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Buddy: That is ridiculous. I have a feeling they are being overwhelmed with returns of their faulty units. On one hand, I'd encourage you to tell the company that you are expressing your problems on this very popular forum, as your story has turned me off of their product and I'm sure many, many others. But to counter that, I'd be slightly afraid to give them info that you're at this forum because they could use it against you with legal threats or some bullshit like that. Not sure. I just have a feeling that telling them how widely their failure and poor customer service is being shared on a hugely popular forum would get their butts in gear.

Good luck, man. Hopefully you have backups and aren't losing too much money because of all this.
 
Love my Quantum Ballast.

They do put off some interference. Screws with my computers mouse and if i plug my hanna meter into the same plug with a quantum,it will make my Hanna go haywire.

still like Quantums and have had no bulb issues
 
Nice Old Dirty. That is strange that it messes with your mouse lol
 
I have had great luck with LumaTek and b n that with a 1000w you get 1000w,superlumens,and a 750w and 600w ballast all in one.
Plus you get 1000w for $300 shipped all day on ebay.

Good that you like em and they work for you, but they really suck bad compared to Quantums IMHO. I can get a 1000 Quantum for 285 locally, so I guess that beats out the Lumatek that is inferior, yet more expensive. What a paradox! :party0042:

Oldschool, don't have my meter, it's at work locked up with my tools, but it was 50% of full run current at the 50%, 75% at the 75. Don't know if it is a "true" digital, not a electronics guy, more the guy who gets the power to your electronics (industrial electrician). I know that everyone who has bought Quantums due to my recommendation are pleased with their purchase, and end up buying more. I've also not seen nor heard of Quantums needing to be returned or replaced nowhere near as much as other brands, especially Lumatek.

First to the punch doesn't necessarily mean you win, that analogy applies well to Lumatek and Quantum. :joint:
 
cut to the chase on the 1k digitals

Quantum said:
Like everything new and exciting there is a downside. Many companies eagerly came out with technology too quick that has not been tested in real life gardens. Many of these ballasts cannot stand up to the atmospheric demands that gardeners put on their equipment. This has led to high failure rates amongst our competitors. These failures include RF (radio frequency) interference, burnt circuit boards, and faulty cord ends.

We have found that our competitors ballasts that have this function are actually harming the bulbs that they are running and shortening the life span of those bulbs. We have found that also with running a ballast at 110% output increases the ballast temperature greatly and is ultimately shortening the lifespan of the circuit board and the ballast overall.


^ from Quantum's website ^



1000 watt Quantums are and have been since they hit the market the most reliable digital ballast period !


i "hear" first hand from store owners that the newer model 1k Lumateks have a very low failure rate ?

i like what i see with the new Hydrofarm Phantoms but until all these newer digitals have been long proven in all types of gardens for some period of time < forget about it !



If you gonna run a 1k digi, why would you want to chance it by not using a Quantum



good luck to those gambling on other 1k's



:animbong:
 
Digital ballasts pop Hortilux light bulbs. You have to use a standard HPS or Agro bulb. If you want to burn sweet Horti's you have to go old school and get the TRIED and TRUE magnetic...

Please refer below, as I will do my best to explain how horribly inefficient magnetic ballasts are.

Yes, U are not dimming the pwr to the ballast U are only dimming the bulb (just a bulb dimmer) 600watt ballast set at 400 U will still pull 600watts in pwr- Fact ! (probably 660watts) E-ballast never advertise in that U will save in pwr cumsumptions with this feature, it utliized pwr better, selecting lower wattage does not mean U are saving pwr being used.
Sorry to tell U that, but I also misread when they 1st came out, 1st time I plugged it in and went through it s setting, that when I realized Iam not saving money on the lower setting, its just a bulb dimmer, sorry!!
Still E-Ballast are great, money well invasted, dimm or no dimm.
Peace
U have a set ampe draw, depending on which voltage U are running 120/240 volts it does not give variable draw (ampes)for each setting, constantly same draw, hope that helps

This is literally to each their own. How a company designs the ballast and how the dim feature works is going to be there own build. I will lightly cover this below with a formula. It doesn't mean that a particular ballast does it that way.

