Boycott Oaksterdam!

[kushpheen]

Before its officially placed on the ballot and given a name like prop 8, the signatures will have to be verified first.

 

[MT Farmer]

Don't just throw a blind vote behind this sht just because it is proposed as a legalization bill. As we all should know many bills are just to line pockets. Pretty clear which pockets in my opinion. Not pockets of small growers trying to support families and local patients in the community. Pockets of dispensary owners.

25sq ft would make most of us criminals wouldn't it? I'm glad I don't live in Cali but people like to try an model laws after california so that is always spooky.:confused0054:

This is a pretty stupid bill I think. I can't believe any grower that thought about it would say yes.

 

[MT Farmer]

Orgonic that is a wonderful name and Idea. That made me laugh my ass off. Ingenuity

 

[growhard]

After emigrating back to the USA after living abroad for 20 years, it has come to my attention that we should remove "In God We Trust" from our currency and replace it with "If it don't make money, it don't make sense".
Having said that, only two things are guaranteed in life... death and taxes.
So marijuana was introduced to our culture, and it made no sense to our (more recent) governing fore fathers, so they tried to kill it. It simply wouldn't die. Now here we are and there is only one way the government can deal with it.... tax the hell out of it.
If everyone grew in abundance and sold it for a nominal fee (like we are supposed to be doing), it would kill the market and the government would 'tolerate' it to some degree (like they do in Holland, where it is still not legal, just 'decriminalized'). Unfortunately this is not the case. Savvy self-proclaimed spiritual beings are now driving new Porsches and trying to maximize profits just like any other corporation.
One other gripe that I do have with the current system of dispensing medicine, is that it has absolutely no testing or regulation of safety regarding dangerous levels of heavy metal residues from improper flushing... to killer chemicals. How do we know that the "organic Toxic Purple Super Hazy Skunk OG" from your local dispensary hasn't got some DDT from an old farmer's 44gl drum from 30 years ago? What makes me shudder is that if there is so much money to be made, there is probably already commercial growers that don't and won't even smoke their own product! Think about how to solve this problem and you can see how 101 others problems will arise..... and for some strange reason, I feel Oaksterdam will benefit, as there is justice here for all... that can afford it.
One more point... if we want to do something about it.... a good place to start a petition would be right here!

 

[kushpheen]

One other gripe that I do have with the current system of dispensing medicine, is that it has absolutely no testing or regulation of safety regarding dangerous levels of heavy metal residues from improper flushing...

Well I know the harborside dispensary in Oakland is testing all of their medicine for molds and potency, I'm not sure if they test for heavy metal residues. I wish other dispensaries would follow their lead for the safety of all med patients. However, I'm not so convinced our gov't which allows corporations to repeatedly poison our environment will be the best source for reliable testing and safety standards concerning cannabis. Though I see a new oaksterdam business emerging, rich lee's statewide testing and safety certification process.

I would prefer not having the state or oaksterdam telling me how, when and where I could grow a plant.

 

[bcainw]

I invite you to read this complete bill and decide for yourself if this is a positive direction for our state and whether Richard Lee's cannabusinesses deserve our ongoing support. My thoughts on certain sections are quoted in double ((parenthesis)) and should not be construed by any means this bills acknowledgement of its shortcomings. On closer inspection, this bill does include some of its own comments in (parenthesis) my comments are clearly more sarcastic, sorry for any confusion.

The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

Title and Summary:

Changes California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed. Initiative Statute.

Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use. Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older. Prohibits people from possessing marijuana on school grounds, using it in public, smoking it while minors are present, or providing it to anyone under 21 years old. Maintains current prohibitions against driving while impaired. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local governments: Savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments on the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Unknown but potentially major tax, fee, and benefit assessment revenues to state and local government related to the production and sale of marijuana products.

Section 1: Name
This Act shall be known as the “Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010.”

