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OK, the next batch of beans has popped. 4 out of 4 Candy Cane Autos.
Dropped on the 17th, popped through on Nov 20th. 🥳

as usual they are of the same batch taken under different light conditions. Not much to see yet, they are still spending 24x7 in the tent with the big light almost 5 feet away. There is a veg light bar at 12 inches.

I will update again in a few days. Right now these are only being hand fed using the "RapidStart" product mentioned above.

😎 🥂
 
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Update: Grow #7 Candy Cane

This tale of two cities continues to blow my mind... Again, taken under various light conditions (you can clearly see why) ☹

maybe i'll get four of the one on the left out of the four beans that just popped.

😉😎
 
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Uh well.. you are going to throw up in your mouth a little probably.... but... I went from one 4x2 Sunblaze T5HO to 2 Viparspectra P2000's in a 2 x 6 area. I was using it for flowering small plants. Like trying to do a 6 cola bonsai in a traditional bonsai pot is tough. Most of the strains I'm messing with expressed significant Cal/Mag deficiencies specifically, even though they were getting not only normal nutes but an Earth Juice Cal/Mag supplement at full strength too. When I up potted those plants into 5 gal grow bags, that cal/mag def went away within a week as soon as the roots got under the plant.

The byproduct of that mess? I've been growing a lot of HSC's Purple Mountain Majesty and it's a frustrating strain. It comes up with like no tight spacing on bud sites. It looks like freaking Charlie Brown's sad ass Christmas tree. And the damned thing grows TALL if you let it. 5 gal bag outside on a normal veg cycle? 4.5 - 6 ft tall plant. But once it goes into flower? The thing takes right off and packs it on. The little sparse nug sites become huge tight nugs with a tight well formed cola.

Well... I took 4 clones of that strain and dropped them into bonsai pots that are only 3 inches deep. And then vegged them for 2 weeks on 186 to let their roots spread out. And then hit them with 12/12 under the LEDs. They stretched and stopped at well under 3ft. I'll put a tape measure on them and take more updated pics outside of them so the lights don't bleach out the pics tomorrow. But if you compare the cola formation, the dense flower growth, and the size of the nugs on these three plants to the outdoor stuff I did with this strain this season? You can barely tell they are the same strain at this age.

I've got two more test plants in that LED indoor run. They are old school :) Lemon Skunk #2 and GSC. And again, the difference in these two plants and the ones that are finishing outside are insane. My wife calls 1 piece cola plants "baseball bats". The same height limiting "technique" was used on those two. Both came from clones just their their outside counterparts. But the outside ones are spaced out heavily and the yield is going to be shit. And the inside ones are short but will be just single cola plants WAY more densely budded than the outside stuff.

I didn't change anything else in my set up. Nutes, supplements, ph, soil, methods, all the same. The difference is the lights. They have blown the tits off of my grow and I'm incredibly happy with what's going on for sure. If these cheap lights are pushing this type of output, I'm almost afraid to work with a high quality line like Gravitas or whatever.

And today I ordered 2 more that should be here in the next few days. I went with the P2500s. I'm going to use the smaller space for veg and keep the P2000's in there. These new lights will be for my larger flowering area. We'll just have to see what happens.

Sorry for the novel. Just wanted to give a complete pic.
Still waiting on the pics. Did i miss them? 🍻 ☹
 
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Still waiting on the pics. Did i miss them? 🍻 ☹
Holy shot a lot has happened since that post. Like LS2 has been harvested. The 3 PMMs are in the jug. But heres my current set ups.

Veg and an LS2 that I harvested from a single cola test (headed for nutes and water after this)

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Flower. The big one in front is one of my HSC Purple Mountain Majesty bonsais that I had 1 too many of. Retrained it and this is what happened.

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HSC PMM top.
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HSC PMM bottom
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Another PMM clone chugging along.
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Holy shot a lot has happened since that post. Like LS2 has been harvested. The 3 PMMs are in the jug. But heres my current set ups.

