357 Magnum LED Grow

[Burned Haze]

THC farmer has a ad for them, googed it and not much. The FAQ and info seems very legit and company is amazingly honest for results it seems. Want to see others responses?

I wanna start a Fogoponics system and maybe use some of these

 

[surfguy1936]

ya i was wondering the same..and how many watts is it....357?

 

[Spuzzum]

Their website says 357 watts, using Bridgelux instead of Cree's. And from what I gather, they use the 3-chip diodes instead of a true 3 watt diode.. which is not as good. They say they dialed in 11 wavelengths, but from my researching for my own build, the led's themselves cover a minimum, peak, and maximum anyways, so it doesn't mean 11 different led's. Whites cover even more of a range. They say they use 60 degree lenses instead of 120 degree, which is good, but Cree's are roughly 60 to 80 degrees themselves. They list as 90 for whites and 100 for colours, but the chart in the pdf shows they peak at 60-ish.

http://www.ledsupply.com/docs/XLampXR-C.pdf
http://www.bridgelux.com/

They offer "Spectrol™ Spectrum Control".. my guess is that's potentiometers to set the red/blue ratios independently. They say 12 year life expectancy (50,000 hrs).. cool.. but will they be around in 6 years when something does happen? Then again, if the led's are as good as they claim, then it's really only the drivers that'll die on you.. they can be replaced quite easily. :)

Oh.. and it's now only $699.99 instead of $999.99. :confused0054:

 

[joefish]

would like to know the feedback of the sg602 led 6oow as im thinking of using this for my first setup any suggetions?

 

[1080p]

from what I gather, they use the 3-chip diodes instead of a true 3 watt diode.. which is not as good.

Spuzz, user "dunit" has a thread based on using this light :

he states they use true 3 watt diodes.... does this change your opinion on the product ?? Would you get one ???

 

[Spuzzum]

Spuzz, user "dunit" has a thread based on using this light :

he states they use true 3 watt diodes.... does this change your opinion on the product ?? Would you get one ???

I must be blind.. now I can't find what made me think they used 3-chip diodes.. my bad :blush


But one thing that's curious..

CREE LED’s are the highest quality LED in the industry but their price tag is astronomical. We use Bridgelux, a long-standing and high-quality manufacturer. In numerous tests we found Bridelux LED’s to provide results only slightly below their CREE counterparts. This same panel manufactured with CREE led’s would produce about 8% more output and cost about FOUR times as much. Here at 357MagLed.com we figure you’d be better off with two 357 Magnum LED Grow Lights (so about 85% more output) and a trip to the Amsterdam for what we would have to charge for a CREE panel.

If they're using Bridgelux, then how the hell are they claiming "11 wavelengths"? Bridgelux seems to only make Blue and White...

[b]Dominant Power Bin 5 Power Bin 6 Power Bin 7
Wavelength (65 – 80 mW) (80 – 95 mW) (95 – 110 mW)
445 to 447.5nm BXCB2424445-5-z BXCB2424445-6-z BXCB2424445-7-z
447.5 to 450nm BXCB2424447-5-z BXCB2424447-6-z BXCB2424447-7-z
450 to 452.5nm BXCB2424450-5-z BXCB2424450-6-z BXCB2424450-7-z
452.5 to 455nm BXCB2424452-5-z BXCB2424452-6-z BXCB2424452-7-z
455 to 457.5nm BXCB2424455-5-z BXCB2424455-6-z BXCB2424455-7-z
457.5 to 460nm BXCB2424457-5-z BXCB2424457-6-z BXCB2424457-7-z
460 to 462.5nm BXCB2424460-5-z BXCB2424460-6-z BXCB2424460-7-z
462.5 to 465nm BXCB2424462-5-z BXCB2424462-6-z BXCB2424462-7-z[/b]

As for buying though, I'm a do-it-yourself kinda guy, so I'd still want to make my own. But I am considering the 3w Cree's now, instead of the 1w unit I was planning on building. But when I was "deciding", some of the posts I was reading said 1w units were actually better than 3w.. but most of the posts were by the "him/her" scammer "ledgirl", so it's hard to tell what's real and what's just a sales pitch.

And my 1st purchase batch, 50pcs 1w 660nm stars, just got into town from China.. so too late to cancel.


