High THCV strains and breeding them

TripsRabbit said:

Maybe @Aqua Man
@Moe.Red
Or some guru either of you could recommend can point me in the right direction.

The high THCV strains listed on the interwebs are non existent. Are there any easily accessible regular seeds I could get my hands on that anyone knows of?

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MrToad said:

Red.

Don't sweat the Durban..You've been more than generous including us in this project...I'll send you some of what I have, or will try to source more for you..You do what you feel is best for the project..Who bred your Durban beans?

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Moe.Red said:

You guys got any testing you want to do with respect to freeze drying or curing or anything? I'm gonna freeze dry some of each plant.

I wonder what the difference in cannabinoids is with different curing methods, especially the minors like CBG CBN etc. Could maybe do a series of 8 TLC tests?

First would be the 5 plants freeze dried and tested right away.

Second would be at the end of air drying and the start of cure.
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If we wanted to split the curing into 2 methods we could do that too. Maybe to burp or not to burp? Brown bag or glass? glass vs plastic? I dunno.

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BunnyAnd.Ducky said:

Try a food dehydrator

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Skeptik said:

Yeah, I second this. Just let us know what you need.


I expect I'm going to get a lecture for this, but the fact is I really don't know if, nor have I seen any studies that verify that, cannabinoid concentration is affected by curing, other than passive degradation, e.g. THCA ---> THC ---> CBN, that happen through passive oxidation? It seems overtly that terpenes are affected, because curing is mainly about flavor, right, but you obviously belive there's another benefit to it? I prefer whole- plant (or whole-bud, if you will) edible, so curing is just a small of a part of my process.

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Skeptik said:

I expect I'm going to get a lecture for this, but the fact is I really don't know if, nor have I seen any studies that verify that, cannabinoid concentration is affected by curing, other than passive degradation, e.g. THCA ---> THC ---> CBN, that happen through passive oxidation? It seems overtly that terpenes are affected, because curing is mainly about flavor, right, but you obviously belive there's another benefit to it? I prefer whole- plant (or whole-bud, if you will) edible, so curing is just a small of a part of my process.

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MrToad said:

Red.

Don't sweat the Durban..You've been more than generous including us in this project...I'll send you some of what I have, or will try to source more for you..You do what you feel is best for the project..Who bred your Durban beans?

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Moe.Red said:

Ah, don't put words in my mouth Kemosabe, that is just not sanitary

What I believe is the degradation over time you mention, along with the breaking down of sugars and plant matter like chlorophyll that make bud that is destined for smoke taste better. I also believe significant terpenes are lost in this process. These are things that I have read and they fit with my personal experience.

What I believe is that there are a whole host of other beliefs out there with regards to curing and storing (lots of which are consistently reinforced by places like this) that are just not true, and without a formal test that people can see and agree upon, there will continue to be people that adamantly defend their position. Hell, even after proof there are those that will stick to the earth is flat. This testing is not for those people. This test will serve those that genuinely are curious and would change their beliefs based on new evidence. We had an example just a few comments ago -

lets dry in a dehydrator - no way that makes it taste like hay.

It's easy to dig your heels in on one side or another and defend your convictions, what is difficult is being truly open minded yet thinking critically to avoid becoming a cult member. I'm sure there are people feeling uncomfortable just reading this. Challenging beliefs is not something we are wired to do easily, your conscious has to step in and push out the subconscious need to get along, need to feel you have a grasp on the world, instinct to protect your own thoughts, etc. It takes a little practice and often a new mindset. I could not have thought as I do now at the age of 20 - my brain would not allow me. Some of you reading this may be there as well. Here's a chance to grow a little in support of a thing in your life you love.

So, I have a harvest
I have several different ways to dry and or cure
I have the ability to test our beliefs with empirical data
Why not put some of these notions to bed once and for all?

What I typically do is freeze dry the same day of harvest and process immediately. I believe that is the best overall product for my needs. I leave open the possibility I am wrong. That's how the scientific method works.

What I would like to do (maybe I need a new thread for this) is to perform a whole host of tests. Lighting. Harvest. Storage. Hydro vs Dirt. ETC. Put the data out there in the wild. A rising tide lifts all boats equally. We could all improve as growers if we do this right and have an open mind. Let's use this lab and every opportunity such as a harvest to test something controversial, even if it has nothing to do with THCV. Whatcha think?

