fungus.should be easy to cure with neem oil and prevented by lowering the humidity. I had trouble with rust spot before i got my dehumidifier

Cheers, found out it was wind burn. After main-lining for the first time I made a schoolboy error and pointed the fans at them.

Bud

Tornadohunting420 · Jul 23, 2020

QuindariousGooch said:
Yeah, I want sure. If it can't be clones it is no value to me. The cost alone for 800 seeds per run makes it undoable. Unless the seeds are incredibly consistent we would end up with multiple phenos some of them undesirable.

800 WOW go big or go home I guess lol

QuindariousGooch said:
No doubt that is cheap for seeds but for a commercial operation I don't see autos ever making sense. At the risk of being perceived as combative I will share my perspective from a commercial operation with the goal of sharing an angle it would be difficult to see from a non-commercial point of view. I am certainly not shooting down yours or anyone ideas or methods. If anyone uses autos to grow indoors commercially I would love to hear their perspective. I've never tried it so I could be wrong.
There is a a guy on Strainly who is listed under "Mark" (link to Mark). He sells seeds he produces for $1 and sends them to you before you pay...great dude. We discussed running seed runs but saw more challenges than benefits.

Scale...
Every 2 weeks....
We produce 1300 clones to place 1200 of those clones into veg.
800 of those go into flower... 400 discarded
Repeat

I bet I could get autos for $1 bulk. Clones cost us about 12 cents to produce so there would have to be some serious benefits on the back end.
We are commercial with branding concerns. If our product fluctuates in quality, effect, look, etc we lose business. Multiple/inconsistent phenos would not meet the markets expectations.
Not being able to preserve a killer pheno would be a perceived loss.
Clones cost about 12 cents each vs $1.12 if seeds are a dollar. We do have a cost to keep moms but we have not broken that out but I am sure it isn't near $1 per clone.

We don't have issues with light leaks and we grow in rockwool and soil is a huge draw back in cost and labor. Also dealing with all that dirt. Lots of people do it but for us we like the efficiency of rockwool. 5 people can cut down & hang an 800 plant room and get it cleaned and prepped for loading the next day. If we ran with dirt that would be impossible and require processing square footage for all those pots. We just fill a dumpster and it's over.

So, I see the benefits for smaller growers, especially new ones, having a set-it-and-forget it auto flower. Again, if a commercial grower has found a way to use autos effectively I'd be interested in your input.

Cheers,
Quindarious

Lol how does 5 people cut down an 800 plant room n harvest 800 plants n clean the room and have it ready for the next day ? This if true at least in my opinion is bullshit lol. Must be some pretty small plants as when I harvest mine each plant takes me roughly 4-5 hrs to harvest.

greengenes44 · Jul 23, 2020

QuindariousGooch said:
Can you clone them?

I don't think they can be cloned.

greengenes44 · Jul 23, 2020

Tornadohunting420 said:
for me it is at least I'm always looking for strong heavy indicas couchlocking me . Last crops gg#4 wedding cake now critical kush is flowering. Can't wait to try the Bruce banner 2.0 and gelato next

That Bruce Banner packs a punch. The strongest I ever had.

Kanzeon · Jul 23, 2020

Tornadohunting420 said:
800 WOW go big or go home I guess lol

Lol how does 5 people cut down an 800 plant room n harvest 800 plants n clean the room and have it ready for the next day ? This if true at least in my opinion is bullshit lol. Must be some pretty small plants as when I harvest mine each plant takes me roughly 4-5 hrs to harvest.

800 plants divided by 5 people is 160 plants per person. Assuming an 8-hour workday, that's 3 minutes to cut and hang each plant. If they're being cut from clone, they're likely grown SOG style and it's a quick trim job. Seems doable.

Tornadohunting420 · Jul 23, 2020

Kanzeon said:
800 plants divided by 5 people is 160 plants per person. Assuming an 8-hour workday, that's 3 minutes to cut and hang each plant. If they're being cut from clone, they're likely grown SOG style and it's a quick trim job. Seems doable.

I understand but that quickly u must be missing quite a big of leaf. Ever try harvesting machine I haven't but I'm interested price wise kinda steep.

dire wolf · Jul 23, 2020

Kanzeon said:
800 plants divided by 5 people is 160 plants per person. Assuming an 8-hour workday, that's 3 minutes to cut and hang each plant. If they're being cut from clone, they're likely grown SOG style and it's a quick trim job. Seems doable.