But if I had the cash, all at once.. it would be cheaper than building yourself for sure. $700 for a 357w unit, compared to $700-$1,000 for a 127w DIY panel. But that's with Cree's.. and 50 cheapo 660's from China :D

 

[Spuzzum]

I think this is where I got the "3-chip 3 watt" idea from...

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=285317


What's really weird, is although that post was July last year, at that point at least, Bridgelux only makes Blue, Green, and White. The post goes on to say that the 3-chip units are knock-offs from China.. so maybe that's where the coloured versions are coming from(?).

 

[1080p]

I dunno, but between Ledgirl changing into a Ledguy and all this talk about manufactures and specs .... it's all making me dizzy.

At this point, like you said... it's just hard to decipher what's real and what may be a scam.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything... But if you do a quick search on facebook for 357 led light, you'll see the group only has one memeber, and all of the photo's used in the facebook group are the same as user "dunit"'s photo's in his threads, he also has the same thread on other popular forums.... hmmm. Leaves me to beleive he's affiliated with the company somehow... doesn't make me feel too confident.

I'm someone that falls into that niche that led catters too, I can't have too much ducting, and i need power consumption to not sky rocket all of a sudden. I want it to be true, but i don't want to be scammed!!

Anyway, thanks for sharing all the good research you've done... keep us posted.

 

[Spuzzum]

I'm not accusing anyone of anything... But if you do a quick search on facebook for 357 led light, you'll see the group only has one memeber, and all of the photo's used in the facebook group are the same as user "dunit"'s photo's in his threads, he also has the same thread on other popular forums.... hmmm. Leaves me to beleive he's affiliated with the company somehow... doesn't make me feel too confident.

I've only seen his/her nic on this site, and rollitup.. both times, only posts are about the magnum, and 1 about pest control. Google doesn't pop up either.. usually that's a way to find peeps by their nic's at whatever site they belong to, and have posted.

But then, for all I know, might just be a 2nd or 3rd nic of the person. Some communities have people with numerous nic's.. for legal purposes ;).

I did bring up the Bridglux "fakes" issue at rollitup in his original "hempstar" thread.. waiting for reply.

 

[Spuzzum]

Chattin' with dunit over at rollitup.. he seems legit.. not a company rep, just a customer. :)

Funny.. both of us emailed Bridgelux sales to see what's up. :D

Will let you know when they reply. Also, a rep from magnum's supposed to visit them in a few days to answer the questions as well. .. We will see......


Spuzzum

 

[1080p]

cool!

I didn't mean to accuse the guy or anything, i hope i didn't offend him... just found it odd that the only pics in the facebook group where the same one's in his thread.

 

[Spuzzum]

I think he's either a rep, or he's getting them for free for "advertising" them in "grow journals".

Thanks amigo. The panels are supposed to be released for sale pretty soon and I've got some tech info on them but been asked not to publish it yet and trying to stay on their good side to see if I can get a couple panels comped.

I do know he's saying he's talked with Bridgelux, and that Bridgelux, in his opinion, are damn good.

Yeah I've seem SG's stuff and it's impressive but the price is just too out of reach for most growers. They use CREE LED's and those things are wicked expensive so thats prob why. The panels I'm using now come from www.ledgrowlightsdirect.com and they use Bridgelux LED's which are great quality IMO but no where near the cost.

But Bridgelux doesn't make coloured led's.. and as someone who's "formerly in the lighting industry".. he should have known this:


They never returned either of our emails...



I wouldn't buy this panel.. no way, no how. But that's just me.


Here's his journal if you want to read and decide for yourself...
http://www.invalid.com/grow-journals/386508-hempstar-3-stage-led-grow.html



Cheers....

 

[ledbuds.com]

I just noticed this thread after searching for 357 Magnum on Google.

I am an affiliate of this product and have done tests myself.

Just wanted to let u guys know that the reason there is so little posts and online exposure is because this is bran new. So there isn't very much content yet, but I assure you its coming. I just posted a shitload of awesome pics from the magnum grow I was part of at budporn.ca

The website was just launched in Jan this year and as far as I know there is nobody else with a 357 watt LED grow light that compares to this unit.

Especially for that low price! I have seen 300 watt LED lights going for 1000$ + and this unit is only 699.99 with FREE SHIPPING even.

