Boomer's Ocean Grown 5k watt ScrOG Lab w/ c02

[HigherThenHigh]

100 dimes invested and you couldn't spend another $20 bucks on a table, and consider that saving money.. OK.. Again to each his own.. Rims on the bucket

 

[Bobby Smith]

100 dimes invested and you couldn't spend another $20 bucks on a table, and consider that saving money.. OK.. Again to each his own.. Rims on the bucket

HTH, you got any pics of your setup or anything?

Just curious because you sound like a master grower and I think we'd love to see what YOU choose to spend YOUR money on so that we may critique.

And $20 for a table? WTF? A specially constructed 4x8 stand from a hydro manufacturer (you'd really have to put together two 4x4s since 4x8s are so hard to find) would've run him $200 per table, for a total of $400.

Or he can use concrete blocks which work as well if not better, and save himself about $390.

Sorry Boom, this little kid is just getting on my nerves.

 

[CelticEBE]

100 dimes invested and you couldn't spend another $20 bucks on a table, and consider that saving money.. OK.. Again to each his own.. Rims on the bucket

He is spending 100k on his warehouse setup. Not this one. Boomer has a LOT of time, energy and money invested in his current operation, but he is expanding.

I agree with Boomer totally though. Spend money where it needs to be spent at first and the other little things that don't matter so much you can improvise.

 

[Bobby Smith]

Hey Boom, if you get a chance can you talk about the efficiency of the cool coils?

I.e., with a "base" reservoir (the one cooled by your chiller) temp of 55-60, and using a pump sized X, the pump has to work for Y minutes pumping through the cool coil to drop your reservoir temp Z degrees.

Trying to figure out if it'd be worth the hassle of getting a cool coil and having my hose pump through that before the water would go through my Hydrogen CO2 generator and then get drained to waste.

Thanks man, appreciate it.

 

[stevi10623]

attain has been discontinued
ugg
damm govt:(

 

[Boomer242]

100 dimes invested and you couldn't spend another $20 bucks on a table, and consider that saving money.. OK.. Again to each his own.. Rims on the bucket

again.. nothing significant contributed to make wat u say of any importance.

Hey Boom, if you get a chance can you talk about the efficiency of the cool coils?

I.e., with a "base" reservoir (the one cooled by your chiller) temp of 55-60, and using a pump sized X, the pump has to work for Y minutes pumping through the cool coil to drop your reservoir temp Z degrees.

Trying to figure out if it'd be worth the hassle of getting a cool coil and having my hose pump through that before the water would go through my Hydrogen CO2 generator and then get drained to waste.

Thanks man, appreciate it.

-cooling coils seem to be efficient to me except the bullshit price of $150/pc for stainless bent steel. my pops is lookin in the hvac industry to get the same shit for like $10 cost cuz thats all its worth. ill be running 6 at the shop. i think overall splitting up a large hp chiller with several cooling coils is cost/power efficient and thats wat sold me on it. instead of buyin 1/2 hp chillers per rez/UC system and actually exchanging nute water thru each chiller. it will most likely get the coldest this way but the amount of btus being put off and total power being used is a lot more with multi chillers.

Chiller details;
1 HP eco chiller
10,000btu
4amp
1" intake/return tubing into the chiller.
-this tubing is connected to a 35 gallon Brute trashcan rez wrapped with insulation. tap water fills the rez and is cycled thru the 1hp chiller via 1" tubing. the chiller is "SET" to 50*
I have a lid over the rez with exact sized holes cut for all tubing and pump wiring. i have a sump pump pushing the rez water thru the chiller which continues to keep it cold and as close to 50* as possible.
Then i have another sub pump thats hooked up to 3/4" tubing that has been wrapped in insulation sleeving (u can get it at hvac distribution warehouses) and the tubing is ran up to the flower room. then the 3/4" is split with a "T".
-The cold line splits to the corresponding cold lines on the cooling coils. the water is pushed thru the cooling coil thus chilling the surrounding water in my flower room rez. then the lukewarm water exchange is returned via 3/4" tubing back down to the chiller 35gal rez and recycled thru the 1hp chiller and repeating the process 24/7.
Typically i see the flower room rez temp during dark period around 53-54*
Then with lights on its up to around 56-58* with a room temp of 75-80*
My flower room rez is not insulated and each is 70gallon.

hope this helps. im sure others were curious to how the process really works. i know i was before i bought the damn thing. everything i learn is mostly hands on and straight experience.

attain has been discontinued
ugg
damm govt:(

hmm havent heard that one yet. i was just at greencoast with a can of attain in my hand 4 days ago... sooo.. idk if they just dont care or wat. why is attain dropped but not the larger bomb made by the same manufactereur? pyrethum

 

[Boomer242]

Fall is here, the time is near...

Table 1;
Week 10 (milky white-amber trichs)
PH@ 5.6
Ran a week of;
Canna
Roots excel
Sweet
Overdrive
(No Macro nutes)
@ 700ppm

Now Table 1 will be flushed long for harvest next weekend.
Using; Final Phase, Overdrive, Canna, Sweet.
@300ppm
Then dropping everything and flush with straight RO water for the final few days.
I will be testing all runoff to judge when clean.