I thought I would bring this up while thinking of it, when I was looking into e-ballast I noticed that NexGen ballast uses a CPU as to Lumatek some others a Micro Processor. My understanding the nexgen cpu constanly is monitioring the condition of the bulb and makes any adjustments to give constant highest output possable. Lumateks new generation micro Processor vs the older ones, basically suppose to do the same as a cpu.I think the cpu-ed ballast would be alittle better. It was a big tose up between Lumatek or Nexgen, reason I settlled for lumatek, I new hydro store open, I was thier 1st cumstomer so they gave me a pkg deal with a Ushio opt red bulb and threw in the Hydofarm light cord adapter, and of course I liked the dimming option (I didn't read it throughly as I should have) and no fans like nexgen, although the fan it looks pretty simple to replace if U had too. Iam happy with my lumatek. I thought I would pass this by to U-folks. If these issues are important to U,its certainly worth checking them out.

Peace

Theres an article in the new hightimes i think(new) and another mag i cant remember the name of that has an article that says Sunpulse lamps are the only bulbs that are truly compatible with digi/electro ballast.The hightimes article even states that hortilux themselves tested and found their own bulbs among others to be incompatible with the high frequency of digi/electro ballast.They admit that in this test the Sunpulse was the only bulb to be compatible.this is why bulbs have such a short lifespan when compared to mag ballast.Also they state that HPS is altogether not compatible with these new ballast especially.Theres an article also in the October 2008 issue of Maximum Yields mag.I havnt read it(max yields article) myself but the HT article references it.

It is not the ballast that has changed, it is the bulb. My guess in an effort to make a brighter bulb they changed the voltage required to fire up. You can't make a new product that isn't compatible with others and claim it is.

Don't think for a second Hortilux didn't know what they were doing when they sold a bulb for $100+ to retailers that cost them $5 to purchase by the 10's of thousands and didn't warn the industry likewise.

The difference between Magnetic Ballasts and Digital Ballasts is rather simple.


Magnetic Ballast cycle the bulb on 50-60 times a second.
Digital Ballast cycle the bulb on 40,000 times a second.


Good that you like em and they work for you, but they really suck bad compared to Quantums IMHO. I can get a 1000 Quantum for 285 locally, so I guess that beats out the Lumatek that is inferior, yet more expensive. What a paradox!

This is very subjective. There are pro's and con's either way.

It sounds like the Quantum's are a really nice ballast based on comments from people. It is important to remember that most of the recent ballast issues are not the fault of the ballast manufacturers, but rather Hortilux not staying within in standard manufacturing practices. Now you see why it is important for an industry to be standardized in its applications.

I have a friend who runs 12,000 watts with Lumatek (Digital) and has no problems at all with them. They do get hot (to touch) but that is by design. One of the main reasons I didn't go with them. I am not a fan of the "heatsink" design. If you look at the "Amp" industry for car audio, you will see a lot of these designs too. It makes them large and bulky and inefficient from a cooling stand point. I prefer a cooling fan on any electronics that has a constant heat load.

I posted this in another post, so I will repost it here:

Some basic stuff:
AC power fluctuates and is short for alternating current. A magnetic ballast is only as effect as the current that is applied to it.

(Power = Voltage X Current)

A magnetic ballast is a linear device, if the power changes so does the output of the ballast. Since power constantly fluctuates you have a constant uneven powerband effecting the ballast, power typically fluctuates 10% on local grids throughout the day, with many other factors that can effect that further, i.e. neighborhood power draw, business power draw, peak power, weather, quality, age of the: wires, building, home; just to name a few.

For example, say the 240v line fluctuates (208v/240v) and drops just 20v to 220v, the ballast has just lost 20% of its effective power output, if it drops to 210v, that is a 30% drop, thus "dimming" the light. Everyone has probably experienced extreme versions of this during storms or windy days, when the lights in your home suddenly dim. Recently in the summers, a lot more people will run A/C and voltage can drop to 180v!

This is where the claim that certain brands of digital ballasts are 20%-30% brighter than magnetic ballast.

With a Digital Ballast, you do not have these fluctuations. It is a constant 1000w of output at all times. The ballast acts as a voltage regulator. Digital Ballast are so efficient they even require a lot less power to operate.

Digital Ballasts are capable of a powerfactor of 99.9%. What does that mean? The ballast itself only requires 1% to power itself. VERY EFFICIENT. The Quantum 1000w Ballast only uses 10w to power itself and my NextGen only requires 30w.

The powerfactor in a magnetic ballast this will be much lower, most cases it will be 70-85%. Meaning it will take 150w-300w just to power a 1000w ballast! $50/m just to power 4kw ballasts at 8 cents per kw/h at 18 hours a day. If you are at commercial application of 30k watts, thats $400/m!

The same with digital ballasts? $5/m to power 4kw. Commercial 30kw? $39/m.

Now multiply that by 4 months, because the rest of the year will be on a 12 hour cycle, not 18. To get an idea of per year expenses.

