Mikedin’s grow journal 2, let’s go!

Mikedin · Dec 3, 2022

Ok got some time and got the 3rd layer of 3 mil contractor garbage bags on the homemade tent and light proofing is done it’s a blacked out room but I also run a tv in there so made sure she was fully blacked out photos for reference haha

And since the tent is all done she was flipped to 12/12

She’s a guessing game she was an “autoflower” and all the other seeds she was planted with flowered as a auto would, this girl just passed 4 months of veg lol she’s ready to be forced and I guess we’ll see what we get

Mikedin · Dec 7, 2022

Just a quick update after an ungodly run of overtime at work the past 3 weeks straight

Gotta really check over the girls tomorrow they’ve been pretty much just watered the past 3 weeks I think it’s time to feed big time

Candy kush is in the dark for the past 5 hours I’ll leave her be till tomorrow

The close up photo is the cookies Kush that was topped 4x and then supercropped I’ll let them go awhile longer then flip them, some are still pretty small might go another 2-3 weeks, all the smaller plants are the monstercropped clones that have then been topped in different ways to try stuff haha

2Water · Dec 7, 2022

Mikedin said:
Just a quick update after an ungodly run of overtime at work the past 3 weeks straight

Gotta really check over the girls tomorrow they’ve been pretty much just watered the past 3 weeks I think it’s time to feed big time

Candy kush is in the dark for the past 5 hours I’ll leave her be till tomorrow

The close up photo is the cookies Kush that was topped 4x and then supercropped I’ll let them go awhile longer then flip them, some are still pretty small might go another 2-3 weeks, all the smaller plants are the monstercropped clones that have then been topped in different ways to try stuff haha

Looking good!

Mikedin · Dec 8, 2022

@WeedIsMySpinach @ninjadip heres my current grow log

And todays update as well! My mars Hydro UV/IR light attachments came today. Plants get a rave for a half hour a day to mosh pit the PM off them!

IR and UV can be independently controlled, they will run all day with the FC-E8000and then alone for 1/2 hour after the main lights turn off followed by the dark period, have read studies that UV treatment without blue wavelength hitting the PM at the same time allows the UV to kill/alter the PM’s DNA as what protects its DNA is activated when it receives blue/cool wavelengths

Study shows a UV treatment followed by at least 4 hours of darkness is showing to be a good Pm control method, so let’s give it a try!

Not much to look at when the main light is on but once they are out it’s a different story lol

WeedIsMySpinach · Dec 8, 2022

Mikedin said:
@WeedIsMySpinach @ninjadip heres my current grow log

And todays update as well! My mars Hydro UV/IR light attachments came today. Plants get a rave for a half hour a day to mosh pit the PM off them!

IR and UV can be independently controlled, they will run all day with the FC-E8000and then alone for 1/2 hour after the main lights turn off followed by the dark period, have read studies that UV treatment without blue wavelength hitting the PM at the same time allows the UV to kill/alter the PM’s DNA as what protects its DNA is activated when it receives blue/cool wavelengths

Study shows a UV treatment followed by at least 4 hours of darkness is showing to be a good Pm control method, so let’s give it a try!

Not much to look at when the main light is on but once they are out it’s a different story lol

Yea I also heard in a Migro and Bruce Bugee YouTube vid that it’s best in blasts…. 1/2 hour on then 2-3 hours off. Apparently the plant can build an “immunity” to the constant UV.

Found it lol

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ninjadip · Dec 8, 2022

WeedIsMySpinach said:
Yea I also heard in a Migro and Bruce Bugee YouTube vid that it’s best in blasts…. 1/2 hour on then 2-3 hours off. Apparently the plant can build an “immunity” to the constant UV.

Found it lol

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i think i saw that video before, love some bruce bigbee. i thought the burst thing was only for UV-B not UV-A. UV-A is safe all day, most grow lights now have some 380nm diodes in them which is UVA. Just looked up this bar, it uses 385nm for the UV, which is UV-A. and 740nm for the "IR" or as many on here call it "far red" which to me is more accurate. I/R is such a broad range... hate how anything past 700nm is considered I/R to grow light companies. to me I/R doesn't start until past 750nm and anything 700-750 is far red. When most people think of I/R they think of invisible(undetectable to human eye) infra-red. which is past the 750nm mark.