Table 2;
Week 8
PH @ 5.9
PPM @ 1000

-C02 lowered to 800ppm
-Temps; Day @ 75*-79* / 55%-60% R.H.
Night @ 64*-68* / 60%-70% RH
-Rez temps; Day @ 58*
Night @ 54*

Starting to see some purple. :pimp:

Table 1 has a lot of leaning going on. which is a good thing i supposed. also i picked off the dying plant matter to clean up the flowers.

The veg room seems to be doing pretty well.
Temps @ 74*-78* / RH @ 45%
All transplanted clones survived transplant shock. all new scions recovered and sprouted new internodes. we plan to take cuttings from them in 2 weeks. i went ahead and supercropped all the mothers. I will wait another week til the veg table clones show new internodes to be supercropped. I dont want to start too early and stunt them.

Been swamped with shit but productive. The shop is planned to be built out and ready for operation in 3-4weeks. I wont be starting right away with a full UC run since like bob mentioned; saving $100k takes time. :character0053:


Veg room;

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FLOWER ROOM

Table 1;


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Table 2;


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[Bobby Smith]

Thanks Boom, appreciate it - so your cool coils constantly have water flowing through them?

Ever plan on hooking up a controller to your pump so that you can dial the temps in and not have the pumps running 24/7?

 

[RMCG]

Always need water flowing through the chiller, so a pump is on regardless.

54* is a cold ass res.

 

[Bobby Smith]

Always need water flowing through the chiller, so a pump is on regardless.

54* is a cold ass res.

I understand that the chiller always needs a pump on so the coils don't freeze - I meant the pump(s) that feed the 25' stainless steel "cool coils" - once his remote reservoirs would hit 66F (or whatever number he's shooting for), the pumps would stop pushing water through.

Then when the temps got up to 68F (again, purely hypothetical here), the pumps would turn back on and bring the reservoir(s) back down to 66F.

BTW Boom, I've got a 50' cool coil on the way - $100 vs. $150, and it's twice as long so (in theory) it's gonna be much more efficient - the link is in my journal, but just PM me if you don't feel like looking for it.

 

[Boomer242]

Thanks Boom, appreciate it - so your cool coils constantly have water flowing through them?

Ever plan on hooking up a controller to your pump so that you can dial the temps in and not have the pumps running 24/7?

thing is with large equip that has a large amp draw, the power surge itself of turning on/off isnt worth it. its like letting ur house get hot (like 90-100) then turning on ur AC set to 70*. it puts alot more stress on the unit and has to work way harder to drop a room at 90+ down to 70*
-workin in hvac i was taught to keep the AC cycling and set at a certain maintainable temp so the ac can cycle on/off as needed to keep the room cool thus not working so hard and breaking down over time or using more power then needed.

the same concept is applied with a fridge if left open and the water chiller,
i dont want to let the chiller rez (sitting in a garage that gets 90*+ as is) to warm up to roomtemp then the chiller comes on and has to battle the temps again. if i keep the rez around 54* the chiller will keep it that cold and shut off (saving power) then coming back on when the water being pumped thru creeps above 54* etc.
So thats why i have decided to leave the chiller running. also prevents pathogens from growin in ur nute rez if the temp is always low.
hope this makes sense. just smoked a sample off the current og bubba and it did the job. im pretty stoked tho this round should produce better quality. im lookin forward to the smoke after a good curing.

Always need water flowing through the chiller, so a pump is on regardless.

54* is a cold ass res.

def right if u have the chiller on, always have water flowing. same for keeping water in a rez that has a submerbed pump in it thats on. dont wanna burn ur shit up. especially a $1000 chiller lol.

54* is the coldest ive tried to get it. i could prob go lower but dont see the reason. id be running temps reg flower period at 66-68* in the rez. but the reason i dropped the temp so low is for the last weeks of flower to bring out sum purps. which seems to be doin the trick.

 

[Boomer242]

Bump

if you guys missed this weeks flower update, click back a page to view photos and details. :banana:

 

[Bobby Smith]

Sorry Boom, yeah I saw the photos - I don't believe I've ever seen such healthy clones in my life.

Looking perfect.

What's up with the "claw" looking flowering table? You have a pH issue? Still looks dank, don't get me wrong.

All right, back to go put the finishing touches on my garage door before I panda........stoked on that :)

EDIT: and I hope I cleared up my thoughts on the chiller issue - a controller monitoring each remote reservoir would allow you to keep them at whatever temp needed and not just a few degrees over your "main" reservoir with the pumps running 24/7.

Just something to think about for your shop setup.

 

[Shady]

Saw the update yesterday, but didn't have a chance to post up Boomer... Just curious about your use of Roots Excelurator this late in flower... :wondering

Also, do you think we could get some money shots w/o the tungsten blue setting?

Btw, I'm interested in the cooling coil and chiller setup. Did you find the stainless steel coil tubing at a local shop?

 

[Boomer242]

Sorry Boom, yeah I saw the photos - I don't believe I've ever seen such healthy clones in my life.

Looking perfect.

