Chronic Monster
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the second purple nug actually looks pretty damn dank:) wouldn't mind sampling some of that:joint:
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Squirrel,
You are blowing things way out of proportion. We are talking about a weed that grows pretty easily. Not everything in the ground needs to be given to a plant as they have been shown to grow just fine on X number of nutrients.
Chrysmatic has been kind enough to help in regards to DIY nutrient making and the points he makes are valid and true. So to insult simply because he chooses not to post his plants is ridiculous.
You are blowing things way out of proportion. We are talking about a weed that grows pretty easily. Not everything in the ground needs to be given to a plant as they have been shown to grow just fine on X number of nutrients.
Chrysmatic has been kind enough to help in regards to DIY nutrient making and the points he makes are valid and true. So to insult simply because he chooses not to post his plants is ridiculous.
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on a more DIY topic... any of you guys using sulfuric acid diluted as a ph down or even getting food grade phosphoric acid and diluting?
what would the ramifications be, if any, of using sulfuric and NPK ratios... for some reason i thought the nute companies took using phosphoric acid as pH down into consideration.
thanks!
what would the ramifications be, if any, of using sulfuric and NPK ratios... for some reason i thought the nute companies took using phosphoric acid as pH down into consideration.
thanks!
desertsquirrel
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that pic is of my medicine.
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organicfreak
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Yes I'm using sulferic acid (batery acid) as a ph down.. WORKS AMAZINGLY... and its cheap... 8$ is for a qrt divid this by 4 is 8oz....
Take 4 gallon jugs and remove 8oz from each...
ad the 8oz of sulfuric acid back in a shake PRETTY FUCKING EASY...
I just use the lid as a measuring spoon..
AND FOR THOSE WORRIED ABOUT SAFTY....
When I pour it in the lid some splashes out (usally) AND IT DOES NOTHING TO MY HANDS.... lol I have dr. hands soft & smooth....
I make 4 gallons of down for around 12$'s
I own a r.o machine but its easy/cleaner just to buy new gallons of distilled water for 4$ish...
Others just choose to use lemon juice it also cheap like 2$ish for a bottle...
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Take 4 gallon jugs and remove 8oz from each...
ad the 8oz of sulfuric acid back in a shake PRETTY FUCKING EASY...
I just use the lid as a measuring spoon..
AND FOR THOSE WORRIED ABOUT SAFTY....
When I pour it in the lid some splashes out (usally) AND IT DOES NOTHING TO MY HANDS.... lol I have dr. hands soft & smooth....
I make 4 gallons of down for around 12$'s
I own a r.o machine but its easy/cleaner just to buy new gallons of distilled water for 4$ish...
Others just choose to use lemon juice it also cheap like 2$ish for a bottle...
o
K
kuz
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What you got, 30 lights, 60 maybe? Dont kid yourself, you are nothing but a bug splat on the windshield to big pharma. Go on and demand legit medicine, its going to be a corporation with a couple hundred thousand plants, not a 15 light grow. If they even need the plant at all.
Fatman threw out some guidelines, a place to start, thats all. There is a lot of really good info in this thread. You havent said how much iron you think the plant needs. Does it need the same amount of iron the whole grow? What about edta, do you use it. Tested your plants for cadmium? Whats more chlorine do for the plant, when is it toxic? what form to add it. How do you get nickel to the plant? Done a side by side? You have other issues with fatmans guidelines?
I'm not a chemist or a botanist, I see big healthy plants and I look at what the grower is feeding them, its real simple.
budboy299
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Here is SSH at just over 3.5 weeks. DIY Canna knock-off of their coco A&B, along with DIY Hammerhead.
tiny bit of burning at leaf edges due to me running it slightly too hot for them. Its only my second run of SSH and they like their nutes a tad less. Light is 600watt HPS. I pull between 20-21 oz from this when doing a high yielder like chronic but this will be lower yield/higher quality
tiny bit of burning at leaf edges due to me running it slightly too hot for them. Its only my second run of SSH and they like their nutes a tad less. Light is 600watt HPS. I pull between 20-21 oz from this when doing a high yielder like chronic but this will be lower yield/higher quality
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organicfreak
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nice pic bb
that just 1 monster or is ther a couple in there?
Whats next moab right?
I just fucked up and boosted 2 much moab wk1... lol was trying to set it of right and now just alot of flushing and couple wk set back :sign0065::sign0065::mad0229:
I'll stick with the 5ml/5gal next time 4SURE.... what dosage you using? any sugar/mollases??? anything else???
tried your clearex recipe lol just did it all in 1 liter instead of 2 lol fuck it only sugar.... I'll let you know how they taste....
