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Yes there's no way that the Mass SS is in the Sour Diesel. The Mass just doesn't have the stretch. My friend holds the DNL and the tropical Hawaiian influences are there, so is the stretch in the growth. The DNL is Hawaiian X RFK Skunk/NL. The lower branches of the DNL hermi if not pruned properly and it pollinated the 91 Chem Dawg. I've come to this conclusion over many years of growing the Chem Dawg, DNL, Mass SS, Sour Diesel and talking with the people who were originally involved with making the strains.
I was talking about the DNL. Sour Diesel=91 Chem X DNLI have a hard time believing there is no chem in sour diesel. Although that skunky flavor really comes thru...
good post jj
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Rez has made the sour d watered down consistantly.
Rez has made the sour d watered down consistantly.
The old Grim (grimskunk) strain guide has Rez sour diesel as Mexican sativa x Chemo
I don't think REZ had the ECSD so he made his own with the sativa tamer Chemo clone. Then he called it Sour Diesel and went from there until he backcrossed it to get to SD ibl.
Back a few years Grim's strain guide was considered the best one. There must be something to this. Anybody have any thoughts? Maybe JJ or Sunsimulator?
I posted about this awhile ago in a chemo thread any nobody commented on it. I find this very interesting.
I also think this is a confusing subject because people keep mixing up "original".
Here are my thoughts... just my thoughts... by no means are these established facts. I have read a lot because I have the ECSD clone and like to research what I have.
Chemdog Crosses:
• 'OG Kush' (the original cut) came from an s1 from in a bag of '91 Chemdog in the Lake Tahoe area in 1996.
• 'Sour Diesel' aka ECSD came from an accidental cross of ('91 Chemdog x Mass Super Skunk/NL)x DNL after the DNL hermed and seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian.
• Original Diesel' (also known as Diesel #1, Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, Underdawg) came from a cross of '91 Chemdog x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’.
Sour Diesel is ECSD it is the original but original isn't in the name. It doesn't go by original Sour Diesel.
Later Original Diesel was made by weasel
Then Rez further confused the issue with his SD ibl which I think is Mexican Sativa x Chemo and he found his pheno to backcross his way to SD ibl.
I have ECSD. It looks like the picture I posted (High and Lonesome pic from IC). This originated on the east coast. That is where the original clone was found. I suppose some people could have had seeds from the original accidental cross and that would mean there are cuts from different original seeds.
I think the guys that had the accidental cross with the DNL searched those seeds and found the ECSD cut. Somebody said that the good seeds from this cross went west leaving the east coast the hermie seeds??? At most they just took some seeds out west and other seeds stayed east. But the ECSD cut was here in the east and still is. It is the one that started the sour diesel craze.
AJ's cut is Original Diesel not ECSD. So why isn't it called weasels cut? Or did AJ get seeds from weasel and found his own pheno?
This hobby is crazy complicated at times. LOL!
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