Section 2: Findings, Intent and Purposes
This Act, adopted by the People of the State of California, makes the following Findings and Statement of Intent and Purpose:
A. Findings
1. California’s laws criminalizing cannabis (marijuana) have failed and need to be reformed. Despite spending decades arresting millions of non-violent cannabis consumers, we have failed to control cannabis or reduce its availability.
2. According to surveys, roughly 100 million Americans (around 1/3 of the country’s population) acknowledge that they have used cannabis, 15 million of those Americans having consumed cannabis in the last month. Cannabis consumption is simply a fact of life for a large percentage of Americans.
3. Despite having some of the strictest cannabis laws in the world, the United States has the largest number of cannabis consumers. The percentage of our citizens who consume cannabis is double that of the percentage of people who consume cannabis in the Netherlands, a country where the selling and adult possession of cannabis is allowed.
4. According to The National Research Council’s recent study of the 11 U.S. states where cannabis is currently decriminalized, there is little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions and the rate of consumption.
5. Cannabis has fewer harmful effects than either alcohol or cigarettes, which are both legal for adult consumption. Cannabis is not physically addictive, does not have long term toxic effects on the body, and does not cause its consumers to become violent.
6. There is an estimated $15 billion in illegal cannabis transactions in California each year. Taxing and regulating cannabis, like we do with alcohol and cigarettes, will generate billions of dollars in annual revenues for California to fund what matters most to Californians: jobs, health care, schools and libraries, roads, and more.
7. California wastes millions of dollars a year targeting, arresting, trying, convicting, and imprisoning non-violent citizens for cannabis related offenses. This money would be better used to combat violent crimes and gangs.
8. The illegality of cannabis enables for the continuation of an out-of-control criminal market, which in turn spawns other illegal and often violent activities. Establishing legal, regulated sales outlets would put dangerous street dealers out of business.
B. Purposes
1. Reform California’s cannabis laws in a way that will benefit our state. ((and oaksterdam)):cash
2. Regulate cannabis like we do alcohol: Allow adults to possess and consume small amounts of cannabis.
3. Implement a legal regulatory framework to give California more control over the cultivation, processing, transportation, distribution, and sales of cannabis.
4. Implement a legal regulatory framework to better police and prevent access to and consumption of cannabis by minors in California.
5. Put dangerous, underground street dealers out of business, so their influence in our communities will fade.
((oaksterdam doesn't need any competitors))
6. Provide easier, safer access for patients who need cannabis for medical purposes. ((easier? try cheaper))
7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city’s limits remain illegal, but that the city’s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
9. Tax and regulate cannabis to generate billions of dollars for our state and local governments to fund what matters most: jobs, healthcare, schools and libraries, parks, roads, transportation, and more.
10. Stop arresting thousands of non-violent cannabis consumers, freeing up police resources and saving millions of dollars each year, which could be used for apprehending truly dangerous criminals and keeping them locked up, and for other essential state needs that lack funding.
((Implement a legal regulatory framework to better police and prevent access to and consumption of cannabis by minors in California.)) ((just what we need more police investigating marijuana crimes))
11. Allow the Legislature to adopt a statewide regulatory system for a commercial cannabis industry.
((the oaksterdam model))
12. Make cannabis available for scientific, medical, industrial, and research purposes.
13. Permit California to fulfill the state’s obligations under the United States Constitution to enact laws concerning health, morals, public welfare and safety within the State.
14. Permit the cultivation of small amounts of cannabis for personal consumption.
C. Intent
1. This Act is intended to limit the application and enforcement of state and local laws relating to possession, transportation, cultivation, consumption and sale of cannabis, including but not limited to the following, whether now existing or adopted in the future: Health and Safety Code sections 11014.5 and 11364.5 [relating to drug paraphernalia]; 11054 [relating to cannabis or tetrahydrocannabinols]; 11357 [relating to possession]; 11358 [relating to cultivation]; 11359 [possession for sale]; 11360 [relating to transportation and sales]; 11366 [relating to maintenance of places]; 11366.5 [relating to use of property]; 11370 [relating to punishment]; 11470 [relating to forfeiture]; 11479 [relating to seizure and destruction]; 11703 [relating to definitions regarding illegal substances]; 11705 [actions for use of illegal controlled substance]; Vehicle Code sections 23222 and 40000.15 [relating to possession].
2. This Act is not intended to affect the application or enforcement of the following state laws relating to public health and safety or protection of children and others: Health and Safety Code sections 11357 [relating to possession on school grounds]; 11361 [relating to minors as amended herein]; 11379.6 [relating to chemical production]; 11532 [relating to loitering to commit a crime or acts not authorized by law]; Vehicle Code section 23152 [relating to driving while under the influence]; Penal Code section 272 [relating to contributing to the delinquency of a minor]; nor any law prohibiting use of controlled substances in the workplace or by specific persons whose jobs involve public safety.
((plenty of new crimes to keep police happily distracted from tackling serious crimes))

Section 3: Lawful Activities
Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read:
Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:
(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individual’s personal consumption, and not for sale.
(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.
((25sq ft? next you'll tell me how I have to grow))
(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.
(iv) Possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and materials associated with activities permitted under this subsection.
(b) “Personal consumption” shall include but is not limited to possession and consumption, in any form, of cannabis in a residence or other non-public place, and shall include licensed premises open to the public authorized to permit on-premises consumption of cannabis by a local government pursuant to section 11301.
(c) “Personal consumption” shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis:
(i) possession for sale regardless of amount, except by a person who is licensed or permitted to do so under the terms of an ordinance adopted pursuant to section 11301 ((except for licensed oaksterdam employees))
(ii) consumption in public or in a public place;
(iii) consumption by the operator of any vehicle, boat or aircraft while it is being operated, or that impairs the operator;
(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.

Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls
Notwithstanding any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following:
(a) cultivation, processing, distribution, the safe and secure transportation, sale and possession for sale of cannabis, but only by persons and in amounts lawfully authorized;
(b) retail sale of not more than one ounce per transaction, in licensed premises, to persons 21 years or older, for personal consumption and not for resale;
((1 whole ounce WOW how generous))
(c) appropriate controls on cultivation, transportation, sales, and consumption of cannabis to strictly prohibit access to cannabis by persons under the age of 21;
(d) age limits and controls to ensure that all persons present in, employed by, or in any way involved in the operation of, any such licensed premises are 21 or older;
(e) consumption of cannabis within licensed premises
(f) safe and secure transportation of cannabis from a licensed premises for cultivation or processing, to a licensed premises for sale or on-premises consumption of cannabis;
(g) prohibit and punish through civil fines or other remedies the possession, sale, possession for sale, cultivation, processing, or transportation of cannabis that was not obtained lawfully from a person pursuant to this section or section 11300;
((Fines, we don't have enough of those already))
(h) 'appropriate controls' on licensed premises for sale, cultivation, processing, or sale and on-premises consumption, of cannabis, including limits on zoning and land use, locations, size, hours of operation, occupancy, protection of adjoining and nearby properties and persons from unwanted exposure, advertising, signs and displays, and other controls necessary for protection of the public health and welfare;
((who deems what is appropriate?))
(i) appropriate environmental and public health controls to ensure that any licensed premises minimizes any harm to the environment, adjoining and nearby landowners, and persons passing by;
(j) appropriate controls to restrict public displays, or public consumption of cannabis;
(k) appropriate taxes or fees pursuant to section 11302;
(l) such larger amounts as the local authority deems appropriate and proper under local circumstances, than those established under section 11300(a) for personal possession and cultivation, or under this section for commercial cultivation, processing, transportation and sale by persons authorized to do so under this section;
(m) any other appropriate controls necessary for protection of the public health and welfare.

Section 11302: Imposition and Collection of Taxes and Fees
(a) Any ordinance, regulation or other act adopted pursuant to section 11301 may include imposition of appropriate general, special or excise, transfer or transaction taxes, benefit assessments, or fees, on any activity authorized pursuant to such enactment, in order to permit the local government to raise revenue, or to recoup any direct or indirect costs associated with the authorized activity, or the permitting or licensing scheme, including without limitation: administration; applications and issuance of licenses or permits; inspection of licensed premises and other enforcement of ordinances adopted under section 11301, including enforcement against unauthorized activities.
(b) Any licensed premises shall be responsible for paying all federal, state and local taxes, fees, fines, penalties or other financial responsibility imposed on all or similarly situated businesses, facilities or premises, including without limitation income taxes, business taxes, license fees, and property taxes, without regard to or identification of the business or items or services sold.

Section 11303: Seizure
(a) Notwithstanding sections 11470 and 11479 of the Health and Safety Code or any other provision of law, no state or local law enforcement agency or official shall attempt to, threaten to, or in fact seize or destroy any cannabis plant, cannabis seeds or cannabis that is lawfully cultivated, processed, transported, possessed, possessed for sale, sold or used in compliance with this Act or any local government ordinance, law or regulation adopted pursuant to this Act.

