I am stuck in the middle where you were. I am using Fox Farms products on their schedule but in between feedings I make teas in veg with molasses, Bokashi, kelp meal, bat guano, alfalfa meal, Alaska Fish Emulsion, worm castings, humic, and maybe more. In flower I drop the fish and alfalfa meal and go with high phosphorus guano. BUT, I have already boughtAlls I know is I started with synthetics... I then tried to use both synthetic and organic...then I tried just 100% organically grown living soil. No comparison and wont look back...
To each their own tho. :)
wow, just wow. That's impressive.9/9 snow. 9/20. Jack Flash #5. Still doing great!
So your composting your soil, prepping it? nice. I've got some land up in the cascades and the soil is perfect for something like this, I planted some mix last year, but not cannabis specific, I need to get some of this up there for in the spring, thanks for posting.I am stuck in the middle where you were. I am using Fox Farms products on their schedule but in between feedings I make teas in veg with molasses, Bokashi, kelp meal, bat guano, alfalfa meal, Alaska Fish Emulsion, worm castings, humic, and maybe more. In flower I drop the fish and alfalfa meal and go with high phosphorus guano. BUT, I have already boughtView attachment 1033620this cover crop seed for late fall. And Fava Beans and Daikon Radish seed for spring.
Picked this up in the spring. Had to chop them back twice so wouldn't be taller than my plants! Loving the companion planting!I am stuck in the middle where you were. I am using Fox Farms products on their schedule but in between feedings I make teas in veg with molasses, Bokashi, kelp meal, bat guano, alfalfa meal, Alaska Fish Emulsion, worm castings, humic, and maybe more. In flower I drop the fish and alfalfa meal and go with high phosphorus guano. BUT, I have already boughtView attachment 1033620this cover crop seed for late fall. And Fava Beans and Daikon Radish seed for spring.
Thanks! The 4th pic is a different plant but the rest are all the same plant. The other two seem to be quite a bit behind but weather looks ok coming up.Wow. Great work on this plant!
So not only good base, but it's also provides cover as well?Picked this up in the spring. Had to chop them back twice so wouldn't be taller than my plants! Loving the companion planting!
I think I'm going this route and getting 25 lb of it. Several clovers, vetch and radish, I did a few pounds this year, but I want to do at least 1/2 an acre or more. (over 10 acres up there) 25lb for $85I am stuck in the middle where you were. I am using Fox Farms products on their schedule but in between feedings I make teas in veg with molasses, Bokashi, kelp meal, bat guano, alfalfa meal, Alaska Fish Emulsion, worm castings, humic, and maybe more. In flower I drop the fish and alfalfa meal and go with high phosphorus guano. BUT, I have already boughtView attachment 1033620this cover crop seed for late fall. And Fava Beans and Daikon Radish seed for spring.
We'll I'm not a bio-chemist (not trying to misrepresent myself) I have a biochem background (1 year) and 3 years of organic, inorganic and general chemistry (all college level). I also have a year of microbiology. (2 semesters) I've got an RN degree, and was planning to become a nurse practitioner (APRN) which takes the same level courses of say a medical doctor, a pharmacist, or perhaps masters level MA. A biochemist is much more in depth, for certain, and would have taken those classes and even more. Probably shouldn't be even saying this, actually. (kinda pins down who I am).
That said, to each their own, and certainly everything can be done with a simple 6 pack of nutrients, and I suppose many do. That doesn't change the fact that there's many different ways to grow, and for me, growing organically has been far easier than growing chemically, but as I stated before, I tend to do a bit of a hybrid of them, staying in neither camp, I use what works, period. Also, some of them won't probably use a salt when it's needed, because they have this ignorant "preconception" it's not "organic", which it absolutely is....
I suppose a lot of people have problems with organics because of the sheer complexity too it, there's far more organic choices than inorganic ones, and all of them come with certain caveats, strengths and weaknesses, or perhaps even cross over's. Salts are likely more simple and straght forward for the newer guy, but people like sub-cool made it really easy to figure out..