I used gravity and snow storm AND :confused0054:!!!!! Nugs are fat and when you squish them... They wont let you haha ROCKS..
And trich's are everywhere so between silica & snowstorm Its raining trichs:rain
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that just 1 monster or is ther a couple in there?
Whats next moab right?
I just fucked up and boosted 2 much moab wk1... lol was trying to set it of right and now just alot of flushing and couple wk set back :sign0065::sign0065::mad0229:
I'll stick with the 5ml/5gal next time 4SURE.... what dosage you using? any sugar/mollases??? anything else???
tried your clearex recipe lol just did it all in 1 liter instead of 2 lol fuck it only sugar.... I'll let you know how they taste....
I used gravity and snow storm AND :confused0054:!!!!! Nugs are fat and when you squish them... They wont let you haha ROCKS..
And trich's are everywhere so between silica & snowstorm Its raining trichs:rain
o
budboy299
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5 in there right now. The SSH I have though is a hermie. Weirdest thing I have ever seen though....one ball will form right at where the stalk meets the branch and then no more. BUT every damn internode has one ball!!! I have run dozens of strains in this room and this is the only one to do it. Sad too as my buddies say this one is the best without exception.
Problem is, I invariably miss one or two balls and then you have seeds. Not tons but enough to be a pain in the ass. So this SSH will be shelved after this run and back to some of my tried and trusted strains.
Problem is, I invariably miss one or two balls and then you have seeds. Not tons but enough to be a pain in the ass. So this SSH will be shelved after this run and back to some of my tried and trusted strains.
Crysmatic
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not one pic of my medicine? maybe you should give me credit when you use one of my pics.
i'm sure you hated to knock one of my harvests (i see your condescension and raise you sarcasm). fwiw, i tried it a time or two, didn't like it, and never tried it again :) i admit it was a disappointing harvest. i can't even be bothered to make hash from what i got. go ahead, kick me when i'm down.
it's so generous of you to compare your legal, indoor grown, commercial nute, controlled environment weed to my outdoor...my FIRST outdoor hydro, my FIRST time with an obscure NLxBB, my FIRST diy batch of nutes, clandestine, outdoor, robbed, harvested early, canadian continental weather...how about MY indoor, pbp grown weed? why not show the pics of your sick plants? play nice. and having your buddy 'unknowingly' compliment your pic was a nice touch.
nobody learned from their success - we learn from our mistakes. i've learned TONNES in the last year, and hence lots of mistakes. i can discern from your words that you found something that works, and you can't fathom that anyone could find a different solution. in this situation you're not using logic, you are using EMOTION. using words like 'hate', 'irresponsible' and 'unethical' is an emotional attack. good grief. feelings are useful in the right situation, and when they're interpreted correctly, and acted upon constructively. out of curiosity, what is your gender?
ironically it is YOU who don't know what you're feeding your plants. how dare you play russian roulette with your patients?! whatever i feed plants, I consciously and thoughtfully put there. it's not due to mixing a half dozen bottles mixed by other people (do you trust labels?) you're calculating ppm from commercial nutes...you're half way to diy...you can do it! my formula didn't work from the get go - there was a formulation learning curve, and a learning curve of its implementation. i got that $hit down now. i made a cns17 batch for my grower, and he wants my original formula - which wasn't even quite what i intended due to salt availability. you've said that there are 'many great nutrients' on the market. don't you wonder how so many different formulas can ALL be great??
please don't use semantics. it's a PLANT! i won't lie, your bud is impressive. i have testimonials that crysmatic formula-grown weed is AAA (better than med club weed). i know pics are worth 1000 words, and i will post 100% diy harvest asap - please don't bug me until i get them. after i post pics of fat, crystally, potent buds, are you still going to tell me that they're deficient?
i'm sure you hated to knock one of my harvests (i see your condescension and raise you sarcasm). fwiw, i tried it a time or two, didn't like it, and never tried it again :) i admit it was a disappointing harvest. i can't even be bothered to make hash from what i got. go ahead, kick me when i'm down.
it's so generous of you to compare your legal, indoor grown, commercial nute, controlled environment weed to my outdoor...my FIRST outdoor hydro, my FIRST time with an obscure NLxBB, my FIRST diy batch of nutes, clandestine, outdoor, robbed, harvested early, canadian continental weather...how about MY indoor, pbp grown weed? why not show the pics of your sick plants? play nice. and having your buddy 'unknowingly' compliment your pic was a nice touch.
