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Breeding for whorls

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#141
Hi alligator, I have that too with some branches, especially once they are mature and start alternating sometimes 2 of the 3 stay together on the same level. Once the internodes get shorter again and the bud starts to form they come together again on the same level:

P6 F2 M1H 2
 
#143
I'm trying not to be biased towards AAO but she's still my favorite and so far has everything I want. Hoping for a good amount of frost and a decent yield now. And no nanners of course.

P6 F2 AAO3

3 of the others in the tubes are more like the original chunk parents, as in huge trees. Thick stems but too stretchy. Need to top off my res every two days, they drink a lot.

Running 500ppm this round, a little more than usual, want to make sure I feed low by choice and they can actually handle more. So far so good. Some a little darker than I prefer but no light tips yet.

Done collecting pollen. Will pollinate buds over the next week. Going to use some pollen from the other two males as back up sort of, but M3 will be the main male I plan to use for the F3.
 
#144
Sativied said:
Thanks FlyJ :)
I have two similar plants I think will be sativa dom hazy (male and female) and the AAO with a matching male. Going to cross multiple males with multiple females and decide afterwards which seeds to use for next gen, and obviously I need to see how they all turn out but those pairs are begging to mate.
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OK bro Its Sunday I had to go back and carefully reread every post and see each loving caring path you were headed on and Its a great breeding project your doing, not only for the triwhorted pheno but your sheer determination to stay on AAO
I dig the Idea oh the Chunk Cantalope Haze (Did I say that right? )
and the twins P#6 F2 male and female mixing it up (AAO) priceless bro

By the way IMHO Im glad you set back up the tube station 6up right? you have that set up sooo good man
Cant wait to see the buds on the f2 and then pollinate what the @Sativied brings next . . . . . . .
Super great three leaf Vibes to ya
FlyJ
 
#145
Hey FlyJ, thanks again for the positive vibes man.

FlyinJStable said:
but your sheer determination to stay on AAO
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I still have 11 females but she's the one that's so determined to reproduce :) So far she's making it hard to prefer another over her. She's basically the CH (Cannalope Haze) structure wise but with the chunk's piney taste and strong smell. If she ends up being frosty and a little more chunky large buds than the CH she will have everything I could hope for. Still other candidates but the traits are more scrambled across those, so they will have to turn out much frostier or otherwise be much better than AAO for me to use another. I don't think it will be the biggest yielder, but if I would select that one (likely one of the trees) I increase the risk of selecting out the Chunk from the F2 rather than a cross with the best of both.

So far I think:

P6-F2-AAO x P6-F2-M3 is going to be the F3 I will grow out next.

P6-F2-AAO x CHxCH-tri is probably going to be the foundation for a backcross That new CHxCH tri turned out to be male, still growing out new CHxCH looking for a female tri-whorled as well. I prefer a female tri-whorled in particular (so I can cross many males back to it).

It's fun as well as important to think ahead but just starting to really flower, there's always a chance I will chance the plans slightly or even entirely. The female plant I called ugly earlier is turning out better and better, might end up being a swan. A couple of the females in tubes are replacements I added later so are more vegged during 12/12 and more stretchy, but may turn out exceptional frosty or whatever. The tallest one looks and smells as if it the chunk without any ch traits, and I'm not going for tall at all for this strain, but if it turns out to be hazy with the bud size I expect that tree to grow it may become the one.


FlyinJStable said:
By the way IMHO Im glad you set back up the tube station 6up right? you have that set up sooo good man
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Me too :) And yeah 6 plant sites. I still have 5 F2 in hempy and 1 Late Night again (even taller than last round) as well. Couple of nice ones in hempy and will pollinate some lower buds just in case they turn out to be exceptional in some way, but I already selected the best for the tubes so they'll probably end up just being fillers. Using only perlite in the buckets worked great, but in the smaller bottles they dry out too fast so they aren't in the same great shape as the ones in the tubes.

Late Night, last round it filled up better than expected but that cross needs a lot of work. Super frosty though, already has some big fat trichs on it, and it works well to compare the flower time (a little shorter than the CH and my other crosses, barely 8 weeks).
LateNight2
 
#146
*Whorlert*

CHxCH 45 tri 1

CHxCH 45 tri 2


Again from the CHxCH. Tri from 4th node. That's 3 out of the last 8 CHxCH. One male, other is alternating at some points (like the thumbnail in alligator's post), I hope this one will be a female. "She" is frosty :)

In addition to the two crosses mentioned in the previous post I obviously also want to pollinate a CHxCH tri with a CHxCH tri. Since I don't have a couple of dozen of whorlers I have limited selection options when it comes to other traits, so there's no point in vegging these out into large plants to observe other traits. Basically only trait I care about in the CHxCH is whorled phyllotaxy and there's obviously not a lot of variation in the CHxCH anyway, so I'm going to do these as a small side-project. I wouldn't feel good about sharing these so it'll be just breeding and (inheritance) testing stock.
 