. . .
You are not kidding. My world got turned upside down with this COVID crap. I was away for quite awhile after my mom died of the crap.

Love that training on the bag. That was a LOT of work, hopefully your love and affection will be returned in bud and clones 😁 🥳👍
 
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You are not kidding. My world got turned upside down with this COVID crap. I was away for quite awhile after my mom died of the crap.

Love that training on the bag. That was a LOT of work, hopefully your love and affection will be returned in bud and clones 😁 🥳👍
Man, I'm sorry for your loss. I had no idea. Glad you're back :)

Thanks re: the training. I have another PMM bonsai for clones in the veg room. Its the one with REALLY messed up fan leaves under the light on the right kind of in the middle. Almost killed it but got lucky. I should have done the root trim and soil repack on one day, let it sit for 2 weeks and THEN went nuts top side. Instead I did all of it in one sitting and rewired the damned thing to spread out the canopy better. And uh... Thought I was going to have to go down that WAY aggravating road of holy shit have to clone a flowering cutting. Got lucky lucky lucky. She came through it. But man!

I'm not sure what is going to happen with that bagged plant. It has 7 colas. Height is pretty much uniform. Buuuuuuut... there is a lot of side shoot growth on this one, where I don't get that on a single cola, not topped plant. I thought the nugs would hug the top of the plant. Erp. Wrong. So this one has me kind of stuck. It has grown out a second "bud" layer in the middle from all of that side shoot growth. And that second layer is just about uniform in height too, just shorter than the main growth shoots of this thing. And... it's only a 5 gallon bag.

Kind of on the fence with respect to defoliating everything except the 7 colas or just letting the thing rip while treating the bag like 1 gallon coco fiber container lol.

When I first started working this strain, I did a lot of shit to it. Defoliation. Topped. Mainline. Bushed. Cloned. Outside. Inside. Hybrid (veg inside/flower outside). Bonsai. Au Natural. And... Stunted. It's just amazing to me that a variant of the method yields a variant in growth pattern/behavior. I think I'm just going to let her go and see what happens. The single cola plants put out BEAST size dense nugs. Really enjoying the smoke.

Another weird thing I've been working on is stunting a plant so that the height restricts but the bud output is still hearty. Coming from the 80's, short plants were always an obsession. I've found something that has worked across a dozen or so strains for now and it's simple.

1) Veg out completely in a bonsai pot. I use a 9 x 6 x 3 (tall).
2) Flower in the bonsai pot until the top "crowns" or a cal/mag deficiency just starts to express (root bound).
3) Transplant to 5 gallon grow bag. Loosen the roots first and spread them out in the transplant.
4) It will pause for 3 - 5 days. And then resume.

Little height is gained after the transplant. And then they all start putting the bud on. My theory is that they have the root system of a normal sized plant, and have the ability to uptake the same amount of nutrients as a normal sized plant, but don't have all of that mass to supply. The tallest plant I have right now is an HSC Squirt. I'd estimate 24 - 28 inches. Certainly no more than 30". Same strain went close to 4ft grown naturally.

Anyway... welcome back :)
 
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Man, I'm sorry for your loss. I had no idea. Glad you're back :)

Thanks re: the training. I have another PMM bonsai for clones in the veg room. Its the one with REALLY messed up fan leaves under the light on the right kind of in the middle. Almost killed it but got lucky. I should have done the root trim and soil repack on one day, let it sit for 2 weeks and THEN went nuts top side. Instead I did all of it in one sitting and rewired the damned thing to spread out the canopy better. And uh... Thought I was going to have to go down that WAY aggravating road of holy shit have to clone a flowering cutting. Got lucky lucky lucky. She came through it. But man!

I'm not sure what is going to happen with that bagged plant. It has 7 colas. Height is pretty much uniform. Buuuuuuut... there is a lot of side shoot growth on this one, where I don't get that on a single cola, not topped plant. I thought the nugs would hug the top of the plant. Erp. Wrong. So this one has me kind of stuck. It has grown out a second "bud" layer in the middle from all of that side shoot growth. And that second layer is just about uniform in height too, just shorter than the main growth shoots of this thing. And... it's only a 5 gallon bag.