And no Cheetos break ? Where you working .......wuhan ?

dire wolf · Jul 23, 2020

dire wolf said:
And no Cheetos break ? Where you working .......wuhan ?

I ain't gonna work on kanzeon farm

QuindariousGooch · Jul 23, 2020

LittleDabbie said:
You can get auots pretty cheap, theres a guy on strainly.io selling a cpl nice 90 and 120 day autos..

"I also have 5 auto flowering strains, a 90 day super strain that producers around a quarter pound of dense heavy buds in around 90 days. My new 105 day Sour Lemon is ready as well.

Autos are on for $25 a dozen."

Plus he ALWAYS sends WAYYYYYYYYYY moar seeds then you pay for.. I payd for 60 got well over 100, Bout to pay for 100 will prolly get 200.. The guys amazing.

Thanks for the referral. Perhaps it will help some readers. We run 800 plants into flower every 2 weeks. We cut 1300 clones And start 1200 every 2 weeks in veg to get the 800 for flower. If we threw that many seeds we would lose consistency, pay more to start fdplants, cringe as we threw away 400 seed starts every 2 weeks and no ability to clone a killer plant. Clones cost about 12 cents to produce for Rock wool axdnd labor.

Tornadohunting420 said:
800 WOW go big or go home I guess lol

Lol how does 5 people cut down an 800 plant room n harvest 800 plants n clean the room and have it ready for the next day ? This if true at least in my opinion is bullshit lol. Must be some pretty small plants as when I harvest mine each plant takes me roughly 4-5 hrs to harvest.

Interesting that you would think I would bs about something like that. It only takes about 15 seconds to cut a plant it then gets weighed and transported to the drying room and hung we don't pull all the fan leaves that day so your assumptions are that we would do things the way that you do. But we're able to get 800 plants cut hung and out of the room by lunch and clean the room after lunch. I work in a commercial grow in Tacoma Washington and if you can't do it like that you ain't going to make it when pot goes to 500 a pound. your impression of harvest is probably to cut each branch with the little hook on it and hang it from a string so that it can dry properly we hang whole plants because we're a commercial operation and we have to be able to produce pot for 20 to 25 cents a gram to make it in the market. this might wrinkle your sheets a little more... We also grow on a vertical wall instead of tables and we don't use any dirt. We root clones in 1200 ppm on a 500 scale. when we plant seeds we stick them into an AOK put it in the block and start giving it 1200 ppms dead nuts right out of the gate just like everyone says you're not supposed to but somehow we're able to get 800 plants down in a day and you're calling b******* on that. Don't go into commercial growing.

Moshmen · Jul 23, 2020

Hey ya all have smoked commercial weed right? Lmao

Its the whole reason I started growin

Moshmen · Jul 23, 2020

QuindariousGooch said:
Thanks for the referral. Perhaps it will help some readers. We run 800 plants into flower every 2 weeks. We cut 1300 clones And start 1200 every 2 weeks in veg to get the 800 for flower. If we threw that many seeds we would lose consistency, pay more to start fdplants, cringe as we threw away 400 seed starts every 2 weeks and no ability to clone a killer plant. Clones cost about 12 cents to produce for Rock wool axdnd labor.

Interesting that you would think I would bs about something like that. It only takes about 15 seconds to cut a plant it then gets weighed and transported to the drying room and hung we don't pull all the fan leaves that day so your assumptions are that we would do things the way that you do. But we're able to get 800 plants cut hung and out of the room by lunch and clean the room after lunch. I work in a commercial grow in Tacoma Washington and if you can't do it like that you ain't going to make it when pot goes to 500 a pound. your impression of harvest is probably to cut each branch with the little hook on it and hang it from a string so that it can dry properly we hang whole plants because we're a commercial operation and we have to be able to produce pot for 20 to 25 cents a gram to make it in the market. this might wrinkle your sheets a little more... We also grow on a vertical wall instead of tables and we don't use any dirt. We root clones in 1200 ppm on a 500 scale. when we plant seeds we stick them into an AOK put it in the block and start giving it 1200 ppms dead nuts right out of the gate just like everyone says you're not supposed to but somehow we're able to get 800 plants down in a day and you're calling b******* on that. Don't go into commercial growing.

