cal mag in budding?

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so i have some rust colored spots and im thinking its a cal mag def. um i was wondering if this is bad to use durinf flowering, i have botanicare cal mag plus, but its pretty high in nitrogen. should i try to give em a flush? like maybe i have a lockout. then feed the cal mag into my feeding schedule?

idfk. these spots are getting worse.
 
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How far into 12/12 are you ,weeks - or days ?

I run cal-mag+ till the 4th week in flower as part of my nute regime

A picture or 2 would help ,could get some of these pros advice then :cool
 
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im about 4-6 weeks into bud

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Imo, it looks like an iron deficency to me. to address that just throw in some rusty nails, bolts, screws etc.. in your water
 
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heres a link to a thread that can help you out bro!!
 
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4-6 weeks? mixed start times or you dont know? :) What strain? how long is flower time? Also what about your ph and medium? what nutes?

I get exact same thing as you- not sure what it is from, i think it is from ph drifting higher than some strains like or late flower cal mag or some other defficiency. If you are growing a 11 or 12 week strain can add some cal mag no problem. But would first try to lower the ph and flush. If it is 8-10 week strain would not use the cal mag past week 5 and i think you will be ok just take off the leaves that are real bad. is it just the older leaves?

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heres a link to a thread that can help you out bro!!

yeah ive read every sticky on this thread start to finish. it most resembled cal mag def.

and i just flushed today. i have no meter, and am using tap water for this run, i dont have the funds as of now for a meter or a RO, i have posted this in the infirmary also, i have more input over there.

i have mixed starting times yes. i put them in there as they got around 14" there are three strains i know nothing about. this is my first grow if i havent said this before.

they were put into bud 6-26-10 to 7-1-10 so right at 4 weeks.

the strains are blue dream, afgan goo, soul train.

the blue dream are the two plants showing these signs. they were flipped 7-1-10
 
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how could a i have a deficiency BECAUSE im using tap water?

tap water has trace minerals in it. if im feeding regularly it should be getting plenty!

unless there is something in the water that causes a lockout...

if this is the case what the fuck do i water with? lol
 
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its just good to buffer ur tap with cal mag bro... i had the same prob.. i use tap too.. lol.. no need to freak out.
 
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its just good to buffer ur tap with cal mag bro... i had the same prob.. i use tap too.. lol.. no need to freak out.

lol sorry i just curse a lot. not really that ate up over it. im just getting my feet wet with this grow.

is there a cal mag i can get that isnt high nitro that i can use into flowering?
 
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General Organics CaMg+ has no nitrogen. It also drops pH pretty hard.
how could a i have a deficiency BECAUSE im using tap water?

tap water has trace minerals in it. if im feeding regularly it should be getting plenty!

unless there is something in the water that causes a lockout...

if this is the case what the fuck do i water with? lol
Too much can be a bad thing, and it can cause lockouts, especially if pH is off.

If you can't test for pH or hardness, then the last suggestion is to go with nutes formulated for using with poor quality tap water. Or organic outdoors, for the win!

Try boiling the water for 7-10 minutes and see if you get a whitish mulm at the bottom. (Search Wikipedia on water hardness and you'll understand what I'm on about.)
 
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Hey jake, maybe try a foliar feed (I'm not sure what producto to use)...try not to soak the buds but get the leaves good. You could always do a flush with a light dose of calmag.
 
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i have test strips but there are for pools and the ph only goes down to 7. and its lower than that. the ppm is between 200-400 roughly.
 
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Get an inexpensive aquarium testing kit, at least. $25 would get you the Tetra Laborette kit, which tests pH and hardness--both general and carbonate. From those tests you can calculate CO2 saturation of the mix, but that's something I've never messed with. It also tests nitrogenous waste... NO2 & NO3 respectively I believe, but not sure. It leaves out one test and I think it's the ammonia (NH3/NH4). The only tests I've used on my kit are the hardness and pH tests. FAR more accurate.
 
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Get an inexpensive aquarium testing kit, at least. $25 would get you the Tetra Laborette kit, which tests pH and hardness--both general and carbonate. From those tests you can calculate CO2 saturation of the mix, but that's something I've never messed with. It also tests nitrogenous waste... NO2 & NO3 respectively I believe, but not sure. It leaves out one test and I think it's the ammonia (NH3/NH4). The only tests I've used on my kit are the hardness and pH tests. FAR more accurate.

okay ill try to get some tonight.

once i get these numbers what do i do with them? i mean i know i can adjust the PH but i dont know what CO2 saturation and all that means, or at least what it means for me and growing and what these numbers effect.

im all for learning, so if i can interpret these numbers and see something wrong then TEACH ME HOW!!!
 
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You don't need to know anything about the CO2 saturation levels, that's for growing freshwater plants in a CO2-dosing environment. What you want are the pH and hardness numbers, those will tell you where you're at, gives you a starting point. Then you go from there. pH being out of whack can not just mess things up, it can kill. Kills fish much more quickly (and completely, too), but it does bad things with plants, especially indoor-grown plants.

As for the hardness, you may need to filter or use storebought water. I live far from stores and the filtration I was using was insufficient for the amount of water I need, so I saved up and dropped for an RO/DI system. Before that I was boiling the water to help bring the hardness down, which helps you control pH much better. See, it's that hardness that keeps pH "stuck", so to speak. That's called "alkalinity" and it's a term that refers to the water's buffering capacity, or resistance to pH shift.

So, mostly you want to know how hard the water is that you're using for feeding, and you must know the pH so that you can ensure the plants can utilize the available nutrients. I don't post the pH--nutrient charts because not a one has shown any veracity, they seem to be more guesswork than anything else. I go by growers' advice.

You never said what medium you're growing in, at least not in this thread, or I can't remember. Medium and style (indoors versus out, chemical salts versus organic) dictates in large part how you have to work this and how much you have to worry about a given parameter.

If you're in soil and indoors using some chemical salt-based fertilizers then you want your feed solution in the mid-6 range as a general rule of thumb.
 
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You don't need to know anything about the CO2 saturation levels, that's for growing freshwater plants in a CO2-dosing environment. What you want are the pH and hardness numbers, those will tell you where you're at, gives you a starting point. Then you go from there. pH being out of whack can not just mess things up, it can kill. Kills fish much more quickly (and completely, too), but it does bad things with plants, especially indoor-grown plants.

As for the hardness, you may need to filter or use storebought water. I live far from stores and the filtration I was using was insufficient for the amount of water I need, so I saved up and dropped for an RO/DI system. Before that I was boiling the water to help bring the hardness down, which helps you control pH much better. See, it's that hardness that keeps pH "stuck", so to speak. That's called "alkalinity" and it's a term that refers to the water's buffering capacity, or resistance to pH shift.

So, mostly you want to know how hard the water is that you're using for feeding, and you must know the pH so that you can ensure the plants can utilize the available nutrients. I don't post the pH--nutrient charts because not a one has shown any veracity, they seem to be more guesswork than anything else. I go by growers' advice.

You never said what medium you're growing in, at least not in this thread, or I can't remember. Medium and style (indoors versus out, chemical salts versus organic) dictates in large part how you have to work this and how much you have to worry about a given parameter.

If you're in soil and indoors using some chemical salt-based fertilizers then you want your feed solution in the mid-6 range as a general rule of thumb.


im running straight roots organic soil in 5 gal buckets. Im using GenHydro FloraNova One part Grow/Bloom w/ bud candy and some Gen hydro ripening formula.

growing indoor. the temp says about 8* which i know isnt too good. RH stays right about 40-50. temps 75 lights off and 80-83 lights on.

i have a lot of air moving.
 
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