Kind of on the fence with respect to defoliating everything except the 7 colas or just letting the thing rip while treating the bag like 1 gallon coco fiber container lol.

When I first started working this strain, I did a lot of shit to it. Defoliation. Topped. Mainline. Bushed. Cloned. Outside. Inside. Hybrid (veg inside/flower outside). Bonsai. Au Natural. And... Stunted. It's just amazing to me that a variant of the method yields a variant in growth pattern/behavior. I think I'm just going to let her go and see what happens. The single cola plants put out BEAST size dense nugs. Really enjoying the smoke.

Another weird thing I've been working on is stunting a plant so that the height restricts but the bud output is still hearty. Coming from the 80's, short plants were always an obsession. I've found something that has worked across a dozen or so strains for now and it's simple.

1) Veg out completely in a bonsai pot. I use a 9 x 6 x 3 (tall).
2) Flower in the bonsai pot until the top "crowns" or a cal/mag deficiency just starts to express (root bound).
3) Transplant to 5 gallon grow bag. Loosen the roots first and spread them out in the transplant.
4) It will pause for 3 - 5 days. And then resume.

Little height is gained after the transplant. And then they all start putting the bud on. My theory is that they have the root system of a normal sized plant, and have the ability to uptake the same amount of nutrients as a normal sized plant, but don't have all of that mass to supply. The tallest plant I have right now is an HSC Squirt. I'd estimate 24 - 28 inches. Certainly no more than 30". Same strain went close to 4ft grown naturally.

Anyway... welcome back :)
Very, very nice. I am looking for squat indica plants to do in hydro. I am still working with autos as my room and experience level (and fear of utter failure) of photoperiods. I will eventually get into all of those other variables that will make this even more difficult, but FUN!! 👍
 
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Very, very nice. I am looking for squat indica plants to do in hydro. I am still working with autos as my room and experience level (and fear of utter failure) of photoperiods. I will eventually get into all of those other variables that will make this even more difficult, but FUN!! 👍
Dude... photos... they are actually easier than autos imo. You have total control over the process vs. holy shit this thing is on its own schedule. If you ever want to make the jump, lmk. More than happy to help. And if you can get a hold of Mark from Strainly... he's got three short indica dominant strains that mainline REALLY well. All three produce tight rock hard frosty nugs too. I've grown them. Definitely vouch for them.

Lemon Skunk #2
Blue Cookies
Blue God

Dude is $1.00 a seed... Get like 20 of each. Germ rate kind of sucks. But at a buck a seed? Eh... put down 6 instead of 3? :D

I've got his Chemdog #4, GSC, LA Confidential going in veg right now. So far? Righteous.
 
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UPDATE: Candy Cane babies are now a week old. I have taken the rooter cubes out of the warmth of the flower tent and put them under the veg light bar. They will stay in the trays at least another week while i continue to hand feed them from the top, once a day.
 
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Update: Grow #9 Candy Cane
germination 17 Nov 2020;

It has been 10 days since they cleared the surface. They have been growing in the rapid rooter cubes for about 10 days now. I moved them to 3" net pots so they can finish out the first month of veg. I will move them to 6" pots at that time.
 
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Update: Grow #8 Candy Cane
germination 26 Sept 2020;

The last 10 days or so have been a real bitch! All of a sudden the plant went into calmag def in a blink. I have been feeding on schedule, etc and things were looking fine. Long story short; @logic and I had a few discussions and i found out that in general the off-the-shelf products that we are all quite used to. fall WAY short to the recommended levels of both elements and generally in the wrong proportions. Consensus seems to indicate that the proper ratio is 2(Ca) : 1(Mg).

The ideal ratio is two parts calcium to one part of magnesium. A safe homemade Cal-Mag concentration would be 380ppm, with 260ppm Calcium and 120ppm Magnesium.