nobody learned from their success - we learn from our mistakes. i've learned TONNES in the last year, and hence lots of mistakes. i can discern from your words that you found something that works, and you can't fathom that anyone could find a different solution. in this situation you're not using logic, you are using EMOTION. using words like 'hate', 'irresponsible' and 'unethical' is an emotional attack. good grief. feelings are useful in the right situation, and when they're interpreted correctly, and acted upon constructively. out of curiosity, what is your gender?
ironically it is YOU who don't know what you're feeding your plants. how dare you play russian roulette with your patients?! whatever i feed plants, I consciously and thoughtfully put there. it's not due to mixing a half dozen bottles mixed by other people (do you trust labels?) you're calculating ppm from commercial nutes...you're half way to diy...you can do it! my formula didn't work from the get go - there was a formulation learning curve, and a learning curve of its implementation. i got that $hit down now. i made a cns17 batch for my grower, and he wants my original formula - which wasn't even quite what i intended due to salt availability. you've said that there are 'many great nutrients' on the market. don't you wonder how so many different formulas can ALL be great??
please don't use semantics. it's a PLANT! i won't lie, your bud is impressive. i have testimonials that crysmatic formula-grown weed is AAA (better than med club weed). i know pics are worth 1000 words, and i will post 100% diy harvest asap - please don't bug me until i get them. after i post pics of fat, crystally, potent buds, are you still going to tell me that they're deficient?
desertsquirrel
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There are cheaper and better alternatives to moab imop, however its a fine monopotassium phosphate (KH2PO3). How many days are you running it for? And what is your base elemental P that your boosting from?
I wouldn't boost longer then 3-4 days for a p spike.
Actual Available PPM Profiles for a few boosters (@1g/Gal):
Open sesame:
N 13.21
P 51.84
K 41.66
Beastie bloomz:
N 0
P 56.8
K 65.78
Cha-Ching:
N 23.78
P 57.60
K 21.93
Growtek Monsterbloom:
N 0
P 56.8
K 65.78
Moab:
N 0
P 56.8
K 65.78
Shooting Powder:
N 0
P 10.37
K 43.86
MonoPotassium Phosphate:
N 0
P 56.8
K 65.78
And prices:
Shooting powder 500g/54.95
Moab 500g/40.25
Grotek monsterbloom 500g/28
Fox farm 3 part boosters 450g/25.95
Koolbloom 450g/21.95
Monopotassium phosphate 450g/2.05
budboy299
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DS...the "Moab" I use is actually just a knock-off of the Mad Farmer brand.
90.81 grams of MAP
1.0 grams of thiamine hydrochloride
908.19 grams of MKP
This is about as close as I can get to Mad Farmer's brand using the same ingredients that they use. Total cost is 2.72/kg of fert
I usually hit them at around week 7 (10 week strain) and run it for a week.
Works great.
My base nutes are Canna Coco knock-off @ 5-4-3 In bloom I spike the PK the first week which seems to help them trigger to bud quickly.
Then I bump both my P and K with a Knock-off of Hammerhead 9/18
Followed with a shot of MOAB at week 7
I do find though that the SSH is far more sensitive to nutes in general but seems especially to not like much of a change in P and K.
Last I am running this strain so I won't bother experimenting too much with her.
90.81 grams of MAP
1.0 grams of thiamine hydrochloride
908.19 grams of MKP
This is about as close as I can get to Mad Farmer's brand using the same ingredients that they use. Total cost is 2.72/kg of fert
I usually hit them at around week 7 (10 week strain) and run it for a week.
Works great.
My base nutes are Canna Coco knock-off @ 5-4-3 In bloom I spike the PK the first week which seems to help them trigger to bud quickly.
Then I bump both my P and K with a Knock-off of Hammerhead 9/18
Followed with a shot of MOAB at week 7
I do find though that the SSH is far more sensitive to nutes in general but seems especially to not like much of a change in P and K.
Last I am running this strain so I won't bother experimenting too much with her.
desertsquirrel
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Rather then use a chart for my boosters i like to use them as i see the plant calling for them... in general that is the start of week 2, start of 4 and start of 6, however in each case plant specific behavior is the key.
So for the week 2 boost i would wait till buds are clearly forming, week 4, that they are clearly bulking, and week 6 clearly starting to shine. Waiting on plant specific behavior to indicate nutritional need is more beneficial then to provide it based on calendar schedule.