I purchased (4) NextGen Digital Ballast, the reasons I went with them was that they have a built in fan for cooling, they are about 1/3 the size of a lumatek/quantum, LED's, cool start, CPU, 13 universal lamp receptacle, up to 65' bulb cable and they have a powerfactor of 97%. Among many other features that were important to me. I paid $280 shipped each off ebay.
 
Buy a Kilo-Watt Meter

Its a glorious day out, sun out, warmed up a little, 36 deg,19 last ngt. I have alot to clean up,in my back yard.
Got to thinking about this forum thought Why not purchase a "KILO-WATT METER" seen them for $ 16 to $30 dallors only seen 120volts but 15ampers (poratable tye) Easy solution, right? Gotta go!!

Peace
 
I have had issues with the 400w Lumatek.
Had mine for two years and then they failed.

The worst part is the warranty , big claims of 5 years, however it all depends which country you buy them from.

In New zealand, a company called switch on gardner will only warranty them for 1 year which is a joke , especially when you see all the claims of instant replacements on the internet.

Trying some Sunny ballast and seem just as good a lumtek at 1/2 the price.
 
I have had issues with the 400w Lumatek.
Had mine for two years and then they failed.

The worst part is the warranty , big claims of 5 years, however it all depends which country you buy them from.

In New zealand, a company called switch on gardner will only warranty them for 1 year which is a joke , especially when you see all the claims of instant replacements on the internet.

Trying some Sunny ballast and seem just as good a lumtek at 1/2 the price.
 
I have 2 1k watt Lumateks that have been running well and the grow shop says bring it in if I have any probs for 5 years.

Yes, U are not dimming the pwr to the ballast U are only dimming the bulb (just a bulb dimmer) 600watt ballast set at 400 U will still pull 600watts in pwr- Fact ! (probably 660watts) E-ballast never advertise in that U will save in pwr cumsumptions with this feature, it utliized pwr better, selecting lower wattage does not mean U are saving pwr being used.
Sorry to tell U that, but I also misread when they 1st came out, 1st time I plugged it in and went through it s setting, that when I realized Iam not saving money on the lower setting, its just a bulb dimmer, sorry!!
Still E-Ballast are great, money well invasted, dimm or no dimm.
Peace
U have a set ampe draw, depending on which voltage U are running 120/240 volts it does not give variable draw (ampes)for each setting, constantly same draw, hope that helps

This is right from the Lumatek website:
"The new Dial-A-Watt Lumatek™'s are also capable of dimming. Dimming your lamps can be a great way to deal with heat issues in your garden and to help control your electricity bill. All Lumatek™ ballasts can be dimmed down to 50%. Please note that both the input and output power is changed when the ballast is dimmed."
 
The best period

Quantum digitals are the best, hear is the low down: Only ballast that im aware of to be UL listed and fully compliant with all 18 FCC Rules & Regulations. Next Gens get returned because the circut brakers blow out on them and the cord ends melt off if you have environmentall issues. NO ELECTRIC COMPONENT LIKES MOISTURE!!!! That very quite little fan will also help keep unit dry if moisture is present in room, thats why Galaxy added fan to there unit 2 years ago. The quantum also doesnt send off a Radio Frequency. IE if you have more than 8 Galaxy's 1K's in one location you haft to have the ballast a foot away in all directions from each other or the frequencys fuck with each other. Email the guy who makes Horti-Control Flip Boxes or PowerBox Lighting controllers, both of those guys know alot about lighting and would reconmend the Quantum over any other ballast hands down.
 
It seems from what I've been reading that the older model Lumateks had problems but the newer models are pretty reliable. Is it possible that they've addressed their problems and are now dependable?

How do the Quantum, Lumatek, NextGen, Galaxy compare with each other as far as reliability?
 
"MountainDank" post 12-03-09litter warmer
Dimmable ballasts draw less power when dimmed. A 1000W ballast at 50% brightness will only be drawing 500W. Where else would all that energy go?
The older dimmers went into producing heat(wasting elec),as to why some dimmer unit's got warmer with lower settings,as to why I had some concerns about my Lumatek, I have noticed the unit does gets a littler warmer at lower settings. Although I have found this web-site that does say pwr usage is saved by lower settings, its from marine depot.com (cant post the site-
forum rules)State's 250watt Dimmable Lumatek Ballast-here's the-cut & paste from the site-2nd Paragraph

