Bag Seed Hunting & The Lst Adventure

[Trucker]

Looking good. They are starting to reach for the lights now :)

 

[rmoltis]

Looking good. They are starting to reach for the lights now :)

Yup I think the nutes are giving them a boost. Possibly the aspirin too.

I gave them another feed today.
My nute mix is still for starts so I figure it won't hurt them.

They have 3 nodes with 4th developing. Can't wait to get to 5 & 6 so I can start manifolding!

I'm still getting a feel for the veg capacity under my t5. I would like to know how long they can stay before needing to be moved upstairs.

That way once I flip to flower, remove all males, I will then pull some clones to veg and will veg them for the duration of flower.

A perpetual grow if you will.
Because if I can have five 4 top manifolded plants I think I could pull 7 zips it would be highly efficient for me.

Or the alternative would be four 8 topped plants in bigger pots 3 gallon. That would be 1 gallon bigger than my last round.

 

[Trucker]

Sounds like a good plan..

 

[rmoltis]

So I talked with my biochemist wife.
About converting aspirin (salicylic acid) to acetyl salicylic acid. I have been adding 1/2 aspirin (162.5mg) to 1 liter of nutrient feed. She did some Calculations and said I would need 1 ml of acetic acid (vinegar) since the vinegar was diluted %5 (bottle said so) to convert the salicylic acid to acetyl salicylic acid. With Close a 1:1 conversion (efficient reaction).

So I added 1ml of organic apple cider vinegar to my nutrient batch. If it lowers the ph it will rise back up from the aeration. Next time I mix a new nutrient batch. I will put the aspirin and acetic acid in a shot glass for a more focused reaction. Then I will add it to the feed. This time I am kinda wingin it.

Next application we will see if the acetyl salicylic acid makes a difference over salicylic acid.

 

[rmoltis]

Today's update.

Today's results after yesterday's 2nd application of nutes with aspirin (salicylic acid) was that they had another growth spurt.

If the aspirin's job is to make the plants healthy it sure seems to have a response withing the first 2 applications.

Hopefully the next solution containing acetylsalicylic acid will work more effectively. If the plants have dried enough today I will feed it to them.

 

[Trucker]

They are definitely taking off now. Tighten your belt buckle and get ready for the ride :)

 

[rmoltis]

They are definitely taking off now. Tighten your belt buckle and get ready for the ride :)

I hope so.

They are looking healthy as can be.
4 out of 5 of them have 1 or more roots that have reached the drain holes. Not sure how long I can go without causing rootbound condition.

That just may end up being my limiting factor in the lower chamber. because the next pot size up is too tall.

I fed them just now with the nutes solution. Each got 60ml (I have measured 60ml each day). Let's see tomorrow how they look.

 

[jumpincactus]

I hope so.

They are looking healthy as can be.
4 out of 5 of them have 1 or more roots that have reached the drain holes. Not sure how long I can go without causing rootbound condition.

That just may end up being my limiting factor in the lower chamber. because the next pot size up is too tall.

I fed them just now with the nutes solution. Each got 60ml (I have measured 60ml each day). Let's see tomorrow how they look.

Get some Fulvic acid and hit them in veg with foliar feed once a week. You will be pleased with how lush and healthy they will look. Looking good so far Homer :)

 

[rmoltis]

Today's update.
Before lights on with camera flash.

Looking very green and healthy when not under the t5 lighting.

After lights on (morning)

Their trunks are thickening. The outer skin layer is shedding off from being a seedling. They are on about 4th node each. That middle one is ready but I'll do em at the same time to keep them close to on track with each other.

I will like to pull the tops for clones. They will help me sex the plants earlier on.

 

[rmoltis]

The gals drank the last of the nutes today.

So I mixed my next batch of nutes. This time I went for the low end of regular vegetative schedule instead of starts.

Because if there is anything I learned last round about this nute lineup. It was that I could go a lot heavier on the grow nutes.

I also mixed the crushed aspirin with vinegar in a small beaker. Then added it to the nutes after they were mixed.
Like usual the extra nutes added not on the schedule are always (oily cann, God silica, neptunes harvest fish and seaweed fertilizer, biozeus, molasses). Got everything bubbling.

For the new readers my entire lineup is earth juice except for the neptunes harvest and the organic molasses.

 

[Moto]

So I talked with my biochemist wife.
About converting aspirin (salicylic acid) to acetyl salicylic acid. I have been adding 1/2 aspirin (162.5mg) to 1 liter of nutrient feed. She did some Calculations and said I would need 1 ml of acetic acid (vinegar) since the vinegar was diluted %5 (bottle said so) to convert the salicylic acid to acetyl salicylic acid. With Close a 1:1 conversion (efficient reaction).

So I added 1ml of organic apple cider vinegar to my nutrient batch. If it lowers the ph it will rise back up from the aeration. Next time I mix a new nutrient batch. I will put the aspirin and acetic acid in a shot glass for a more focused reaction. Then I will add it to the feed. This time I am kinda wingin it.

Next application we will see if the acetyl salicylic acid makes a difference over salicylic acid.

Enjoying this thread a lot.. Love to see people trying things.. :)

Your plants look great and very happy..

Nice job

Moto

 

[Moto]

They are definitely taking off now. Tighten your belt buckle and get ready for the ride :)

It is locked and loaded for the ride.. LOL :)

Good stuff trucker.. :)

 

[rmoltis]

Today's update.

So I think today is the day I am sold on using aspirin in my nutes. Everyday I have applied it I have seen a noticeable change in health and growth. And the last 2 days with the acetylsalicylic acid(162.5mg crushed aspirin+1mg acetic acid %5(apple cider vinegar)) have been just as noticeable if not more so. Today being the most noticeable for my eyes.

