20 light, 25 plant, Screen of Green

[hogan400]

great work bcf, super fukin clean!

 

[SmokinDogCujo]

Dammmmmnnnnnnn.......in my Chris Rock voice! LOL

Your grow room is super tight! I just love the troughs on wheels with the fabric liner! Never seen it done like that before! That shit is tricked out!

I'm definitely following this to the end! Great room!


Grow Safe

SDC

 

[phup]

Nice room you've put together there BCfarmer; nice to see others blowing it up here north of the border. 1 question, 2 comments:

Question: Are you able to maintain RH levels in the 60's with the addition of your in-duct humdifier? What is your RH without using it? We run 3 x 5 ton AC and have to use a very large commercial humidification system. I would much prefer to run a set it and forget it in duct humidifier, but I did not think they would work with an A/C (only with heating ducts.)

Comments: 1. If you are doing a scrog with those 25 plants I would recommend topping them early. They appeared fairly tall and narrow when I saw a pic from a few weeks back.

2. For an 5 ton A/C to run properly you need to use 16" ducting for the supply and 18" or larger for the return, 14" is still going to cause you problems

 

[BC farmer]

Nice room you've put together there BCfarmer; nice to see others blowing it up here north of the border. 1 question, 2 comments:

Question: Are you able to maintain RH levels in the 60's with the addition of your in-duct humdifier? What is your RH without using it? We run 3 x 5 ton AC and have to use a very large commercial humidification system. I would much prefer to run a set it and forget it in duct humidifier, but I did not think they would work with an A/C (only with heating ducts.)

Comments: 1. If you are doing a scrog with those 25 plants I would recommend topping them early. They appeared fairly tall and narrow when I saw a pic from a few weeks back.

2. For an 5 ton A/C to run properly you need to use 16" ducting for the supply and 18" or larger for the return, 14" is still going to cause you problems

Thank you all again for the great feedback and kind words. Nice to feel part of a community.
Bumped the Co2 up to 1200, plants are doing well. Updated pics next week.

Phup: Humidity has been between 64 and 70 with the built in. We have yet to do a try without using it, good point and will get back to you on that.

As far as the plants, we topped them four days ago and the lateral growth now is catching up to the tops. I will take some pics after the weekend to show the progress.
As far as ducting,I like your 16/18 '' suggestion.
We are altering the ducting (unfortunately) next week and are planning to remove the 90 degree elbows on the outside of the 6" arms, so it will blow directly at the walls. Then we are turning the 12" main around and have the three holes blow to the ceiling. More outs will be added on the side of the 12". In addition we were thinking adding another six inch in the plenum and directed at our ballasts (they are running hot and we had no choice for mounting them elsewhere here). Sure hope this will do the job. We are in the interior and had 20 degrees celcius temps outside here!
If that fails keeping our temps down we will go with plan B which would be more invasive.
The guys we bought this unit from suggested a straight 14'' piece duct for optimizing the unit (ExcelAir)
Curious as to your thoughts on this as.
Thanks

 

[caregiverken]

Really Nice Room BC!
Great work...I can't wait to see it full of plants!

 

[HumboldtDr]

I love this thread

 

[persiankid]

Truly a piece of art you fella's have created here... Talk about PASSION for what you do!! I just remembered reading about you wanting to put a hammock in there.. best idea ever! I'd be in there taking BT's in my hammock admiring all of the beautiful ladies :)

A few questions for you guys..I like the fabric you went with a lot and i'm curious as to where you sourced it from? Also, while i was reading through your thread I was looking to see what your plan was for watering? All hand watering? Or are you going to implement some sort of automated system in the future? Perpetual or no?

I'm currently in the planning stages of a project and i'm planning to doing something very similar to your set up. I was planning on doing 4x8 beds like JackMayOffer's beds ( only w/wheels like your's) but these troughs have me re-thinking now... The plan is to be perpetual... I was going to build the beds and have them basically be plug and play as far as irrigation and drainage is concerned from the veg room to the bloom room if that makes sense.. basically plant them from cuttings into their beds in the veg room with an irrigation and drain/run-off collection system connected...veg them out for X amount of days and then when it's time for them to be flipped just simply remove the dripper lines from the irrigation system and roll them over to the bloom room park the bed so it drains into your run-off collection, and connect the awaiting drip lines and your'e good to go!