Oh it’s defiantly doable and profitable ! Just not desirable. Again the whole reason we don’t buy commercial weed

QuindariousGooch · Jul 23, 2020

Tornadohunting420 said:
I understand but that quickly u must be missing quite a big of leaf. Ever try harvesting machine I haven't but I'm interested price wise kinda steep.

We don't pull any fans on the day we harvest we hang them and, once dry, use a twister trimmer to remove the fan leaves and a green bros to do a final quick trim then they go up for two to three snips hand trimmed and into a bag eventually. We cut 800 plants by lunch with two people in the hanging room, one person on transport, and three people in the cutting room. One of those three weighs the plants and two are cutting. We do that every two weeks. I posted a picture of one of our bays on another post but I'll add it here as well. Remember there are no pots, no dirt, and no cleaning pots. After the plants are cut we pull the blocks out onto a cart and put it them a dumpster and we're done. Then you sweep the room out pressure wash all surfaces and disinfect. Clean dripper heads and pre-filters for the irrigation system and the room's ready to go. This level of efficiency allows us to sell we ed to the stores at a price that they can put it out as $20 eighths where the competition is 25 to 30. And they have to be because it costs them more to grow. And as for the system, we basically invented and built that out in house. We also get about two square feet of canopy for every one square foot of floor we would have been using because of the height we go up. The lights are LEDs mounted on vertical racks we built and they kill on yield.
Cheers,
Quindarius

Kanzeon · Jul 23, 2020

Tornadohunting420 said:
I understand but that quickly u must be missing quite a big of leaf. Ever try harvesting machine I haven't but I'm interested price wise kinda steep.

Depends on how much was trimmed ahead of time and how detailed of a wet trim was desired. My setup isn't big enough to warrant a trimmer, I do everything by hand.

Also @dire wolf that's why I work alone!

My farm is suicide net-free.

Wolfe · Jul 23, 2020

QuindariousGooch said:
Thanks for the referral. Perhaps it will help some readers. We run 800 plants into flower every 2 weeks. We cut 1300 clones And start 1200 every 2 weeks in veg to get the 800 for flower. If we threw that many seeds we would lose consistency, pay more to start fdplants, cringe as we threw away 400 seed starts every 2 weeks and no ability to clone a killer plant. Clones cost about 12 cents to produce for Rock wool axdnd labor.

Interesting that you would think I would bs about something like that. It only takes about 15 seconds to cut a plant it then gets weighed and transported to the drying room and hung we don't pull all the fan leaves that day so your assumptions are that we would do things the way that you do. But we're able to get 800 plants cut hung and out of the room by lunch and clean the room after lunch. I work in a commercial grow in Tacoma Washington and if you can't do it like that you ain't going to make it when pot goes to 500 a pound. your impression of harvest is probably to cut each branch with the little hook on it and hang it from a string so that it can dry properly we hang whole plants because we're a commercial operation and we have to be able to produce pot for 20 to 25 cents a gram to make it in the market. this might wrinkle your sheets a little more... We also grow on a vertical wall instead of tables and we don't use any dirt. We root clones in 1200 ppm on a 500 scale. when we plant seeds we stick them into an AOK put it in the block and start giving it 1200 ppms dead nuts right out of the gate just like everyone says you're not supposed to but somehow we're able to get 800 plants down in a day and you're calling b******* on that. Don't go into commercial growing.

This dude is a amateur posting his first grow and you’re on her posting commercial grows.

I’m confused. I thought he was just trying to get advice on his very few rockwool seeds starting. Interesting twist it’s taken here. Personally I am about quality and not quantity as most home growers are.

dire wolf · Jul 23, 2020

Hedonisticpsycho said:
KISS. Germinate using paper towel method. Moist warm dark environment for 2-3 days. They will sprout. Then into solo cups with pro mix veg and herb soil. 12 hours light 12 hours total dark. No nute a for first 2-3 weeks. Always water bass in pot weight. Lift the pots and when they feel lite water them.
At 3 weeks start introducing ANY produced weed fertilizer package...usually comes with 3 different types of nutes you mix up together.
Follow the instructions that came with the fertilizers and you will get good results.
I don’t really mess with ph BUT if you mix the nutes and then adjust ph using ph up or ph down then you will really be doing your girls a solid.
My 4 girls are under 2 mars led lights. And I bring them outside every day for some real sun.
I’m on my second grow and I think my 4 girls will yield around a pound.
I won’t smoke a pound in a year lol

When I started out I really over thought every aspect.
Now I realize, good soil, good light, proper watering, good nute product. Great results.
Happy growing my friend.