Section 11304: Effect of Act and Definitions
(a) This Act shall not be construed to affect, limit or amend any statute that forbids impairment while engaging in dangerous activities such as driving, or that penalizes bringing cannabis to a school enrolling pupils in any grade from kindergarten through 12, inclusive.
(b) Nothing in this Act shall be construed or interpreted to permit interstate or international transportation of cannabis. This Act shall be construed to permit a person to transport cannabis in a safe and secure manner from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county pursuant to any ordinances adopted in such cities or counties, notwithstanding any other state law or the lack of any such ordinance in the intervening cities or counties.
(c) No person shall be punished, fined, discriminated against, or be denied any right or privilege for lawfully engaging in any conduct permitted by this Act or authorized pursuant to Section 11301 of this Act. Provided however, that the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected.
(d) Definitions
For purposes of this Act:
(i) “Marijuana” and “cannabis” are interchangeable terms that mean all parts of the plant Genus Cannabis, whether growing or not; the resin extracted from any part of the plant; concentrated cannabis; edible products containing same; and every active compound, manufacture, derivative, or preparation of the plant, or resin.
(ii) “One ounce” means 28.5 grams.
(iii) For purposes of section 11300(a)(ii) “cannabis plant” means all parts of a living Cannabis plant.
(iv) In determining whether an amount of cannabis is or is not in excess of the amounts permitted by this Act, the following shall apply:
(a) only the active amount of the cannabis in an edible cannabis product shall be included;
(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);
(c) in a criminal proceeding a person accused of violating a limitation in this Act shall have the right to an affirmative defense that the cannabis was reasonably related to his or her personal consumption.
(v) “residence” means a dwelling or structure, whether permanent or temporary, on private or public property, intended for occupation by a person or persons for residential purposes, and includes that portion of any structure intended for both commercial and residential purposes.
(vi) “local government” means a city, county, or city and county.
(vii) “licensed premises” is any commercial business, facility, building, land or area that has a license, permit or is otherwise authorized to cultivate, process, transport, sell, or permit on-premises consumption, of cannabis pursuant to any ordinance or regulation adopted by a local government pursuant to section 11301, or any subsequently enacted state statute or regulation.

Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
Section 11361 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years.
(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.
(d) In addition to the penalties above, any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized, negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell, any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.

Section 5: Amendment
Pursuant to Article 2, section 10(c) of the California Constitution, this Act may be amended either by a subsequent measure submitted to a vote of the People at a statewide election; or by statute validly passed by the Legislature and signed by the Governor, but only to further the purposes of the Act. Such permitted amendments include but are not limited to:
(a) Amendments to the limitations in section 11300, which limitations are minimum thresholds and the Legislature may adopt less restrictive limitations.
(b) Statutes and authorize regulations to further the purposes of the Act to establish a statewide regulatory system for a commercial cannabis industry that addresses some or all of the items referenced in Sections 11301 and 11302.
(c) Laws to authorize the production of hemp or non-active cannabis for horticultural and industrial purposes.

Section 6: Severability
If any provision of this measure or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the measure that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this measure are severable.

I'm coming out with a petition for those against Richard Lee and his stupid Oaksterdam Initiative. Info on this and my MERP Model can be found here:

http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP.htm

 

[Doomsterx]

wow this is awesome i am so glad there are som many others in here that agree with me fuck oaksterdam and fuck legalization i like it being medical and decriminalized thats perfect now only if it was this way nation wide. if the shit became legal there would be weed mcdonalds and burgar kings everywhere and fuck think about the tabacco companies going to northern ca and buying massive amouts of land to just grow out mad amouts of bud and put them in a pack like cigaretts with no real attention paid to the bud and they will grow it so cheap and take over and put out all the people like us trying to grow a 4 lighter or something make a little cash selling to clubs and smoking bomb that we put personal time and care into. we would be out of bussiness oiut of our profits in anyway i live in oasterdam and we need more clubs in oakland thats for sure i hate on rich lee and his club i would love to sign these petitions against him there is alot more i have to say about this heated topic but ill safe it for those legalize it idiots with the clipboards in front of stores downtown that have no idea what there talking about they just hear legalize it and are all over it.
this is TOPHMASTER by the way on a buddys account havent been on in a while and dont remember my password but these are my views even though i am sure the buddys account i am using agrees with my opinions thanks everyone

 

[Doomsterx]

merp seems alot better to me still just medical on a fed level allow way more clubs and decriminalized if your non medical and i and many others i know will be happy without destroying the northern ca economy of growers in the emerald triangle it could go ok and be chillin and not over run and crazy monopolized and maybe the connisuership would still be there but its really a hard risk to take when things are pretty awesome in ca right now

 

[kushpheen]

Its officially on the ballot for November......

 

[Dubwobble]

The times they are a-changin'.

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.

