3 Strains , 1 Tent, Scrog , Hp Aero , 600 9 Band Led & Mini Dwc

[No Pain]

Here is a brief look at the bucket system I put together . I still have a little leveling to do. Lol

 

[PhatNuggz]

I would only use one, maybe 2 misters per bucket. The number of misters will be a factor in on time.

Dialing in the o/o time is critical!

Also, as the root mass matures (it should pretty much fill each bucket), you will want to make sure all sides are getting evenly spritzed

To keep root hairs happy, less on time (~ 2 seconds, or less) means roots will not get overly wet, which stymies root hairs, which thrive in a barely moist environment

Depending on your RH inside the buckets, 1- 3 seconds (24/7), at most, on time.

hth

fyi I have a bunch of misters, tubing and 2 8800 pumps Im no longer using. Let me now if interested

 

[No Pain]

I would only use one, maybe 2 misters per bucket. The number of misters will be a factor in on time.

Dialing in the o/o time is critical!

Also, as the root mass matures (it should pretty much fill each bucket), you will want to make sure all sides are getting evenly spritzed

To keep root hairs happy, less on time (~ 2 seconds, or less) means roots will not get overly wet, which stymies root hairs, which thrive in a barely moist environment

Depending on your RH inside the buckets, 1- 3 seconds (24/7), at most, on time.

hth

fyi I have a bunch of misters, tubing and 2 8800 pumps Im no longer using. Let me now if interested

Yes, one of the reasons I switched to 5gallon buckets was for the root system. The other was better manageability . I put two misters in each lid , I'm still playing with cycle times and ppm levels. Right now they seem to respond better with a longer on time. The mist is super fine, my line pressure is 140lbs .

As far as the pumps and misters. I might be interested at a later date . As of right now I also have two 8800 pumps and about 30 misters.
Why don't you put them to use? Even if you have issues in your area that prevents you from having those fluffy cotton candy roots .. You could still run it with the misters and it would be more efficient than any other system imho .

Edited... Spelling errors. Lol

 

[PhatNuggz]

Ease of use is why. My DIY Mini-Me F & D is based on hpa lessons learned

 

[No Pain]

Ease of use is why. My DIY Mini-Me F & D is based on hpa lessons learned

Gotcha , just figured I would ask.

 

[chronic68]

Ease of use is why. My DIY Mini-Me F & D is based on hpa lessons learned

Killer cola

 

[PhatNuggz]

I forgot to mention the misters I switched to after using the same ones you are had filter screens. Even with the DMFit filter between rez and mister manifold, the mini filters were getting clogged. That meant I had to constantly check inside the tote. That part I enjoyed, but then the lid needs to be lifted so I could remove the clogged mist heads: that was a PITA

To this day, the prettiest root-masses.

It is true that nutrient uptake is the most bioavailable, when it is provided on a micro scale, BUT, just how important is it compared to F & D, but I have a very unique method

Drop by my Hail Hydro thread if interested

What I found, using my DIY Mini-Me F & D, is lots of tiny root structures, that look a lot like the HPA root branches that the root-hairs attach to. I figured that would be close enough, and it really has been.

I wouldn't have figured this out without having grown via HPA. would love to see you do a side-by-side

 

[PhatNuggz]

Sigh, I just edited (but not saved) the above to make it flow and tie in better, but I took a call, and it timed out

I'm too stoned to do it again

But I think you can connect the dots pretty well

 

[No Pain]

I forgot to mention the misters I switched to after using the same ones you are had filter screens. Even with the DMFit filter between rez and mister manifold, the mini filters were getting clogged. That meant I had to constantly check inside the tote. That part I enjoyed, but then the lid needs to be lifted so I could remove the clogged mist heads: that was a PITA

To this day, the prettiest root-masses.

It is true that nutrient uptake is the most bioavailable, when it is provided on a micro scale, BUT, just how important is it compared to F & D, but I have a very unique method

Drop by my Hail Hydro thread if interested

What I found, using my DIY Mini-Me F & D, is lots of tiny root structures, that look a lot like the HPA root branches that the root-hairs attach to. I figured that would be close enough, and it really has been.

I wouldn't have figured this out without having grown via HPA. would love to see you do a side-by-side

I hunter high and low for misters and found some really good ones . I have seen the ones with the screen and even thought about them for a sec before I found these. In my design I planned to have to switch out misters at some point and time and that's why I put them in the top of my design's along with the thought of having them spray downward and kicking mist back up instead of from the side and water logging roots and giving me the ability for longer spray times without fast buildup of the micron size of the water droplet , that is also why I opted for 1" drains to take care of any run off build up and to lessen the chance of it clogging when the root mass fills the bucket or tote . I also feel that at a line pressure of 140 psi that the mist heads will have a lower tendancy of clogging .
I will definitely stop by and check out your grow . Thank you for your input and opinion.

 

[No Pain]

Here we are at day twelve in the HP Areo system .. I have increased ppm to 840 .. I had it at 767 and within 24hr they took it down quite a bit along with a gallon on of solution ... Room temp stable 78 degrees with two 600w led's now. ..don't know the res temp and I need to check it out but I have my a/c unit blowing on it and the plants themselves are very cool to the touch..

