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Mud man,
Rez's creation of a seed form of SD that had its taste/smell and a somewhat watered down high allowed other breeders to get males as well as establish their own pheno's for breeding. Rez also discovered other diesel pheno's within his journey such as Omega Diesel and Alpha Diesel. But yes, Head openly uses Rez's version of SD/ECSD(SD v3).
Bi0hazard
ECO thanks.
anyone else want to add to the remainder of the question or further clarify?
if it's not the headband how is it then the precursor to ecsd? i get the SOUR diff, however isn't headband ecsd's precusor? so in what way are they related?
stuck on this????
Thanks just seeking wisdom. getting close
capo, bio, thanks but this not where i'm going with this i hold original diesel aka Headband. i hold ECSD. capo got me closer with the specific "SOUR" ok on to something. now to make it easier on us all i'll just pose the question this way
what is the breeding on the AJ's???
important to me, but not dire... any help?
Swerve, any specifics? spent the duckets on my third x of your beans sour og. so the question has merrit validity, from the breeding growing stand point, please clarify.
appreciations preceeding.
Congradulations, if you have the Original Diesel (Diesel #1) aka "Headband" - you have a sick hard to find cut. Hold on to it. I would also recommend trying out the 707 Headband, it's quite different than Original Diesel... Its Sour Diesel x Og Kush (sometimes X OG KUSH again). It was one of the strongest strains I've smoked. Come to Think of it, it could be really close to Sour OG - I have high hopes.
BTW, Supposedly the AJ Cut (Original Sour Diesel) was given to AJ by someone who had a serendipitous accidental pollination. Between (Chemdog '91 x Mass Super Skunk??/NL??)x DNL after the DNL hermed and seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian.
haha, circles is right.
Sour D is dank, no matter if its the ECSD (one of my personal favorites) or the Original Diesel. The Chem/Diesel family has produced the most smoke that I consider "ELITE". I'm sure the Sour OG and the Sourdawg D will be incredible :D-PKK
'Sour Diesel' aka ECSD came from an accidental cross of ('91 Chemdog x Mass Super Skunk/NL)x DNL after the DNL hermed and seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian.
• Original Diesel' (also known as Diesel #1, Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, Underdawg) came from a cross of '91 Chemdog x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’. if you read the lineage it looks like ajs cut was the 1st plus a planed cross. since the chem and mass super skunk were clone onlies, it looks like they used a sensi nl male and crossed it to the super skunk. then took a male outa this one and crossed it to the 91 Chemdog. and while they were growing this cut out the dnl hermied and seeded the room and those seeds created ecsd. AJ's cut if it is in fact original diesel = Chemdog 91 x (mass super skunk x nl)
ECSD = AJ's cut x DNL
DNL = Shiva/NL X Hawaiian
this is the only info most of us have so this is all we know
Dude...I can't stand to see you chase your tail anymore. AJ's Sour D cut IS just that..........SOUR D. All the other ones aka ECSD....Sour D...are names of the same thing, the only reason that they have different names are because they are different cuts of the same seed stock...........get it? (or hybrids) at the top of the heap is AJ's the best known cut. I don't think the AJ's looks like the ECSD I have grown in the past..mine was more sativa (hawiian) with huge tops not round. A lot of Sour D has been brought into the game from people seeding one or more of the phenos that was let out originally...the AJ cut being the rarest to be found once the original seed stock left NYC and popped up in Cali leaving behind herm seeds back East for people to bread with.
Ya got to understand the name game and that not all the cuts were equal coming from the pollination from the DNL. Unless some top secret breeding from the Chem was done while no-one was looking in attempts to make the PERFECT Sour D happened.lol If you think that's too complicated..........I got some Sour OG Daywrecker.lol
Seriously...don't get caught up in the name game...if you want the best Sour D...find AJ's cut, or do like the rest of us and buy/grow everything with a Sour D nametag spending years trying to find the right cut. PS...I think the greatest gift going is that good Chem cuts are back in the hands of responsible breeders and also the players who found the Chem. How wicked is it gonna get?
What are the genetics of the AJ cut? JJ-nyc says thers no MSS SS in it...
And yes the Chem was first called Diesel because people did not like the name and because it was the "Cock Diesel" But you don't talk about the next strain created from the Chem Dawg. Also known as UnderDawg, Daywrecker, Diesel no.1 (Chem Dawg x super skunk/NL) from this the Sour was born hermied from the DNL(skunk). That is were it gets its vigorous growth and some of the taste. Any one who has grown or smoked it would know. And yes the Albany kids were the first to "find " the Sour, the "bro" and his crew did not invent it.
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