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(this product is no longer made by mfg)

. . . you could try and find a similar product, just look for 9% calcium, 5% magnesium and 14% sulfur

CALiMAGic = 5% cal and 1.5% mag
botanicare = Nitrogen 2% cal 3.2% mag 1.2% iron.19 no sulfur
vitalink = 4% cal and 1.7% mag
nectar for the gods Demeter's Destiny also only 4% cal and 0 mag
General Organics CaMg+ is also 5% and 1%
Emerald Harvest cal mag = 3% and 0.5%

The product i finally setteled on was this one:
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mainly because it had nothing BUT Ca/Mag so i could use it during the rest of the grow without worrying about the "N". Since i use RO water, my solution was to use this product in my 35 gallon top-off tank. I found out that it also has buffering agents in it to prevent the PH swing 👍 😎 .

I figured that if i did the setup using this product:
Cal-Mag Complete Calcium Magnesium Growing Supplement by TPS Nutrients


by using it to setup the rez and during the first 4 weeks, and then i switch to the Dr. Seeds mix for the rest of the grow. With the top-off already cal/mag and alk balanced, i can use it for feeding mixes etc without worry.

It took a week for the two products to both arrive, by then the scene was ugly (understatement) I will try and show the before and after images as much as possible. I will recover but yield has certainly been affected. Try again on the next go-round 😉
 
Bean_Boy

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Update: Grow #8 Candy Cane
germination 26 Sept 2020;

The last 10 days or so have been a real bitch! All of a sudden the plant went into calmag def in a blink. I have been feeding on schedule, etc and things were looking fine. Long story short; @logic and I had a few discussions and i found out that in general the off-the-shelf products that we are all quite used to. fall WAY short to the recommended levels of both elements and generally in the wrong proportions. Consensus seems to indicate that the proper ratio is 2(Ca) : 1(Mg).

The ideal ratio is two parts calcium to one part of magnesium. A safe homemade Cal-Mag concentration would be 380ppm, with 260ppm Calcium and 120ppm Magnesium.

View attachment 1066465 (this product is no longer made by mfg)

. . . you could try and find a similar product, just look for 9% calcium, 5% magnesium and 14% sulfur

CALiMAGic = 5% cal and 1.5% mag
botanicare = Nitrogen 2% cal 3.2% mag 1.2% iron.19 no sulfur
vitalink = 4% cal and 1.7% mag
nectar for the gods Demeter's Destiny also only 4% cal and 0 mag
General Organics CaMg+ is also 5% and 1%
Emerald Harvest cal mag = 3% and 0.5%

The product i finally setteled on was this one:
View attachment 1066466


mainly because it had nothing BUT Ca/Mag so i could use it during the rest of the grow without worrying about the "N". Since i use RO water, my solution was to use this product in my 35 gallon top-off tank. I found out that it also has buffering agents in it to prevent the PH swing 👍 😎 .

I figured that if i did the setup using this product:
Cal-Mag Complete Calcium Magnesium Growing Supplement by TPS Nutrients


by using it to setup the rez and during the first 4 weeks, and then i switch to the Dr. Seeds mix for the rest of the grow. With the top-off already cal/mag and alk balanced, i can use it for feeding mixes etc without worry.

It took a week for the two products to both arrive, by then the scene was ugly (understatement) I will try and show the before and after images as much as possible. I will recover but yield has certainly been affected. Try again on the next go-round 😉
Good info in the calmag! They're still looking frosty!!
 
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Update: Grow #8 Candy Cane
germination 26 Sept 2020;

Flushing has begun! We we are two weeks from the scheduled end of the Candy Cane Autos. I have started flushing this week so we shall soon see how badly I screwed up this grow. ☹
 
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Update: Grow #8 Candy Cane
germination 26 Sept 2020;

Flushing has begun! We we are two weeks from the scheduled end of the Candy Cane Autos. I have started flushing this week so we shall soon see how badly I screwed up this grow. ☹
What causes the plant to do that?
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