Here is a pic of Pocahontas, one of my 4. She is in week 5 of flower.

Hey hedo , do you go
directly from seed to 12/12 light cycle ? Did I read that correctly ?

Tornadohunting420 · Jul 23, 2020

dire wolf said:
And no Cheetos break ? Where you working .......wuhan ?

Lol your eyes would've bugging out your head trimming n working that fast! Wear goggles lmao. Maybe hire Mexicans.

Tornadohunting420 · Jul 23, 2020

Wolfe said:
This dude is a amateur posting his first grow and you’re on her posting commercial grows. I’m confused. I thought he was just trying to get advice on his very few rockwool seeds starting. Interesting twist it’s taken here. Personally I am about quality and not quantity as most home growers are.

There's 2 kinds of growers quality kind like us then there's the other kind that prefers $ over quality that's the corporate greed! That's why recreational use n sales should be totally legal in every state as it is here in Canada. So your basically slaving your employees with no breaks ? They all will have issues with there eyes down the road . What r u paying them to slave like that ? Mexicans are cheap. They do the Tomato fields here . What's your utility Bill's run and your insurance costs each month if u dont mind me asking . By the way u must have some great security as well ? I'm just curious on this as I'm sure quite a few people are. U must be insured right dont u do drops with your bud to dispensaries?

Moshmen · Jul 23, 2020

Tornadohunting420 said:
There's 2 kinds of growers quality kind like us then there's the other kind that prefers $ over quality that's the corporate greed! That's why recreational use n sales should be totally legal in every state as it is here in Canada. So your basically slaving your employees with no breaks ? They all will have issues with there eyes down the road . What r u paying them to slave like that ? Mexicans are cheap. They do the Tomato fields here . What's your utility Bill's run and your insurance costs each month if u dont mind me asking . By the way u must have some great security as well ? I'm just curious on this as I'm sure quite a few people are. U must be insured right dont u do drops with your bud to dispensaries?

I’d like to add a question, do employees actually use there own product?

Wolfe · Jul 23, 2020

dire wolf said:
Hey hedo , do you go
directly from seed to 12/12 light cycle ? Did I read that correctly ?

No doubt, I leave my lights on 24 hours for germinating mainly because it’s easy and lets me do sprouts nearly anywhere. I don’t have to worry about not going into the room and being cautious during 18/6. I do run 18/6 after I get it out of the the room of t5s and into a room of 6000 watts. Unfortunately, a pound won’t last me a year like this guy because I eat it, smoke it, plus make salves and stuff. I can yield a half a pound a day on my card legally. And sometimes I do. I agree with keeping it simple but I wouldn’t be putting my seeds on 12/12. That won’t allow him to vegetate his plants. Could make it harder for them to sprout as well. I wonder what happened to this guys seeds. Starting in rock wool for the first time isn’t always the easiest from my experience. Hope this guy had a few more sprout out of it.
Sucks to have seeds wasted. We all know of ordering them in most cases isn’t cheap.

Aqua Man · Jul 23, 2020

Wolfe said:
No doubt, I leave my lights on 24 hours for germinating mainly because it’s easy and lets me do sprouts nearly anywhere. I don’t have to worry about not going into the room and being cautious during 18/6. I do run 18/6 after I get it out of the the room of t5s and into a room of 6000 watts. Unfortunately, a pound won’t last me a year like this guy because I eat it, smoke it, plus make salves and stuff. I can yield a half a pound a day on my card legally. And sometimes I do. I agree with keeping it simple but I wouldn’t be putting my seeds on 12/12. That won’t allow him to vegetate his plants. Could make it harder for them to sprout as well. I wonder what happened to this guys seeds. Starting in rock wool for the first time isn’t always the easiest from my experience. Hope this guy had a few more sprout out of it.
Sucks to have seeds wasted. We all know of ordering them in most cases isn’t cheap.

I have to ask.. how exactly does the light affect a seeds ability to sprout?

And how can you not veg plants in 12/12 I'm not saying it's as effective as other light cycles but you absolutely could.

1st time grower, seed problems?

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