Also, for me, I've got over 10 acres of land in the Cascades, with tons of thick rainforest soil, and glacial dust, even a glacial creek. I have plans in the spring, and learning this well will serve me for years to come. I don't want to have to tend something that's 50 miles away twice a week, because I'm using organic salts only, that's just not feasible, or realistic, whatsoever.
I've been growing thousands of seeds because I have a plan in mind. I think we just are thinking along two different ways of doing something, and you've got a little more specialized approach, perhaps. Just because someone don't have a bunch of letters after there name, doesn't mean shit with cannabis. I've got a friend who's been doing it for almost 40 years, and nothing else. He's a freaking genius in my eyes, but he see's me smart in the more traditional sense, I suppose.
Just as your calling me "organic" my wife handed me these from the mail.
@frebo i like you more and more. i'm going to keep being a little bit mouthy because you teed this up perfectly. @Frankster -- these are legumes. Legumes and nitrogen-fixing bacteria are key to biogeochemistry. It's also part of the reason I am so scared of overfeeding the outdoor crop.I am stuck in the middle where you were. I am using Fox Farms products on their schedule but in between feedings I make teas in veg with molasses, Bokashi, kelp meal, bat guano, alfalfa meal, Alaska Fish Emulsion, worm castings, humic, and maybe more. In flower I drop the fish and alfalfa meal and go with high phosphorus guano. BUT, I have already boughtView attachment 1033620this cover crop seed for late fall. And Fava Beans and Daikon Radish seed for spring.
I think I'm going this route and getting 25 lb of it. Several clovers, vetch and radish, I did a few pounds this year, but I want to do at least 1/2 an acre or more. (over 10 acres up there) 25lb for $85
Looks like a few cedars are coming down, so I can make some insta foxfarms soil on my land. Then cover it with this. This will stop the soil erosion also, very cool. I've got a small field up on the far end, maybe just widen it, and plant this kind of seed. Designed To Encourage Mycorrhizal Fungi Populations
Damn, I could take down a few acres and do this all along the steam bed, hmmm. My biggest issue is the land is on a hillside, and I want to prevent soil erosion along the stream bed, (it's a problem for the whole area) if I go that route, because it gets several feet of snow every year. Planting would stabilize the land in a big way, plus I would have control over what is growing.
Here's a pic of the land. Think this could be converted for growing purpose?
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And she busts out the dick pic lmaoI agree that intelligence and expertise come in all shapes and sizes--and people are educated in all sorts of ways, in all sorts of 'schools'. In fact, in my experience, academic intelligence pales in comparison to other kinds of intelligence. But we all have our strengths and our weaknesses--and we all bring something to the team. I happen to be the academic, science-y type. We are intermittently useful. So I applaud your interest in biochemistry and ecological cycles. Please keep studying. Because currently, you're way off base.
First, you need to go back and correct your definitions of organic chemistry and inorganic chemistry. Then you need to get a more informed understanding of the facts and fictions involved in what different people think 'organic' and 'inorganic' growing is. While of course these things are all related, they have very distinct meanings.
If you are going to study biochemistry, you need to learn--well--chemistry.
And biology. And ecology. And how it all works together.
I have a suggestion for one way to get you back on track in your learning process. Start with learning the chemical pathways of the cycling of a single element--like Nitrogen--through ecological systems at multiple scales. When dead plants and animals (which are the eventual source of Nitrogen in 'organic' gardening) decompose, the element Nitrogen is converted into inorganic chemical compounds such as ammonium salts. This happens through a chemical process called mineralization. The ammonium salts are absorbed onto clay in the soil and then chemically altered by bacteria into nitrite and then nitrate (the various types of mycorrhizal fungi come into play in other ways). Nitrate is the form most commonly used by plants. 'Inorganic' gardening, like 'organic' gardening, BOTH require the inorganic chemical called nitrate (again, because this is the chemical form plants are able to uptake). 'Organic' nutrients take alot longer to break down into the inorganic salts and inorganic forms of nitrogen, while 'inorganic' nutrients--sometimes termed 'synthetic' and often BUT NOT ALWAYS derived from petrochemicals--are delivering the already broken down form of Nitrogen.