Anyways... sorry for rambling it's late im ripped and stumbled on this thread and got all kinds of excited to see like minds creating awesome rooms! Sub'd and looking forward to the show!:D

 

[BC farmer]

Time for an update:D
RH is down to 50% so we are working on getting this fixed. Room temps are 84 and working to get it down.
I have been spraying the floor to try to keep it there.
Screens are being build by my trusty partner as we speak and will be mounted in the next couple days. Ladies are filling in nicely all in all. Today they got pinched/topped again to achieve an even canopy.

Aplied a foliar feed with Liquid Light two days ago and am wondering if the funky leaf curl has anything to do with this? Our fellow community member Dankworth had mentioned he had seen a similar reaction on his plants after his application, wondering if this is the same. They all have one or two curled leafs but the one in the pic underneath is the most obvious. As a preventative lowered the Co2 to 1000 and raised the lights a bit to assist.

Here is the Funky leaf curl well shown. Heat stress, drop in RH or foliar??

MH only now, removed all the HPS. Wings are in their "spring" setting as per manufaturers recommendation.

 

[hort-hog]

Truly a piece of art you fella's have created here... Talk about PASSION for what you do!! I just remembered reading about you wanting to put a hammock in there.. best idea ever! I'd be in there taking BT's in my hammock admiring all of the beautiful ladies :)

A few questions for you guys..I like the fabric you went with a lot and i'm curious as to where you sourced it from? Also, while i was reading through your thread I was looking to see what your plan was for watering? All hand watering? Or are you going to implement some sort of automated system in the future? Perpetual or no?

I'm currently in the planning stages of a project and i'm planning to doing something very similar to your set up. I was planning on doing 4x8 beds like JackMayOffer's beds ( only w/wheels like your's) but these troughs have me re-thinking now... The plan is to be perpetual... I was going to build the beds and have them basically be plug and play as far as irrigation and drainage is concerned from the veg room to the bloom room if that makes sense.. basically plant them from cuttings into their beds in the veg room with an irrigation and drain/run-off collection system connected...veg them out for X amount of days and then when it's time for them to be flipped just simply remove the dripper lines from the irrigation system and roll them over to the bloom room park the bed so it drains into your run-off collection, and connect the awaiting drip lines and your'e good to go!

Anyways... sorry for rambling it's late im ripped and stumbled on this thread and got all kinds of excited to see like minds creating awesome rooms! Sub'd and looking forward to the show!:D

What we've used is medium/heavy-duty "filter cloth" fabric used in landscaping. Available at any commercial landscape supply. A 6' roll is easiest to work with. Don't go for the light duty shit as it will stretch and also let light through (IMO). So far the results have been excellent but I can't advocate any of it, as it's all just experimental-mad-scientist-shit at this point.

In regards to perpetual: I like your thinking! Maybe build more of smaller beds. These things are VERY heavy (and awkward (ours are designed to go back and forth only)) and you wouldn't want to have to maneuver them. Swivel casters suck unless you buck up for high end ones and even then, you'd better be on concrete.

If you do decide to go this way, may I suggest making allowances for some fabric stretch as well as protective plastic for the wood frame where it contacts the wood. If you keep the media low enough you won't need to protect the wood from moisture. Height comes at a premium ie. the lower the medium the more the ladies will have to grow to reach the screen.We decided to give up some height in trade for ease of gardening and ergonomics.

A detail shot:

Oh ya. Forgot to mention. The filter fabric needs to be the "NON-WOVEN" type.

 

[hort-hog]

On the subject of the humidifier: The design I chose to use is for a heating system, not cooling. I figured it couldn't hurt though and for the price we paid for it, we can use the parts to modify it so it does work.

I'm thinking we can install misters operated by the humidistat and solenoid to moisten the element rather than the drippers. And if that doesn't work I'm thinking misters mounted around the room like a greenhouse will do the trick. Anybody ever used these? Like the ones that spray your arm when you reach for the produce?

 

[ttystikk]

On the subject of the humidifier: The design I chose to use is for a heating system, not cooling. I figured it couldn't hurt though and for the price we paid for it, we can use the parts to modify it so it does work.

I'm thinking we can install misters operated by the humidistat and solenoid to moisten the element rather than the drippers. And if that doesn't work I'm thinking misters mounted around the room like a greenhouse will do the trick. Anybody ever used these? Like the ones that spray your arm when you reach for the produce?