What's up with the "claw" looking flowering table? You have a pH issue? Still looks dank, don't get me wrong.

All right, back to go put the finishing touches on my garage door before I panda........stoked on that :)

EDIT: and I hope I cleared up my thoughts on the chiller issue - a controller monitoring each remote reservoir would allow you to keep them at whatever temp needed and not just a few degrees over your "main" reservoir with the pumps running 24/7.

Just something to think about for your shop setup.

thanks bro ive been working on keepin my cuttings healthy and strong.

keep up the good work on ur setup bro im still waitin for the fire up. :rasta2:

thats prob the best way to describe it "claw" look. lol

table 1 has had so many issues. actually the whole damn room has lol. mites gnats, lumen shock, transplant shock, didnt scrog so they stretched hard, etc. but its all about living and learning. thats why im not trippin on these foos who roll thru saying stupid shit. considering this is my SECOND grow EVER indoors i think its a successful crop dispite my issues.

But the claw look i cant explain. it just is. theres nute burn on sum, heat stress, foxtailing, all kinds of shit. im just over this round and ready for the shop setup in a couple weeks. ill be doing what ure doing. all CONSTRUCTION 12hrs a day for 3 weeks right now. lol. my fiancee is hating me right now... lol :cool0044:

Saw the update yesterday, but didn't have a chance to post up Boomer... Just curious about your use of Roots Excelurator this late in flower... :wondering

Also, do you think we could get some money shots w/o the tungsten blue setting?

Btw, I'm interested in the cooling coil and chiller setup. Did you find the stainless steel coil tubing at a local shop?

I think i mite have typoed wat week im actually using it in. im not using roots the last two weeks of flower. when i do my updates, the specs PH/PPM etc, is all info from the previous week. mite be confusing the way i wrote it out. remember i dont judge my plants based on a weekly calendare schedule, i feed them based on wat they need and wat the trichs tell me. so im going into week 11 for table 1 and prob harvest table 2 around week 10. table 1 was stunted and behind so its not ripe yet. i learned that the hardway last round. -i pulled with sum clear trichs still. none were amber trichs which is wat i want/need for meds.

My photoperiod is 12am-12pm so usually by the time im done working, the lights are off already thats why i do the tungsten setting with lights off. ill get solid harvest shots next week before i pull. i need to go thru and clean up all the dead plant matter. been a while since i cleaned em up. were also doing a shoot for miss hightimes 2011 with this harvest.

regarding the cooling coils, bought them from an online distributor. theyre $150/each. Hydro Innovations makes the product and yes theyre stainless steel. dont use copper. hydro innovations knows that issue and thtas why they upgraded to stainless. i talked to my pops about makin a similar design but he thinks we can find the same shit in the hvac industry for dirt cheap so ill keep u guys posted. greencoast hydro doesnt carry the coils.

 

[Bobby Smith]

She's your fiancee now, huh? Congrats on that, seems like a good girl from what I know of her.

And yeah, you ain't lying about the fucking construction.............IT NEVER FUCKING STOPS!! I'm at my wits fucking end and haven't even started building the octagon yet.

Oh, and about the coils, Boom - did you see my post earlier? I got one twice as large (in theory, twice the heat transfer) from an online beer brewing place for $100 instead of the $150 you paid for 25'.

EDIT: Yeah, those clones are rad - so important to have healthy ones, which I'm (also) really trying to focus on right now. Shitty clones make shitty weed.

 

[Boomer242]

So Cal locals...

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CannaChemistry.com

 

[Boomer242]

She's your fiancee now, huh? Congrats on that, seems like a good girl from what I know of her.

And yeah, you ain't lying about the fucking construction.............IT NEVER FUCKING STOPS!! I'm at my wits fucking end and haven't even started building the octagon yet.

Oh, and about the coils, Boom - did you see my post earlier? I got one twice as large (in theory, twice the heat transfer) from an online beer brewing place for $100 instead of the $150 you paid for 25'.

EDIT: Yeah, those clones are rad - so important to have healthy ones, which I'm (also) really trying to focus on right now. Shitty clones make shitty weed.

haha i was wondering if anyone was gonna pick up on that. but thanks bobbo. i havent gotten to read ur journal yet regarding the coil find. i remember u mentioning the micro brewing industry. let me know how shit works out.

 

[A6 Grower]

ya congrats on the new chapter, i didn't even noticed it said fiancée till my girl pointed it out of coarse lol its funny ive seen here checking my subscribed threads a couple times. Cant wait to get a glimpse of that shop, i cant imagine how much work is involved im just trying to build a room in my new basement and its moving a little slow do to my procrastination lol. Nugs are lookin tight btw!

 

[Boomer242]

Cooling Coils

For those of you looking for cooling coils, i found another site selling larger chillers for 1/3 the cost of hydro innovations. bob actually mention micro brewery hobby industry as a good place to look. figured id share it with u. i dont know the efficiency so if sumone gets on plz share the results. im considering buying these especially since the stainless tubing comes up and bends over the edge of the bucket for clean install and hardpiping. hydro innovations has tubing that comes with it and isnt as clean looking to me. anyways heres the link

Cooling Coils Wort Chiller