These ladies will be bushes atleast two of them .. The side branches have grown up and are almost even with then growing shoot. I don't think I will need/ be topping them ... The one on the left is about 9 inches tall and on the 10th NODE!!! Yes I'm excited .
Here are some pics so you can be the judge .

 

[PhatNuggz]

When you feed via hpa between the bio-availability and the feeding frequency, you don't need more than 5--600 ppm

Also, as I recall, max recommended pressure is ~ 80-100

 

[No Pain]

When you feed via hpa between the bio-availability and the feeding frequency, you don't need more than 5--600 ppm

Also, as I recall, max recommended pressure is ~ 80-100

Yes I have read that also. I believe that was just in general and a guide as there are not to many writings about cannabis in Hpa systems and nutrient requirements . Cannabis is a very fast growing plant and I am tweaking this as to the plants and how they respond . I started out at 400 ppm. So far it's with a higher ppm level and longer feeding times ( misting cycles) now that could be to any number of reason , 1 that I only have a very strong fish bone structure root system that is established and not one that looks like cotton candy .

 

[PhatNuggz]

Yes I have read that also. I believe that was just in general and a guide as there are not to many writings about cannabis in Hpa systems and nutrient requirements . Cannabis is a very fast growing plant and I am tweaking this as to the plants and how they respond . I started out at 400 ppm. So far it's with a higher ppm level and longer feeding times ( misting cycles) now that could be to any number of reason , 1 that I only have a very strong fish bone structure root system that is established and not one that looks like cotton candy .

Fish bones without root hairs is a sure sign you're watering too long

Max I would use is 3 seconds on, 3 minutes off. Try it

 

[No Pain]

Fish bones without root hairs is a sure sign you're watering too long

Max I would use is 3 seconds on, 3 minutes off. Try it

I haven't looked to close at the fish bone structure , I can tell you that it is prominent though.

I understand that as True hpa roots look fluffy / fuzzy almost white like mold . What I can say is I have had the misting times dialed down and based solely on performance of the plants the mist time has increased . Now another factor could be that they didn't start out in this type of system that encouraged that type of root growth from the beginning ( im thinking its a little late in the game at this point)Am I going to stop trying to get those style roots, no . But I'm not going to dial down / retard the current growth rate when it's visually telling me to keep the increased misting time .

See when I first started this project I was also locked in on 1-3 sec mist times with 3-5 min off times . I was even looking at getting a accumulator tank and solenoid so I could do sub sec bursts , I already have the timer to do that .

The main reason I focus on the plants response to mist times, ppm level etc .. Is because when you look at when NASA was researching Hpa ... They where not growing a rapid growth plant like cannabis , so some things will be different imho . As of right now these plants are out performing my aeroflo 20 which I have grown ( full size cannabis plants) in for over 10 years . It is also using less nutrient solution than the aero flow . So from my point of view I'm still winning The war of efficiency but loosing the battle of optimal fluffy fuzzy roots and for right this sec . I'm okay with that.

 

[PhatNuggz]

If you're not focused on root hairs, there's no reason to use hpa

Search for HPA/high pressure aeroponic. There was a huge thread on International Cannagraphic that I followed and got lots of help from

Good luck

 

[No Pain]

If you're not focused on root hairs, there's no reason to use hpa

Search for HPA/high pressure aeroponic. There was a huge thread on International Cannagraphic that I followed and got lots of help from

Good luck

Don't get me wrong , I am focused on root hairs and plant performance , the two are tied together . I am just not sure I will achieve them this time around for the time frame that I am dealing with. But imho I don't think the statement " if your not focused on root hairs there is no sense in hpa" fits . As I stated this hpa system as it stands right now out performs an aeroflo across the board , from versatility to plant growth with a similar investment . To me that would be like saying if your not focused on overall yeild in an ebb flow system why not just use the kratky method.

I will definitely be looking for and reading that article . Thank you for the info. Your opinion and info is always welcome here. It's how we all learn and improve our methods .

 

[No Pain]

Revamped the system to make it as Versatel as any other bucket system. Babies are doing well , still trying to find the happy medium bettween blueberry and the others in regards to nutes and ph . Well here they are in their third home ( third times a charm) , along with some root porn I apologize for the red in advance .

 

[chronic68]

Revamped the system to make it as Versatel as any other bucket system. Babies are doing well , still trying to find the happy medium bettween blueberry and the others in regards to nutes and ph . Well here they are in their third home ( third times a charm) , along with some root porn I apologize for the red in advance .
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Are you gonna top or train em at all or are you going natrual

 

[No Pain]

Are you gonna top or train em at all or are you going natrual

I'm am going to SCROG. I was originally going to top them before 12/12 but the growth is so compact on the Gc & Ww that I have decided against it. I feel that one tent will definitely be a challenge with all 4 so I may get another tent to move the Bb into .

What are your thoughts @chronic68

 

[chronic68]

I'm am going to SCROG. I was originally going to top them before 12/12 but the growth is so compact on the Gc & Ww that I have decided against it. I feel that one tent will definitely be a challenge with all 4 so I may get another tent to move the Bb into .

What are your thoughts @chronic68

Im planning on doing a scrog next grow so I've been doing research with that small space I think it's cool not to top but as far as them being too big or too small I have no idea how big there gonna get lt. If you do move the bb to its own tent I would top it and super crop