So, my humble ask my fellow growers - help me design a test that checks all the boxes, solves for as many variables as possible in the shortest time, and whose results will be accepted by the vast majority of participants here. Then lets do the same on all the other things! Like UV and Far Red. LED vs. HID. Full spectrum vs. partial. When to harvest for maximum cannabinoids. Testing claims made by manufacturers, seed companies, etc. Hydro vs Dirt. Sterile vs. Organic. The list is huge. We could have a lot of fun.

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Moe.Red said:

Ah, don't put words in my mouth Kemosabe, that is just not sanitary

What I believe is the degradation over time you mention, along with the breaking down of sugars and plant matter like chlorophyll that make bud that is destined for smoke taste better. I also believe significant terpenes are lost in this process. These are things that I have read and they fit with my personal experience.

What I believe is that there are a whole host of other beliefs out there with regards to curing and storing (lots of which are consistently reinforced by places like this) that are just not true, and without a formal test that people can see and agree upon, there will continue to be people that adamantly defend their position. Hell, even after proof there are those that will stick to the earth is flat. This testing is not for those people. This test will serve those that genuinely are curious and would change their beliefs based on new evidence. We had an example just a few comments ago -

lets dry in a dehydrator - no way that makes it taste like hay.

It's easy to dig your heels in on one side or another and defend your convictions, what is difficult is being truly open minded yet thinking critically to avoid becoming a cult member. I'm sure there are people feeling uncomfortable just reading this. Challenging beliefs is not something we are wired to do easily, your conscious has to step in and push out the subconscious need to get along, need to feel you have a grasp on the world, instinct to protect your own thoughts, etc. It takes a little practice and often a new mindset. I could not have thought as I do now at the age of 20 - my brain would not allow me. Some of you reading this may be there as well. Here's a chance to grow a little in support of a thing in your life you love.

So, I have a harvest
I have several different ways to dry and or cure
I have the ability to test our beliefs with empirical data
Why not put some of these notions to bed once and for all?

What I typically do is freeze dry the same day of harvest and process immediately. I believe that is the best overall product for my needs. I leave open the possibility I am wrong. That's how the scientific method works.

What I would like to do (maybe I need a new thread for this) is to perform a whole host of tests. Lighting. Harvest. Storage. Hydro vs Dirt. ETC. Put the data out there in the wild. A rising tide lifts all boats equally. We could all improve as growers if we do this right and have an open mind. Let's use this lab and every opportunity such as a harvest to test something controversial, even if it has nothing to do with THCV. Whatcha think?

So, my humble ask my fellow growers - help me design a test that checks all the boxes, solves for as many variables as possible in the shortest time, and whose results will be accepted by the vast majority of participants here. Then lets do the same on all the other things! Like UV and Far Red. LED vs. HID. Full spectrum vs. partial. When to harvest for maximum cannabinoids. Testing claims made by manufacturers, seed companies, etc. Hydro vs Dirt. Sterile vs. Organic. The list is huge. We could have a lot of fun.

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Moe.Red said:

Question: What is a Master Breeder?
Answer: A Master Breeder has mastery over the cannabis wheel. The wheel being a pie shaped graphic depicting the four components of cannabis which are; Medicinal, Yield, Characteristics and Effects.

Examples of Medicinal are seizure and anti-inflammatory properties.

Yield encompasses the size of the plant and its vigor in different climate zones.

Characteristics are color, taste and smell.

Effects are: sleepy time, creativity, sexual arousal etc. A Master Breeder can with the help of a well stocked seed bank, first design and then create a new strain from the four parts of the cannabis wheel with certainty and deliberation. A Master Breeder calls their shot before they attempt to make it. There is no slop! No guessing. No crossbreeding to see what happens. A Master Breeder knows what is going to happen.

It takes 7 generations minimum and thousands of phenotypes to stabilize a strain so that every seed is an exact duplicate of the parent. It also takes up to five years to stabilize that strain unlike crossbreeding, which takes only months to pick one phenotype to mother clones of which there will be NO seeds.


From Norcal Farms

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autogrouv said:

Hi guys. have any of you tried thc-victory?. or not yet? right now in the process and another question on thcv can anyone describe personal observations on the effect?

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autogrouv said:

yes bro!
room 1.5x8.5m, light 5/600hps ventilation silent 1000 cbm.
my goal is to obtain tncvictory in the reg.version by crossing a related plant, further selecting the tncvictory and backcross phenotypes
on the photo tnсvictory 4 weeks vegi 2 of which stood in a stupor

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autogrouv said:

and another question on thcv can anyone describe personal observations on the effect?

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