Electronic Ballast vs E-Ballast
The Lumatek ballast is an E-ballast, unlike other brands on the market, which are actually electronic ballasts. E-ballasts use a microprocessor similar to a component found in a personal computer. This microprocessor allows the E-ballast to run either halide or sodium lamps, to switch between 50 and 60 hertz, to make adjustments for the type of bulb it is running, and even to compensate for degraded lamps by increasing its output. Electronic ballasts have a constant output and cannot make adjustments or changes. They will light a MH lamp; but quickly cause it to degrade, thus shortening the lamp`s lifespan. Lumatek ballasts are programmed to allow for a `soft start` and do not require an initial power surge to start the ballast. This allows end users to start multiple ballasts simultaneously without blowing a breaker. The ballast will also detect a short in the wiring or a defective lamp. It simply shuts itself off, letting the user know that something is wrong. This should be kept in mind if you have a customer whose ballast keeps shutting down. In most cases, there is a problem with the output wiring.
#2 SURFACE TEMPTURE
All digital ballasts produce the same amount of heat due to the total heat output. Do not be fooled by inferior units that use fans. These fans do not make the units run cooler. They simply exhaust the heat into the room. Each unit is tested at the factory for 12 hours with the lamp 6 inches from the unit. We are currently testing a new Mosfet that will lower the running
temperature of the 120v unit. The Mosfet is the power supply circuit. It transforms the input electricity to the correct current and voltage for the ballast. This is the most important part of the electronic ballast and makes a huge performance difference.

I believe marine depot is a retailer but sounds they have conducted thier own test?? Looking better the more I look into this, I was skeptical at first, still like to see actual cost dif-like lower setting in veg per month-then higher in
flower/per month- I still havent purchase a kilo watt reader-money going else where.
Thanks,"Quitter" that is very encouraging with U using Kilo Watt meter,that sounds great!

HEY, "MOUNTAINDANK"
Can U please explain to me about the "Dimmable Lumatek Ballast" being called "Multi Volts" now or is this a completely a dif from the new dimmable ballast like I have-just a name change? I would be not happy with Lumatek if this is a completly new ballast to dimmable.I have been looking to replace my 250w mag with 250w E Ballast. I will only pay extra for dim only if it really saves on pwr on lower settings,this would be perfect for when I start my young garden especialy now knowing it save cost,but like to see statement from the manufactor of the ballast,just to put my mind at ease.I also came across where a group,did a test on dimmable balllast not for pwr usage,but I stress placed on the bulb being over 100k hz (ouch!!) when set at 60%, Lumatek 1000w was one of them.I cant remember the results of other brands,but they did say results showed all dim ballast on the market right now were very dif from one to others,and all had pretty extreme readings
when set at dif dim setting & for right now there is no one bulb that covers in these ranges,there is not a bulb that even goes near 100k hz.So that means we probably will be hearing about new bulbs that will be match dim hz requirements. I spent 3hrs yesterday & 2hrs today looking for this site. hrs today looking for this site-still not found it.Certainly have learn some new things about dim ballast while researchin this topic.

http://hydroponicsdictionary.com/
This is a good site has Calaculator for UR nutrients ppm,what size bulb per sqft,co2,cost per watts totals,temp,etc
Sorry this was so long.

PEACE
 
Email the guy who makes Horti-Control Flip Boxes or PowerBox Lighting controllers, both of those guys know alot about lighting and would reconmend the Quantum over any other ballast hands down.

You must be joking, neither one of these guys has any electrical background. The Quantm being the better ballast has nothing to do with their so-called opinions.
 
im running ten lumateks with dual arc ihorts and reg HPS ihorts, finally had my first bulb go out a couple weeks ago. towards the end of its fifth cycle. all the lumateks/dual arcs are over my moms (running more hours a day) for the same duration and have YET to have a dual arc bulb go out, let alone a ballast...

ALL ON SUPER LUMEN SETTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

honestly i think 90% of digi ballast burn ups are due to input power and people fucking with the select a watt with the power on or unplugging the socket cord while the power is still being pushed to it, improper cool downs. typical idiot ass mistakes many people make when using HID lighting. then they go whining and crying back to the place they bought it from...

its electronics, the shit is hard to perfect, if it were you wouldnt be paying your electrician 100+ bucks an hour and spending 300+ dollars on a ballast, a lot of shit can go wrong thats REALLY not a design flaw, its shit you just cant do to a ballast.

treat the ballast right run them correctly and they will last, its just like anything else in the world, keep slamming your car door every time you get out, the latch is bound to break.
 
Love my quantums.
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hi !!
i run a lumatek 400/600 dim, any problem since 6 months... but when i read all the bad comments, all the problem about them i'm just a little beat lost and don't know what to think anymore... :worried
 
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