From there you can start to see how biochemistry can guide you through different mediums and light sources and amount of veg time (among other things). I'm just learning about outdoor growing the past few years, and I still don't know how outdoor growers can stand not knowing if their nutrients are even chemically broken down enough to be available to the plant--i go crazy not knowing how much the outdoor plants are actually getting fed, aka how much of what is in the soil and how much of what is in the 'tea'. And don't get me started on ratios.
At the same time, I step back and let my outdoor grow partner lead the way because he gets results and I've only ever had experience with indoor. But he ain't allowed near my rooms as i make my slow but sure transition back inside.
Apologies everyone, but I couldn't take it anymore.
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I am in no way saying what you are doing is wrong and I am in no way saying that I know everything, however what I do know comes from yrs of experience and that is worth a lot.I'm with you on the living part for sure, I just think there's something to be gleaned from using "some salts" toward the end of the haul. Start out with an completely organic setup, then as the plant enters it's last stages, add the salt's as needed to "optimize" the finish.
Maybe it can be done entirely organic, I'm not saying it can't be, but I've certainly not done it at that level quite yet, but I've only been trying my hand at organics for a little while now, (less than a year) before then, I used almost entirely synthetic. (for years), so I'm certainly not an expert by any means. Just trying my hand at a new type of grow, that's all.
Certainly, getting the mix just right, should be a key component.
Clearly, that would be a shame, and no, I'm not intending to clear cut a mountian side as your crazily suggesting. I won't "clear cut" anything. But I certainly might expand some of the field that's already present on my land, and use good ground coverage to help stabilize the area. Dude, you really need to chill out, and maybe smoke a joint or something, your really seem to be reaching for controversy. That's not the point of these forums, I don't believe.so, you're going to deforest the larger living system? clearcutting slopes for agriculture, and then replicating the living soil you just fucked up? if you clear those trees, you'll destabilize the slopes. cover crop won't prevent erosion in time. the type of forest ecosystems in the Cascades have very thin soils, and it will slide right into the stream bed if you clear that area. along with all your runoff--and we know what high Nitrogen levels do to algae levels in water, right?
I am in no way saying what you are doing is wrong and I am in no way saying that I know everything, however what I do know comes from yrs of experience and that is worth a lot.
I know a lot of people use your methods but the way I look at it is pretty simple. Organics doesn't need those big number nutrients to produce big quality yields from synthetic ferts. If you mix your soil right all the nutrients will already be broke down and available to the plant by the time flowering starts.
In fact adding those high number synthetic can work against you causing lock out if other nutrients.
Like I said to each their own...
P.s. I did an experiment with a plant. It was grown in one of my boxes with my living soil. It was not fed anything and if it did not rain it did not get watered. The only thing I did was support it so the wind didnt break it.
Good morning Gl hope y’all are doing well plants included! I had a pretty good frost last night some of the gals are drooping they aren’t so happy but the sun is shining on them now I hope they perk up. How was it over yonder?I am in no way saying what you are doing is wrong and I am in no way saying that I know everything, however what I do know comes from yrs of experience and that is worth a lot.
I know a lot of people use your methods but the way I look at it is pretty simple. Organics doesn't need those big number nutrients to produce big quality yields from synthetic ferts. If you mix your soil right all the nutrients will already be broke down and available to the plant by the time flowering starts.
In fact adding those high number synthetic can work against you causing lock out if other nutrients.
Like I said to each their own...
P.s. I did an experiment with a plant. It was grown in one of my boxes with my living soil. It was not fed anything and if it did not rain it did not get watered. The only thing I did was support it so the wind didnt break it.
Pic from yesterday!!!Good morning Gl hope y’all are doing well plants included! I had a pretty good frost last night some of the gals are drooping they aren’t so happy but the sun is shining on them now I hope they perk up. How was it over yonder?
Been in the 40s as a low so we are good for a bit...dont worry they will perk back up later in the day. It takes several hours.Good morning Gl hope y’all are doing well plants included! I had a pretty good frost last night some of the gals are drooping they aren’t so happy but the sun is shining on them now I hope they perk up. How was it over yonder?