Yeah, I sure have used misters, in a cigar warehouse in Florida, where we were trying to keep the humidity up to protect the merchandise from the AC system's drying effects. I got some serious advice if you consider going this route; use RO or distilled water ONLY, as we got calcium deposits all over everything; computers, the floor, shelving, the walls and of course the product. Had to wipe it off everything before we could ship. Clearly, that's a lot easier with cellophane wrappers than it is with dank buds, so beware...

Option B is to use swamp coolers set up in the room. These don't require distilled water, since the water fully evaporates before it leaves the unit. They double as fans and don't need any venting to the outside to do their work. They are very effective, especially if your room is sealed.

Over time, as your crop grows and starts transpiring more water, your plants themselves will become your best humidifier, at which point you may not need to add more. Thus, any system you install will need to be on a humidistat to compensate.

 

[hort-hog]

Thanks ttystikk! The system is already running on UV/RO water because I didn't want any deposits or unwanted bacterial/fungal growth on the humidifier element (or filter if you prefer).

We could definately try swamp coolers though. I don't like the idea of there being more equipment than need be, and especially don't want to be a slave to refilling it constantly. But these things can be overcome. If misters work, they would be the cheapest option. They're very inexpensive.

Yes! I can't wait until they are transpiring enough to provide their own humidity. At the rate they're growing I think that should be soon!

 

[hort-hog]

Can I pick some brains, please?

I need to order some kind of humidification system ASAP, but can't decide on the details.

I'm leaning toward a 1000PSI misting system with 4-6 misting heads.

The problem is, all the mfrs sell their products with very little info.

What I would like to know is:
What size pump (GPM/PSI), how many nozzles, what size orifice, where to mount them, or any other useful suggestions...

Roughly 5,500cu.ft. room. (3,300cu.ft. of that is garden.)

 

[Nobodynobody]

I would master mind some kind of water return system. Or a way not to be using the bucket after watering. It gives me some ideas with the plastic that you bent in a V. I am thinking of building gutter trays for top drip out of pool liner. Use a bulk head for the drain (making a hole in it)

Keep the good work up. Things are looking great, simple and clean.

 

[fasteddy0]

Dont know if this will cover what you need so if not just get multiples. The convienent thing about this is that it hooks up directly to your water supply. You are just going to need a humidistat to control it.

http://hydrofogger.com/inc/sdetail/30/35

Sunlight also has a very similar version to their smaller model.

Can I pick some brains, please?

I need to order some kind of humidification system ASAP, but can't decide on the details.

I'm leaning toward a 1000PSI misting system with 4-6 misting heads.

The problem is, all the mfrs sell their products with very little info.

What I would like to know is:
What size pump (GPM/PSI), how many nozzles, what size orifice, where to mount them, or any other useful suggestions...

Roughly 5,500cu.ft. room. (3,300cu.ft. of that is garden.)

 

[forknowledge]

Thats a beautiful & clean grow you have there.
May I ask how long is the cable from the ballast to reflector, & do you find any loss of intensity the long the cable?
Sorry for the meticulous question, Ive always wanted to know.

 

[BC farmer]

Update time.
We had to take out our ducting entirely to make sure it was not the ducting that wasn't able to keep the AC up.
Excel sended us a new line and gauges to replenish the gas which from what it looks like wasn't properly filled in the first place. Ducting back on , this time without the arms.
Humidity is being worked on and hope to have a consistent/acceptable 60%/70% RH before tomorrow night.
Screens are on and the training begins:)

Ducting fully removed, aaaarrrrgggggg...

These are the 6" arms

We put back the 12 " reducer, plants are loving their new homes.
Hydro fuel beds so far have the least amount of roots poking through the fabric, some root porn soon!

 

[BC farmer]

The AWings are now on their summer setting and we added HPS bulbs today.

Screens are on , 12" main duct is on without the arms. Wetting down the concrete walls to keep the RH
in our range.

This is one of our little chairs that we use to roll underneath the canopy. It allows us to sit straight up.

 

[BC farmer]

AC repair

A few roots poking through the fabric

 

[SweetTooth]

excellent! I sure hope that these a-wing guys are right about there layout they planned for you bro. Do you have a light meter you can play with? How much longer are you and hort going to veg?