@Mikedin i like those supplemental bars!!! cool how they have independent switches. Really nice!

I have the cheap chinese alternative to those, i think they made all the difference in my last grow.

WeedIsMySpinach · Dec 8, 2022

ninjadip said:
i think i saw that video before, love some bruce bigbee. i thought the burst thing was only for UV-B not UV-A. UV-A is safe all day, most grow lights now have some 380nm diodes in them which is UVA. Just looked up this bar, it uses 385nm for the UV, which is UV-A. and 740nm for the "IR" or as many on here call it "far red" which to me is more accurate. I/R is such a broad range... hate how anything past 700nm is considered I/R to grow light companies. to me I/R doesn't start until past 750nm and anything 700-750 is far red. When most people think of I/R they think of invisible(undetectable to human eye) infra-red. which is past the 750nm mark.

@Mikedin i like those supplemental bars!!! cool how they have independent switches. Really nice!

I have the cheap chinese alternative to those, i think they made all the difference in my last grow.

Ohhhh ok, tbh I probably smoked waaay to much when I watched it lol it was late…..
I have always thought that too, infra red was unseeable by human eye but some others have tried to “twist it” when it just needs to be explained a bit more lol

Mikedin · Dec 8, 2022

WeedIsMySpinach said:
Yea I also heard in a Migro and Bruce Bugee YouTube vid that it’s best in blasts…. 1/2 hour on then 2-3 hours off. Apparently the plant can build an “immunity” to the constant UV.

Found it lol

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Awesome! Right now I have the timer set up to turn in a half hour before the lights come on and then stay on for a half hour past the main lights, I’ll have to see if my timer does multiple timings per channel, it’s a digital timer with independent plugs, hopefully I can time it more than once per 24 hour period!

ninjadip said:
i think i saw that video before, love some bruce bigbee. i thought the burst thing was only for UV-B not UV-A. UV-A is safe all day, most grow lights now have some 380nm diodes in them which is UVA. Just looked up this bar, it uses 385nm for the UV, which is UV-A. and 740nm for the "IR" or as many on here call it "far red" which to me is more accurate. I/R is such a broad range... hate how anything past 700nm is considered I/R to grow light companies. to me I/R doesn't start until past 750nm and anything 700-750 is far red. When most people think of I/R they think of invisible(undetectable to human eye) infra-red. which is past the 750nm mark.

@Mikedin i like those supplemental bars!!! cool how they have independent switches. Really nice!

I have the cheap chinese alternative to those, i think they made all the difference in my last grow.

I agree bigbee is awesome! A lot of the reason for the changes I’ve made in the tent along with @Aqua Man and @steamroller

Also just did some defol on the cookies Kush and took off some lower chutes and figured hey why not throw them in some pucks and see what happens, gave them a rooting gel dip, and it just so happens I have my heating mats I won from the @SpiderFarmerLED giveaway a few months ago so as promised let’s put it to use! Thank you again for the giveaway spiderfarmer!

steamroller · Dec 8, 2022

Dude love your energy with all the OT and running your tent like a champ.
Not to throw any shade on the UV lighting extras but I feel the need to @Moe.Red in and have him just go back to https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/mikedin’s-grow-journal-2-let’s-go.141633/post-2886723
and see if your timing is right.
I can't say, but thought the uv[either or] was only used the 1/2 hour before and after not all day.

I have been wrong before and want to learn so I really want to hear from Moe on this.
I asked him specifically about your fixture [ and maybe soon mine] and he said the one for veg and then other for flower.
Which could be easily controlled with a timer and you flipping the switch at X weeks?
Hey Moe!

steamroller · Dec 8, 2022

Bring you into another thread;

Survey: Is Infrared Diode A Must on Light?

