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Chlorine? please elaborate.
I'll say this though how pure are the minerals making up this mix......cause if p is an issue calculate the chlorine released from all the salts....it might already be detrimental.......
I'm only a biology major...however certain types of P are detrimental becaae of chlorine released during composition at certain ppms levels. What I'm sayiing is a lot of salts release chlorine during composition so why not address it in their bottomline.
This is true.Jk wasn't god ya know......
Cannibalistic humanoid underground bubble bucket? WTF?Wait until you see my new idea.
I call it C.H.U.B.B
I will be converting next round.
food for thought:
fatman dilutes his recipe to 1:100 ratio for injection DTW> so I am pretty sure you can get away with it.
Wait until you see my new idea.
I call it C.H.U.B.B
I will be converting next round.
food for thought:
fatman dilutes his recipe to 1:100 ratio for injection DTW> so I am pretty sure you can get away with it.
Cap, your remarks remind me of a fucked up movie I could not watch.Here is a little something to put in to all of your notes:
@DW: pay special attention to page 28, where this paper addresses the proper Fe:Mn ratio.
I am feeling that DTW is ultimately the best way to grow plants. I believe you can go to extremely low PPMs by using this method, coupled with an inert media like rockwool, glass beads, perlite, etc. . The answer is in this paper if you pay special attention to "soil solution", meaning the water flowing aroudn the roots containing ions that have been released via micro organisms, reactions with the soil, etc.
Hydroponics: plants sitting in nute solution (aka the equivalent of soil solution) with all of the necessary ions readily available (we hope).
In any recirculating system, the plants will remove ions from the solution, which will create imbalance. A hobby grower by no means has the equipment to monitor ions in their water. Therefore, it is a guessing game, and most of the time one will see a toxicity or deficiency somewhere in the lifespan of the crop.
By incorporating a drain to waste system, the plant has access to the same solution content at every watering. Whatever the plant does not grab, goes down the drain. It is the difference between eating, shitting, and eating your own shit again, and having a new, freshly prepared meal. You will not be getting the same nutrients, because you already processed it the first time around.
Note this paper on page 20 when referring to the amount of P in soil solution:
"Concentrations in soil solution range from less than 0.1 to around 5 ppm".
What I gather from this is that a constant supply of 5 ppm of P on a slow drip should be more than adequate.
Anyway. you all should chew on this for a while. Have a good night.
-CAp
How would you change the ratio I copied from JK, and for what reasons? What medium would it be for?Jk wasn't god ya know......
Yosemite Sam's values)
CaNO3
KNO3
MKP
MgSO4
Metolasate amino complexed K
a micro mix
exact mix depends on where the plants are in their life cycle
peak mix is, in ppms
125-90-300-150-50 N-P-K-Ca-Mg
avg might be 100-50-200-100-50
(edit-this corresponds closely w/JK's values I have been copying)
I can't remember exactly how I got there, but this was in --mag, maybe from 09?Not to beat a dead horse but what is the source for the above? Because as I posted previously his YS's latest elemental ratio's are: N-P-K-Ca-Mg at 100-75-75-110-40
Am I missing something? Is that 125-90-300-150-50 from an older formula he used?
Or is that from when he is tweaking it in the latter half of flower?
i am also of the mind to drop the p down. and im sure stucture might be a bit different but i really dont think any negative effects will be seen. imvhoGoddamn you are a scholar and a gentleman Cap. Thanks for doing the work to find that. I will have to read further, but it sounds initially like it corroborates many of my beliefs.
You think we can really get away with such low P proportionally?
I bet we could drop it a bunch.
I am curious about what that would do to flower structure and density.
Got me thinking.
Now I have to read that whole thing, huh.
My hater buckets will take the fuck over. It's just a matter of time.
Reliability and performance,
at the same time.
http://t3.invalid.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEj0mFB6akDA9pfruGlXIzq7mlXOXQbBMn7X4uEOhliKUri2M6
Not to beat a dead horse but what is the source for the above? Because as I posted previously his YS's latest elemental ratio's are: N-P-K-Ca-Mg at 100-75-75-110-40
Am I missing something? Is that 125-90-300-150-50 from an older formula he used?
Or is that from when he is tweaking it in the latter half of flower?
no like cap yeilds are as good or better for everyone i know doing lower PI was wondering the guys running low P. Are you hitting the same yields or better running low P throughout flowering. Or do you feel the need to add a bloom booster. Im kind of stuck between the two.
Looking on the label of a P flower booster formula I have laying around, it says 'P is good for roots, flowers, yield and vitamin content.'no like cap yeilds are as good or better for everyone i know doing lower P
Someone was kind enough to point out in a pm to me last night that they used P primarily for root development. I had read that before, but had never really delved too deeply into that. Needless to say have not varied P levels and checked roots for response.Thats why I like the idea of a 12 hour drip (lights on drip) with low ppms. Match the peak soil solution and feed that fresh all the time. My assumption is you would never see any toxicities or deficiencies. The plant would take what it needs, and if you provided the right ratios, you could somewhat control that and tailor to veg state, flower, and ripening.
For sure, it wants way more Ca than P.Looking on the label of a P flower booster formula I have laying around, it says 'P is good for roots, flowers, yield and vitamin content.'
I just wonder how much a plant really needs. It seems to want more calcium than P.
Those values look close to JK's proposed values. JK started off with 120-60-280-120-60 I think he said (for his recirc), then bumped P in wk 2(or 3) to further trigger flowering, and bumped P to 90 late flower, and K to 320 maybe(if I recall correctly) also in late flowering. And YS's Ca values being a little higher than his N values are something I would have been inclined to try.Not to beat a dead horse but what is the source for the above? Because as I posted previously his YS's latest elemental ratio's are: N-P-K-Ca-Mg at 100-75-75-110-40
Am I missing something? Is that 125-90-300-150-50 from an older formula he used?
Or is that from when he is tweaking it in the latter half of flower?
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