 

[4EVERGREEN]

vote no!!! its not going 2 be legalized its going 2 be controled by big business, fuck oakstradam!!! how is it legal if we can only posess 1 oz or its a crime?? how is it legal if we cant grow at home?? its better now being medical they just lifted plant limits and weight limits!! why would i vote 2 take all that away??? if it passes the new bill will trump prop 215, we are loseing 2 much and gettn nothing back!!

think about it any1 can be medical in ca for $80-$120 you can grow at home without permits, you can grow as many plants as your dr recommends, you can have as much tree as your dr recommends, and you can sell some of your tree 2 get your cost of growing back!! now if this rich lee bill passes there will be no more medical, no more growing at home, all grows will br regulated, there will be a 1oz limit or its a crime, there will be no selling of more than 1oz or its a crime, big business will take over all of CA'S weed trade, it will cost thousands 2 get licences and permits, HOW IS THAT LEGAL?????? ITS NOT!!!! there wil be more ways 2 go 2 jail if it passes, vote no this bill is not for the people its for the goverment and big business! lets wait untill they make a bill that helps us

 

[4EVERGREEN]

i think we all need to get 2gether and have flyers made we need 2 pass them out at schools and retirement homes we need 2 spread the word 2 every1 from nor cal-sol cal, we should have special flyers made for schools- do you want your kids smoking weed?? and at retirement home- do you want people drivein while high???? if we the small growers all stick 2gether and really work we can really hurt this new bill!!!!!! we can each throw in a 100 and have thousands and thousands of flyers made, im sure some1 knows how 2 make a web site we can make 1 with the facts for growers and 1 for the public 2 scare them into voting no!! i cant pm yet i dont got 50 posts but i will soon get at me

 

[ghostfacegrower]

we need the laws to come down, i have mix feeling on this subject on one hand it is how many of us including myself make our livings and for some this is all we know. i myself have given EVERYTHING up for the plant that i love so much and no matter what they do or try to do to me i will never stop smoking and growing as long as i am free. i am ghost for a reason i have friends right now looking at long federal prison time the feds have destroyed my life and broken up my family more then one time. the whole system is corrupt beyond repair and now they want to take our jobs and the same ppl they lock up and fuck with they want to bail them out because they are going broke TAX thats all it is corruption beyond repair they TAX everything including air and now my bud fuck em to hell all of them. decriminalize it and leave us alone thats it thats all we want. let pot heads free drop any charges they have against ppl and go focus on real crime and eating donuts. to many pot ORPHANS is the real victims, moms and dads that cant see there kids that they love so much is the real crime, greedy vendors and corrupt politicians can go to hell.

OVER GROW EVERYTHING

 

[4EVERGREEN]

ghost i feel you 100 percent my brother just got 10 in the feds and his wife got 3years 8 months she just got out but they were doing way 2 much, i felt it first hand my mom had 2 on the spot take in there kids for 3 years straight!! and they seized everything they owned but like i said they were doing way 2 much, im a small grower i grow for myself and 2 other people it pays my bills and i donate the rest 2 older patients cancer patients and hiv patients, this new bill takes 2 much away from us and gives nothing back

 

[ncga]

I think it will hurt the med user the most - especially now that sb420 limits got chucked and law enforcement will be grasping at any way possible to limit you to what you can grow...

nc

That is the question I have and can not find the answer. Does anyone know how this bill if passed would affect 215 ? could Law enforcement and Da's saw that voters have now limited ALL growing to 25 sq ft ?

Big question

 

[The Joker]

And to 1 oz possession. It means that if you are a medical patient and need more than an oz you have to buy it from the people sponsoring the bill.

It's a green wash. The person who wrote prop 215 has come out against it. It's bad for med growers, it's bad for personal growers. It's good for smokers who don't want to grow and want to buy from oaksterdam and it's affiliates seeing $$$$.

It will pass too because people don't care enough to read the details. Especially stoners.

 

[grandaddypurple]

It will pass too because people don't care enough to read the details. Especially stoners.

This is what scares me, it will pass because people will think it will lead to the general legalization, but to be honest the quality is going to go down due to the fact that no doubt the demand will most likely rise.

From my experience it is possible to get GREAT bud flowers from dispensaries/co-ops/collectives just as it is to get from private sources. Although, growing your own seems to always be a winner when it all turns out right.

 

[4EVERGREEN]

we all need 2 spread the word!!! every1 tell 50 people 2 vote no because its a scam and tell those 50 2 tell 50 more and so on, if we start now we can hurt the bill!!!!!! we can not let this bill pass, like i said b4 we need 2 make flyers and spread the word!!

 

[Xrancher]

If Dennis Peron says it's a bad bill that's all that needs to be said. If it passes it will be one step forward and two backwards for the proponents of free and legal cannabis. Yes I've read it and it is definitely about taxation and control of the people. Why would you vote for prison time for a plant? Reeeee..ly...

 

[greenguy]

Maybe bitter sweet, but I am for it...definately a step in the right direction! It may end prohibition and thus bootlegging ;) but makes sense in my opinion. Personally I don't care how much mone richard lee makes...good for him