I recommend people give it a try. Don't believe me at face value. Rather create an experiment of your own. This way you can have your own eureka moment. And if you don't notice a change. Then no harm done.

I'm sure the switch from starts to vegetative nutes also will make a difference in growth. That batch of nutes will be applied today (this time it had the aspirin vinegar mixed separately first, the mixed into the nutes)

They should be ready for their first topping anywhere from 2-to-5 days.
They all have 4 nodes and are growing 5 and 6. Except for sour dubbs × querkle #1 it has 5 nodes with 6 and 7 coming in.

 

[rmoltis]

I had to offset them from each other because their leaves were touching/overlapping.

This is also a good picture to point out that vent by the light. It has a bug screen wrapped over an installed flange to keep bugs out.

Since my exhaust fan is pulling air from inside the chamber and blowing it out of the screen where the pic was taken. It draws fresh air in over the lights to help keep them cool. As well as diluting any hot air up there before getting cycled out.

I've blown smoke into the flanged opening and it runs through the chamber real quick then it's gone. So it works well for only 4 cubic ft of space lol.

Another feature of this space. You see how the t5 fixture is almost touching the back wall? This means there is a full box of light back there with only the front wall missing.

This means when the seedlings are tucked back in there centered with the t5 fixture. They get surrounded by a quite large amount of light.

 

[Moto]

Today's update.
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So I think today is the day I am sold on using aspirin in my nutes. Everyday I have applied it I have seen a noticeable change in health and growth. And the last 2 days with the acetylsalicylic acid(162.5mg crushed aspirin+1mg acetic acid %5(apple cider vinegar)) have been just as noticeable if not more so. Today being the most noticeable for my eyes.

I recommend people give it a try. Don't believe me at face value. Rather create an experiment of your own. This way you can have your own eureka moment. And if you don't notice a change. Then no harm done.

I'm sure the switch from starts to vegetative nutes also will make a difference in growth. That batch of nutes will be applied today (this time it had the aspirin vinegar mixed separately first, the mixed into the nutes)

They should be ready for their first topping anywhere from 2-to-5 days.
They all have 4 nodes and are growing 5 and 6. Except for sour dubbs × querkle #1 it has 5 nodes with 6 and 7 coming in.

:) If you don't mind I would like to pull in a fellow friend to this thread.. He is much smarter then me on the science part and I feel it would help all of us as a whole to help understand benefits. :)

@Ecompost When you get downtime and not busy on the farm.. Could you help clarify this? Thanks Brother

Moto

 

[Moto]

I had to offset them from each other because their leaves were touching/overlapping.

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This is also a good picture to point out that vent by the light. It has a bug screen wrapped over an installed flange to keep bugs out.

Since my exhaust fan is pulling air from inside the chamber and blowing it out of the screen where the pic was taken. It draws fresh air in over the lights to help keep them cool. As well as diluting any hot air up there before getting cycled out.

I've blown smoke into the flanged opening and it runs through the chamber real quick then it's gone. So it works well for only 4 cubic ft of space lol.

Another feature of this space. You see how the t5 fixture is almost touching the back wall? This means there is a full box of light back there with only the front wall missing.

This means when the seedlings are tucked back in there centered with the t5 fixture. They get surrounded by a quite large amount of light.

Fantastic setup.. I like it a lot.. :)

Looks like you know what your doing and going to be an amazing grow journal. :)

Thanks for the update..

Moto

 

[Ecompost]

Enjoying this thread a lot.. Love to see people trying things.. :)

Your plants look great and very happy..

Nice job

Moto

actually, aspirin is well used in the herb growing community here. Certainly for tomatoes and many medicinal plants and common garden herbs too. James Wong is an advocate, and we've been using it here for many years, bur more recently we have been growing our own barley and so using this in ACT with relative Microbes which themselves stimulate SA and so ISR. See here on Aspirin use, this guy is a well know botanist here in Europe and has a TV show i think in the UK

 

[Ecompost]

I had to offset them from each other because their leaves were touching/overlapping.

View attachment 613785

This is also a good picture to point out that vent by the light. It has a bug screen wrapped over an installed flange to keep bugs out.

Since my exhaust fan is pulling air from inside the chamber and blowing it out of the screen where the pic was taken. It draws fresh air in over the lights to help keep them cool. As well as diluting any hot air up there before getting cycled out.

I've blown smoke into the flanged opening and it runs through the chamber real quick then it's gone. So it works well for only 4 cubic ft of space lol.

Another feature of this space. You see how the t5 fixture is almost touching the back wall? This means there is a full box of light back there with only the front wall missing.

This means when the seedlings are tucked back in there centered with the t5 fixture. They get surrounded by a quite large amount of light.

great grow buddy, since you are clearly interested in the modulation of biology, I urge you to have a look through baccus's website here http://themodern.farm/musings-on-sar-jar/
Also you might find Tim's site useful also.
Not wanting to lose you from here of course but its an option for you to meet like minded modulators like you bro :-)
https://logicalgardener.org/

peace, blessing on this and other grows, and keep up the adventure brother

 

[Ecompost]

Yo what else... if its possible to noticeably improve the flavor of strawberries by simply growing strawberries through a red plastic mulch, what else can we achieve by growing our plants in environments modulated by color and not just obvious plant feeds?

 

[rmoltis]

Thanks for dropping in @Ecompost .
I am enjoying fiddling with this stuff.
I have a very busy work life.

So I don't have a lot of time to devote to new ideas. But simple things I can easily squeeze in over time.

I do believe there is a wide spectrum of environment variables that affect the plant in different ways that we still do not know.

Gotta try and think like a plant to gain a better understanding.