Man so close. But from what I see they are together. So let’s say you want to put your flowers to sleep faster so you can run 13 on 11 off in flower. The far red will help with that if you turn it on 30 minutes before lights out and run it for 30 after. But UVA you want on in the middle part...

www.thcfarmer.com

Survey: Is Infrared Diode A Must on Light?

They are separately controlled by a switch, but the sake of automation you just use one for one and another for the other? It would take two fixtures to separately control them.

www.thcfarmer.com

Survey: Is Infrared Diode A Must on Light?

I could see using them as far red in veg thru first couple weeks of flower then switch to uv for the back half of flower. Could work and you need less hardware in your grow space.

www.thcfarmer.com

ninjadip · Dec 8, 2022

steamroller said:
Dude love your energy with all the OT and running your tent like a champ.
Not to throw any shade on the UV lighting extras but I feel the need to @Moe.Red in and have him just go back to https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/mikedin’s-grow-journal-2-let’s-go.141633/post-2886723
and see if your timing is right.
I can't say, but thought the uv[either or] was only used the 1/2 hour before and after not all day.
I have been wrong before and want to learn so I really want to hear from Moe on this.
I asked him specifically about your fixture [ and maybe soon mine] and he said the one for veg and then other for flower.
Which could be easily controlled with a timer and you flipping the switch at X weeks?
Hey Moe!

Was Moe talking about UVA or UVB? Can't just throw them both into one group when discussing grow lights. I know that UVB is the one to watch for, this fixture's UV diodes are at 385nm, which is UVA.

This type of UVA diode is in most modern grow lights already, just not to the scale of the supplemental light.

See the spider farmer specs?

What a grow light will almost never have built in is UVB.

Moe.Red · Dec 8, 2022

steamroller said:
Dude love your energy with all the OT and running your tent like a champ.
Not to throw any shade on the UV lighting extras but I feel the need to @Moe.Red in and have him just go back to https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/mikedin’s-grow-journal-2-let’s-go.141633/post-2886723
and see if your timing is right.
I can't say, but thought the uv[either or] was only used the 1/2 hour before and after not all day.
I have been wrong before and want to learn so I really want to hear from Moe on this.
I asked him specifically about your fixture [ and maybe soon mine] and he said the one for veg and then other for flower.
Which could be easily controlled with a timer and you flipping the switch at X weeks?
Hey Moe!

I got some reading to catch up on here to say anything intelligent but I’ll be back when I have a bit more time.

Mikedin · Dec 8, 2022

steamroller said:
Dude love your energy with all the OT and running your tent like a champ.
Not to throw any shade on the UV lighting extras but I feel the need to @Moe.Red in and have him just go back to https://www.thcfarmer.com/threads/mikedin’s-grow-journal-2-let’s-go.141633/post-2886723
and see if your timing is right.
I can't say, but thought the uv[either or] was only used the 1/2 hour before and after not all day.
I have been wrong before and want to learn so I really want to hear from Moe on this.
I asked him specifically about your fixture [ and maybe soon mine] and he said the one for veg and then other for flower.
Which could be easily controlled with a timer and you flipping the switch at X weeks?
Hey Moe!

Excellent info! Still reading more into it so anything more knows I’ll defenitly use his info! They run off the same switch so on and off one for UV one for IR I know that “IR” on these lights is really more of just a far red and same as I believe they use UVA instead of UVB (unless I mixed that up lol) but I figured any boost they could get can help! And thank you for the kind words on the tent I wish I did even better and didn’t have to deal with the PM haha

steamroller · Dec 8, 2022

ninjadip said:
Was Moe talking about UVA or UVB? Can't just throw them both into one group when discussing grow lights. I know that UVB is the one to watch for, this fixture's UV diodes are at 385nm, which is UVA.

This type of UVA diode is in most modern grow lights already, just not to the scale of the supplemental light.

See the spider farmer specs?

What a grow light will almost never have built in is UVB.

We are not all Spider Farmers here.
Read the links I posted .
We are talking about the Mars Hydro lights.
They may be different.

