Botanicare 3-1-2(more a something-1-2.9 I think) is supposed to be for soil/coco.I'm running plants in soil with GH MaxiGro 10-5-14 and GH liquid Koolbloom 0-10-10. I figured out the ppms with cannastats (thanks to Cap) with 5 grams/G of Maxi and 2 ml/G Koolbloom to be 132-57-206 NPK with Ca-Mg at 79-26. I know Ca and Mg seem low but I"m gonna get CaliMagic soon.
The reason I'm posting this info is because I think this is a decent formula based on what I see alot of pros doing on here and that is as close as I can get to a 3-1-4 formula with only MaxiGro and Koolbloom. Basically I wanna know if this would work good in soil because I know most people that run the 3-1-4 ratio are in rockwool or coco. So is anyone running a similar nute ratio in soil??
Botanicare 3-1-2(more a something-1-2.9 I think) is supposed to be for soil/coco.
They list exact ppms on their website somewhere I think.
No micros in that.
That info may even be in my 3-1-2 thread somewhere.
I think it was Integral Hydroponics, not 100% sure.Question Dank, what was that website you mentioned earlier on this thread that you said you learned alot about growing in coco?? I forgot the name.
I think it was Integral Hydroponics, not 100% sure.
Nope I boosted it higher I think.when you're doing the MOAB/HH at the end, are you still keeping your total K at 300?
Nope I boosted it higher I think.
No longer will do that. Will bump P and K to JK's recommendations or thereabouts. No more HH/MOAB at the end.
Thinking should bump k from 300 regularly to 350 or soP to 90 and K to?
i've been running my P at 90 and the girls seems to love it, might even want a tad bit more...
basically, although higher levels of Phosphates can contribute to slowed Fungi growth, the plant itself needs a fair amount of Phosphorus for full development. Fungi and the plant will compete for phosphate resources and 30ppm doesn't allow for the plant to get enough, imo, and after talking to a botanist friend of mine in a different field of study...
whoa whoa whoa....Thinking should bump k from 300 regularly to 350 or so
Thanks, I'll find out there exact numbers and punch it in the nute calc.
Does anyone know where Ca and Mg should be in relation to a 3-1-2 formula in soil with NO amendments?? I was thinking 2:1 N:Ca and 2:1 Ca:Mg.
whoa whoa whoa....
300-350ppm of K?
177ppm S?
Dude you gotta dump that potassium sulfate.
Big props for doing your own formulations. makes growing so much easier.
Cannabis can handle a huge amount of K and S without showing signs of phytotoxicity but that doesn't mean that you should overdo it so much. You're essentially throwing nutes down the drain, causing a salinity buildup in your medium, leading to osmotic stress and decreased transpiration, therefore decreasing Ca, B, and Si uptake (which is dependent on rate of transpiration). Aside from the increased salinity, excess K decreases Mg and B availability, and excess S decreases Ca availability.
I understand a bit of healthy skepticism. But to make you more of a believer id check out some of "Yosemite Sam"s grows here and at ICM. He grows monster cannabis trees with really nice yields and he does it with ~120ppm K and ~60ppm S, although he is running that in coco which provides a good amount of K. I personally use K up to 200-220ppm, but that is only during the heaviest periods of nutrient requirement and is only for a few fertigations.
Here's an example of one of my heavy feeds, i only ever increase P higher than this during the 2nd half of bloom, since there is some evidence that higher P levels increase THC content, but i never go above ~85ppm P. My Mg and S are only that high to get my N higher, usually i try to keep Mg around 45ppm and S around 60ppm
My waters got ~29ppm Ca and ~11ppm of each S and Mg so those are included in the results
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Other than that, thats as hot as my feeds get. Usually when i dont feed so heavy my formulations fall close to Hoaglands, except i cut the N and Ca to 40-70% and use 10X the Zn, Cu and Mo since they are not as significant a contaminant in salts as they were when Hoagland & Arnon decided on their solution, and most Cu Zn and Mo requirements used to be provided as contaminants.
Hoagland's Solution:
N 210 ppm
P 31 ppm
K 235 ppm
Ca 200 ppm
Mg 48 ppm
S 64 ppm
Fe 1 to 5 ppm
Mn 0.5 ppm
Zn 0.05 ppm
Cu 0.02 ppm
B 0.5 ppm
Mo 0.01 ppm
BTW the Hoaglands solution was made for heavier feeders than cannabis like squash, melons, peppers and tomatoes, and it only uses a fraction of the K and S that you're using. Also if you want to lessen the internodal elongation (stretch) that happens during the first 3 weeks of bloom, try keeping your P in the 25-35ppm range during the stretch, as high P levels increase internodal elongation. Remember Hoaglands is only 30ppm and is for heavier feeders.
Hope that helps,
dizzle
I lower my CalciNit applications in late flower since it will give some strains what i call "The curse of eternally white stigmas", and the plant will never look fully mature. Im fairly positive this is due to the excess Ca instead of N though, since i've found lots of scientific lit on Ca delaying maturation/senescence and most scientific lit i find on N talks about N DEFICIENCY causing a delay in maturation, have found nothing on excess causing it.Great info. Do you drop a little N in later in flower or keep it at that all the way through?
1:1 N:Ca
2:1 Ca:Mg
I like to run around 150ppm Ca if possible.
Fatman states a 3-1-2 ratio is best in veg through end of stretch... followed by a 2-1-2 in flower. I may try this formula next round to see how it does.
1:1 N:Ca
2:1 Ca:Mg
I like to run around 150ppm Ca if possible.
Fatman states a 3-1-2 ratio is best in veg through end of stretch... followed by a 2-1-2 in flower. I may try this formula next round to see how it does.
1:1.2 N:Ca coco/chow
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