That being said i try and boost an elemental p of 45-60 to around 75 for 4 days total (on each boost).
I like your ratios, most people arnt using enough N imo. Mind posting your mix and we will see what kind elemental p your working with?
i like the moab mix your making too but imo there are better boosters out there, have you made any others?
So for the week 2 boost i would wait till buds are clearly forming, week 4, that they are clearly bulking, and week 6 clearly starting to shine. Waiting on plant specific behavior to indicate nutritional need is more beneficial then to provide it based on calendar schedule.
That being said i try and boost an elemental p of 45-60 to around 75 for 4 days total (on each boost).
I like your ratios, most people arnt using enough N imo. Mind posting your mix and we will see what kind elemental p your working with?
i like the moab mix your making too but imo there are better boosters out there, have you made any others?
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I'm getting ready to order up some chemicals to make my fertilizer but see that hydrobuddy is recommending boric acid. in my notes i wrote boric acid/solubor. a search of boric acid said it can kill plants... am i missing something?
desertsquirrel
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Boric acid is highly toxic in large dosage. Its even used as a herbicide.
Boron is also an essential micro nutrient and necessary in small dosage. you can refer back to my tissue ppm pics to see how much is necessary.
Boron is also an essential micro nutrient and necessary in small dosage. you can refer back to my tissue ppm pics to see how much is necessary.
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I ended up ordering the boric acid. it was relatively cheap and the specs were already in hydrobuddy versus the solubor.
I should be mixing up my first batch of nutrients sometime next week!
I should be mixing up my first batch of nutrients sometime next week!
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organicfreak
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diy insecticide ants spider ect..
Ingredients:
1 Tablespoon of Boric Acid, 1 tsp of Sugar, 4 oz water, Cotton Balls.
Mix Boric Acid and Sugar in a bowl. This can be poured over a cotton wad in a small dish or bottle cap. Keep this from drying out for continued effectiveness. Place Cotton balls in path of Ants.
also read somewhere lady would mix this into a empty ketchup bottle lol not heinz but the kind you get to fill ketchup in.. She would sqeeze this soution on the premiter of her house I believe inside and out...
bugs like the sugar and get poisend when the eat... pretty quick & easy..
plus I bought 5lbs of boric acid and only us few grams each time I mix my own nutes,so this will be a lifetime supply might as well make a free pesticide..
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Ingredients:
1 Tablespoon of Boric Acid, 1 tsp of Sugar, 4 oz water, Cotton Balls.
Mix Boric Acid and Sugar in a bowl. This can be poured over a cotton wad in a small dish or bottle cap. Keep this from drying out for continued effectiveness. Place Cotton balls in path of Ants.
also read somewhere lady would mix this into a empty ketchup bottle lol not heinz but the kind you get to fill ketchup in.. She would sqeeze this soution on the premiter of her house I believe inside and out...
bugs like the sugar and get poisend when the eat... pretty quick & easy..
plus I bought 5lbs of boric acid and only us few grams each time I mix my own nutes,so this will be a lifetime supply might as well make a free pesticide..
o
Puffntuff
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hey im doing an aeroponic drain to waste. what formula should i use? i was thinking 3-1-2 for veg and 2-2-3 for bloom. could you all make me a recipe i can give to cropking to fill. thanks alot
squarepusher
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veg sounds OK, might wanna do like 2-1-3 for bloom with d2w aero
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organicfreak
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uh oh looks like i found out whats in snow storm...
Ooze Bloom: uses cutting edge technology developed through extensive research and development. Based upon commercial
essential oil technology, advanced through research, Agricultural Organics have been able to stimulate the
terpenoid production through natural bio stimulants. They combine this with their proprietary combination of triacontanol,
rare earth minerals, fulvic acid, vitamins and amino acids. Ooze Bloom stimulates these secondary metabolites
which aid in the synthesis of oil, sugar and resin production in fruits and flowers.
oh shit he has 1 more to find (GRAVITY)tick tock hahaha fucking nute companies pieces of shit....
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Ooze Bloom: uses cutting edge technology developed through extensive research and development. Based upon commercial
essential oil technology, advanced through research, Agricultural Organics have been able to stimulate the
terpenoid production through natural bio stimulants. They combine this with their proprietary combination of triacontanol,
rare earth minerals, fulvic acid, vitamins and amino acids. Ooze Bloom stimulates these secondary metabolites
which aid in the synthesis of oil, sugar and resin production in fruits and flowers.
oh shit he has 1 more to find (GRAVITY)tick tock hahaha fucking nute companies pieces of shit....
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