Mikedin · Dec 8, 2022

Moe.Red said:
I got some reading to catch up on here to say anything intelligent but I’ll be back when I have a bit more time.

Thanks buddy! I’m one of the throw everything including the kitchen sink at a task kinda person lol but I do a little reading, I wanted these fixtures in already so I’m glad I got them. But if I can improve when to have what on in relation to the main lights to increase yeild and density and flavor and even appearance I’m always game to try it… especially if it even remotely can assist in the PM department lol

ninjadip · Dec 8, 2022

steamroller said:
We are not all Spider Farmers here.
Read the links I posted .
We are talking about the Mars Hydro lights.
They may be different.

I just posted that cause they are used in many lights, it's nothing super special. But it still is beneficial at the right time of course.

I've read those links cause I have posts in them. I am not ignorant. Just a huge difference in UVA to UVB. I have similar supplemental bars.

ninjadip · Dec 8, 2022

Mikedin said:
Thanks buddy! I’m one of the throw everything including the kitchen sink at a task kinda person lol but I do a little reading, I wanted these fixtures in already so I’m glad I got them. But if I can improve when to have what on in relation to the main lights to increase yeild and density and flavor and even appearance I’m always game to try it… especially if it even remotely can assist in the PM department lol

I would love to hear @Moe.Red opinion on UV light and PM. I didn't know it was effective against it. I know that UVC can kill anything and that that is used sometimes for sterilization, but can only be used in micro doses on plants.

I think the far red will increase yield with the Emerson effect, right Moe?

Mikedin · Dec 8, 2022

ninjadip said:
I would love to hear @Moe.Red opinion on UV light and PM. I didn't know it was effective against it. I know that UVC can kill anything and that that is used sometimes for sterilization, but can only be used in micro doses on plants.

I think the far red will increase yield with the Emerson effect, right Moe?

Yep, either way I plan to continue with my peroxide foliar spray it’s kept them the PM at bay these past few weeks. Doing the defol on the cookies kush and 2 of the clones I found only 1 leaf really with a few spots of pm so I’ll continue the regimen I’ve been doing, but if the UV has any affect I’ll be happy lol, did the before and after timing to see if it could help with anything else that may only be absorbed when full spectrum is not active and only the far red and UV lights are active in the leaves

These are UVA producing diodes by the way lol so there’s that to consider it’s more a benefit to the plant than the PM issue but I figured it may assist in some way

ninjadip · Dec 8, 2022

Mikedin said:
Yep, either way I plan to continue with my peroxide foliar spray it’s kept them the PM at bay these past few weeks. Doing the defol on the cookies kush and 2 of the clones I found only 1 leaf really with a few spots of pm so I’ll continue the regimen I’ve been doing, but if the UV has any affect I’ll be happy lol, did the before and after timing to see if it could help with anything else that may only be absorbed when full spectrum is not active and only the far red and UV lights are active in the leaves

It's possible. I leave mine on for the full light cycle, I was overcrowded for a bit that could have led to PM, but either the lights like you say or all the air flow kept it away, thankfully I haven't had to deal with that. But I def have had my own issues

Mikedin · Dec 8, 2022

ninjadip said:
It's possible. I leave mine on for the full light cycle, I was overcrowded for a bit that could have led to PM, but either the lights like you say or all the air flow kept it away, thankfully I haven't had to deal with that. But I def have had my own issues

Yeah just gave them the peroxide spray and stripped some leaves that would block airflow, but besides that here’s a show with just the UV, then just IR then both, I also spray down the floor with the peroxide spray and wipe it down each time I spray the plants, every 2 or 3 times I do the spray I’ll wipe down every wall, tops and faces of fans all the wires, everything I can reach with he same peroxide spray just trying to kill and funguses or bacteria that may come into the tent, after dealing with pm the last grow and the start of their one I think I’ll probably do peroxide treatments in the plants at least bi-weekly even when I don’t have any noticing issues in the future

Also they both do stay on the full light cycle plus 30 minutes on each end, im in veg still obviously but I’ll change the times once I flip to 12/12

Mikedin’s grow journal 2, let’s go!

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