Thats great except I'm trying to go hydroponic, so I'm wanting to get some roots going before I plant them in the clay balls, and I never have trouble with the peat pots, 2 months ago I used the Root Riot cubes and I had 7 out of 10 germinate, but then 4 of those died, and they were very weak and spindly, the drag with the Root Riot cubes was they dry out really easily and after I planted them into the potting mix they floated when I watered! So had to jab a chop stick through all of them until the plants roots were strong enough. So I went back to the peat pots, maybe I just got them too wet. But I will go direct to dirt the next time I start a soil program, this week I'm starting up a DWC system.