#148
geologic said:
Sure see what I've been missin' out on,
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I get a similar feeling when I see your garden. Imagine having both indoor and a garden :hungry:

I use the seeds from the previous run instead of having clones ready for the next run so I do about 4 runs a year, but f I'd run perpetual (separate 400watt veg and transition setup) I could do a couple of more.

Why don't you grow indoor as well? Even a small setup with a handful of plants can still give you the joy of growing mj.
 
#149
Late Night is frosting up nicely, barely 3 weeks, dropped some pollen on her from the tall male I'm not going to use. Not sure why, not going to use the seeds. :)
Pregnant LateNight

One of the P6-F2 in hempy bottle, definitely pollinating this one too:

P6 F2 hempy

P6 F2 hempy frost
 
#150
From the start I had this kinda gut feeling I cant say what it is or why.....Just that where you are going with this is going to
make you Smile and hopefully a whole lota your friends where you are at..........
The future of your F4-5 is going to be EPIC, just wanted to say it 1st and know I will be sending the Positive triVibes To ya SatiMan.
I see::::::::
.............. AAO P6 (f4)...... Best crossed with ....... CHxCH f3 Male................ then Eureka . . . . . .Just a guess
Have a great Week
FlyJ
 
#151
Hehe not sure if I can live up to that but I do have a good feeling about this one. Although I obviously want good results it's more about the road to it, which I'm enjoying a lot. It's just fun to actually experience "F2". In particular the segregated traits and reappearance of recessive traits who's genes were dominated by others in the F1.

Largely coincidental but I've sort of ordered the plants from those that look more like the chunk (left) to this that are more like the CH.
Groupshot

(left in lower left is the tri chxch, right is one hempy)

The one with the most pistils, those 8 or so bud sites on the right in front (except the hempy plant in the right lower corner) is AAO. She together with the former ugly one, nr 22 (behind AAO, so right in the back), transitioned the fastest as well.

Nr 22 is looking great too though. I look forward to see how they fill up.

Left in the back is the largest one, while the main stem is bend halfway the closet. Clearly traits inherited from the chunk (some of those were giants too, CH is short). The one in the front left is the one I added in the tubes last so not a fair comparison.

This is the main budsite of the one left in the back. While it's tall as the chunk, its leaves are clearly more sativa dom. The chunk had those big overlapping flaps.
Giant

I don't think it will meet the specifications, not the combination of traits I set out for but might be an interesting one. It's already tall but also takes longer to transition so gets even taller.

So far the main variation seems to be in taste (some are pine some or more a mix with the CH), and plant structure, but the bud sites are starting to looking very very similar.
 
#152
Bottom line- is the Cannalope Haze worth growing and breeding with Haze hybrids? I need to expand my SSSDH lines..
 
#153
There certainly are hazy enough phenos to make a haze-dom hybrid yes. It has two phenos, the compact pheno and the more hazy/foxtail structure pheno, which is still done in less than 9 weeks. Whether it's "worth" it... I guess that depends on your specific goals. Short flowering time and the short structure (fast transition so not too much stretch), all very frosty as well. Strong effect too. If a spicy hazy hybrid, opposed to a fruity or sweet for example, is the goal then I think there are better choices.

One of the reasons I got it is because it's the grandparent of Chocolate Fondue, which is one of the, if not 'the', best I've grown and smoked. It smokes and tastes like haze, but the smoke itself smells like oldskool skunk.

I hope this helps.
 
#156
Just out of curiosity: How would they respond to toping? Lets say you manage to stabilize this kind of growth, would that mean that with single toping you would get three bud sites, with double topping nine and with triple twenty-seven? That would be some fun having your plants toped three times and have twenty-seven colas. I'm thinking some evil mainlining :D
 
#157
@Toaster79: search this thread for topping for some examples and notes about how they respond to topping, but in short, while in theory your math is correct, in practice not all branches or branches of branches become tri-whorled (not really my goal either), and by the time they create branches of branches of branches, they start alternating. Mainlining is not a fast way of vegging which sort of defeats an advantage of being tri-whorled. That said, getting more bud sites with the same amount of nodes is indeed a primary advantage. For example, if you top after 2 tri-whorled you obviously end up with 6 bud sites instead of 2x2.

geologic said:
I'm gonna have to--
gettin' too old to continue doin' it the way I do it...
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I can imagine you need to put a lot of hours in that beautiful garden. If I'd be closer by I'd come over and help you harvest. :D Should also be interesting to see how your own strain does indoor.
 
#158
But in theory this should work, right? That's why I said lets say you manage to stabilize this kind of growth since I read every single post in this thread and realized that it's not stable rather randomly alternating. But with crossing and back-crossing this might be feasible. I was thinking mainlining and preping a plant indoor and put it outside to grow into a monster. Also scroging would be mad with a single giant plant.
 
#159
Oh and yes I toped my plant at third node and when i looked at the cuts realized I made a giant fucking mistake. Fourth node was triwhorled. Never really expected to see such growth myself. With the second toping I would have had six budsites. Bummer!

+++++Vibes

Keep up the good work you do!
 
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