You will see very soon as more get sold and used people will be posting there pics and testimonials.

I have been growing with HPS for 8 years and was a huge skeptic when it came to using LED for producing buds.. I know they work awesome for Veg and clones but I had never seen results that matched the power of HPS. That is until I used the 357 Magnum, I have only ran one test but the results were more than enough to convince me of the potential. More tests are in progress so the content will keep coming.

This image was taken 3 weeks before harvest so the final product did get much thicker but you can see the trichomes and obvious quality. The final nugs were equal to if not even better than the same strain grown under HPS and I could hardly tell the difference.

So yea you can talk tech all you want but the results are what really matters. If the LED light is producing equal product to using HPS then it works.

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And yes I am an affiliate, so you might say I am biased, all I care about is growing killer potent awesome tasting marijauna and these LED's do it.

 

[treefaller]

357 leds

seen the results from these things and there bad ass been growing four 15 years and im impressed!!

 

[Spuzzum]

Well, for $700 for a 300w unit, that's using either all whites, or knock-off Bridgelux's.. I just realized that the Cree XR-E stars.. the one's I'm buying.. are 3w units. They go for $7 each roughly. I'd rather spend a few dollars more and get REAL Cree's, that I know are the industry's BEST, and are already 90 degree viewing angle.. than spend $700 on a panel that are made of fakes, or at the very least.. substandard diodes. And after hearing that the "Blackstar" only uses and aluminum plate as a heatsink.. not even finned.. it makes me wonder what the "other" panels have done as well. Is the 357 Magnum a "finned" heatsink? Are the diodes "cool to the touch", or is the panel going to start burning led's in a year or 2?

This is why I DIY.. at least I know what the f*'s inside. :D


Cheers......


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edit:

here's what a proper heatsink should look like when using these high powered led's:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1587273

 

[dunit]

Spuz....didn't know you ran on the european side too :)

Just reading the thread and checked out the facebook page.....those are my pics lol

When I bought my magnums I told them I was an rx grower and they asked me if I would be interested in posting a journal and sending them some pics to use for marketing purposes if they gave me a discount. I was gonna do a journal anyway so I said hell yeah :-)

Tough crowd on rollitup if you're not running blackstar.....

.....Bridgelux never emailed me back but I got a buddy to email them from my old work (electronics manufacturing) figuring he'd have better success. Didn't get too far and he's pretty busy so didn't want to push but what he did get back was that their 3W warm whites are blue, green and red diodes inside to get the spectrum and they mentioned they offer custom manufacturing for minimum 10,000 led orders.

I've seen quite a few grow panel manufacturers who claim to use CREE mention that their 660nm are Bridgelux (cause Cree don't make a 660) and I can't find that in any catalog either.

Who knows.....so much crap BS ad-speak in the LED industry and with all the different lens angles and diode configs and actual vs max power ratings it takes an engineer to figure it out. Not to mention that once you get the panels it's not like you can see the manufacturing tag on the individual LED's.

I see HUGE potential for unscrupulous advertising and knock-off manufacturing with LED's.

I actually think that induction lighting has better potential but isn't complicated enough to sell us on the "gimicks" like LED can so I see manufacturers pushing LED as the next big thing.

All I know is my Magnums seem to be growing some decent bud.....
.....and the truth remains to be seen....or harvested. So I'll reserve judgment on them until then

 

[dunit]

I can tell you that I took a magnifying glass to my Magnum and the blues and reds are all single diode supporting their claim that they are 3W LED's and not 3W/3. The white, IR and UV are 3W/3, they each have 3 diodes. I would also say that the lens angle on the reds and blues is very sharp so probably the 60 degrees they claim as the lights don't have a big footprint but awesome penetration. Good for me cause I'm limited on plant numbers and want to run a three stage grow so I need to run fewer, bigger plants.

 

[DoctorSarvis]

Just ordered 2 - 357's. Going to give them a try. The guy on the phone was really helpful. I'm going to start 5 auto-fem Assassin to see how fast they work. Then I'll germinate my LSD and MK-Ultra a couple weeks later. With 24 hours - I'll be able to listen to them grow.

 

[321abc]

Are there any links to completed grows using this lighting solution?

 

[CereaLED]

yeah dunit just completed his journal on RIU

dont have direct link but easy to find..