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1st, always been meaning to give props to your Floyd sig; WYWH is 2nd best album, after Animals imo. Fearless is my absolute favorite of thiers. Saw Yonder Mountain perform Animals, complete with awesome props and psychedelic visuals. They encored after Pigs on the Wing 2... I was like WTF?!? HOW do you follow that?!!?I just checked their site and they indicate they are currently out of stock. With that said I am not the one to answer your original question as I myself have been on the fence on upgrading my lighting system and with the dizzying array of tech and systems I am about to implode with overamped amounts of data and information.
I have been back and forth between Plasma tech and 315 cmh. I actually like the design of the E- Papillon cmh due to the reflector design that vents heat upwards and doesn't create a lot of radiant heat load at the canopy.
So as you can see I am a tad dazed n confused. I want to be sure whatever dinero I shell out will not be regretted later. Maybe I'll hitch along your thread and hopefully be able to learn some more.
es indeed. Oh BTW thanks for the props on my PF sig one of my all time favs in that genre. They were masters at what they do.Harmonics are long explanation, so link here...
FWIW Im only a customer of theirs, fan, and learner here. Just trying to choose 315 upgrades and builds. Was going Boulder Lights until I learned about these.
My shop can get them right now, SolisTek rep told my buddy who runs it they're ready. PM me if you want shop contact info; theyre well established and ship. I don't work for them either.
Considering emailing SolisTek and asking PAR readings on their units? Anything else I should ask?
Great questioned, and wondered that exact question myself in last 24hrs actually. Even if 3x 315s at same BTU, still less power and heat than a 1k (945 VS 1000, times as many 1ks you replace adds up).
ANY air cool reflectors for HPS lose 30% PAR immediately. Terrible. Air cooling hot-as-the-Devils-taint bulbs JUST to cut out 1/3rd right away?! WTF. And I know personally, because Ive run banks of air cooled 1k HPS in large hoods myself. When we took glass off for a few days, the crop got light burn. Not heat burn.
I run remote ballasts in totally separate area, but 1k open bulb HPS verts get hot as fck, and 3ton wide head strong digital professionally installed minisplit can control temps, but only to a certain point and summers are tougher. I spend a fortune on cooling, and that's not for 72F either.
With ballasts attached, not sure 315s BTU. I just emailed SolisTek for supplementary info, PAR and color data, etc.
Should have asked BTUs! Will wait til response, then ask for sure.
Ive heard everywhere that 315s are slightly warm to touch. My 1k HPS will melt fabric and give at least 1st if not 2nd degree burns if touched. Too damned hot. My VPD is horrible, my transpiration locked out a bunch of rounds til I just figured it out, mites love sex in the heat, etc. And Im not even on co2, yet.
Heat kills rooms. High power bills hurt.
For sure. Totally hear you.I agree, heat and hvac bills are my main concern. It get so frikkn hot in this desert I typically dont grow inside during the summer. I'm not large scale and cannot afford the cooling and power bills. Seems counter productive to have huge ass HID lights to create loads of heat to only then have to shell out more $$$ to cool it all down. Be sure to post any other info you get concerning the heat load. peace
Thank you brother :DFor sure. Totally hear you.
Buddy who started telling me about 315s was too cheap to get ac much less run in it summer. Cheap bastard. Pennywise, pound foolish.
When he started all the 315 talk, I called BS. Saw it as more LED nonsense. Im now preaching the gospel a year later. Will keep posting here, JC. Yeah, fck heat and huge power bills.
I agree, heat and hvac bills are my main concern. It get so frikkn hot in this desert I typically dont grow inside during the summer. I'm not large scale and cannot afford the cooling and power bills. Seems counter productive to have huge ass HID lights to create loads of heat to only then have to shell out more $$$ to cool it all down. Be sure to post any other info you get concerning the heat load. peace
Man thank you so much. That is what I needed to know.315s draw a little over 1,000 BTU/hr. i run numbers @ 1200 BTU. in a 4x8 tent I'm running two hoods with ballets outside the rooms and a 4" exhaust - temps in the low-mid 70s (the room the tent in does have a/c) and I'm going to put a third in since temps are so moderate.
In larger setups I've had homies run 5 tons for 30 lights and been happy with it- the ballasts definitely don't get super hot (if you've got kitchen hands you can hold them when they're running and they can touch fabric without burning anything)
I wish I could speak from my experience cooling these lights but we have a chiller system that is hardcore overkill so I can't accurately say what the minimum cooling requirement is.
Thanks @We Solidarity ~! So... equivalent BTUs per watt, approx is sounds.315s draw a little over 1,000 BTU/hr. i run numbers @ 1200 BTU. in a 4x8 tent I'm running two hoods with ballets outside the rooms and a 4" exhaust - temps in the low-mid 70s (the room the tent in does have a/c) and I'm going to put a third in since temps are so moderate.
In larger setups I've had homies run 5 tons for 30 lights and been happy with it- the ballasts definitely don't get super hot (if you've got kitchen hands you can hold them when they're running and they can touch fabric without burning anything)
I wish I could speak from my experience cooling these lights but we have a chiller system that is hardcore overkill so I can't accurately say what the minimum cooling requirement is.
WAY less heat, less power, way less ac (and also then even less power), higher PAR by a lot, lux, better color, never need new bulbs. Better VPD.Man thank you so much. That is what I needed to know.
I will use 1 in a 5 x 5 x 6.5H tent for veg and will use 2 in my flower room which is 10 x 12 x 10'H However with the flower room I typically run 2 -1000w hps. So running only 2 cmh will be a setback on yield. So I may have to go with 3 and overlap. My issue is with 6600 btu between the 2 hps and even with central hvac in the home with the desert summers my cooling bill is thru the roof and my killowatt cost is only .14 So with 3 cmh I will still be under the heat laod of 2 1000w hps. I'm now curious how much my yields will suffer. But with that said with being able to grow year round I would realize more yeild thru more runs per year.
Damn so much to think about for a simple weed LOL I miss my outdoors days. :sweating: thanks again for your input bro :D
Great question, and back a sec to your earlier point. Ignoring VPD.I'm with you on the gavita's not typically a home grower light unless you have 12' clgs. I worked for s short time in a dispensary based grow here in AZ and they had shipping containers in a whse and used the 1000 w e series gavies with 8' clgs and every crop cycle had bleached buds. Not to knock gavita but they are definitely like you said a more commercial whse grow setup with lots of head space and massive hvac to deal with the heat.
I have a question do the solisteks run off hi or low frequency, and is there any issue with cable companies or FAA due to fugitive rf stray signals? As I know this was a problem for the early models of digital ballasts due to lack of shielding.
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