Kendallj24
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My plants fan leaves are already going lighter which makes me think that the plant knows when to stop taking in nutes? Right or wrong?week 7 starts tomorrow.after doing tons of research on flushing it has only made me more confused as to no one explained this directly.
Example, I’m growing organically (fox farm soils) and I rarely add any synthetic nutes. Some people say there is no need to flush organically but my big question that I need an answer to is why is that? Like does the plant just know when to stop taking nutrients from the soil knowing it’s life is ending? Because I still have over 1600 ppm left in the soil with less than 2 weeks away from harvest. So obviously it’s still going to be eating nutrients from the soil unless I flush all that out. So what do people mean by not flushing organics?
I agree, flushing isnt needed unless you are feeding way to much and have a salt buildup.I tried flushing / not flushing over the years and never really tasted or noticed that much of a difference, to be honest. So now i just split the difference and taper the amount nutrients for the last few weeks. I wouldn't overthink this aspect of growing but to each their own!
Interesting read, let me hit you with this.
I'm not sure I agree. How would you explain the yellowing of the larger fan leaves in flower? Feeding extra N has no effect on this, at least in my experience. Of course, the timing is strain/pheno dependent.The fact that you can have excess N shows you the plant can absorb more than it needs, and the fact that lack of N turns leaves yellow shows the plant consumes what is available until its no longer there.
By that logic alone this disproves the author to me personally.
I would explain it the same way that when you correct a deficiency you don't see the result in the old effected growth but in the new growth. What is done is doneI'm not sure I agree. How would you explain the yellowing of the larger fan leaves in flower? Feeding extra N has no effect on this, at least in my experience. Of course, the timing is strain/pheno dependent.
Interesting read, let me hit you with this.
Lack of nitrogen causes the leaves to turn yellow
Excess causes dark green leaves and the claw
You can go from 1 extreme to the other in 1 grow
The fact that you can have excess N shows you the plant can absorb more than it needs, and the fact that lack of N turns leaves yellow shows the plant consumes what is available until its no longer there.
By that logic alone this disproves the author to me personally.
The author also stated that white ash is a result of complete combustion of an organic material and the black ash is just incomplete combustion. Ask yourself why there is incomplete combustion, the simple answer is there is still inorganic material inside that has a different level of combustion than the organic host.
I can personally attest to the "chemical" taste and how harsh it hits the lungs from before I ventured down this path as compared to now it was literally the smoothest thing I've ever smoked by letting the plant deplete the excess inorganic material stored inside.
To answer the OP question I dont believe you need to flush organic grows for the simple fact that they are just that organic no foreign chemical is involved.
At the end of the day all science is and all it will ever be is best guess. My .02 sorry if you disagree
It was probably just that super overfed from someone trying to turn a profit hence the horrible taste and feeling. The fact that it is a chemical version of the nutrient is where I'm coming from. Chemicals aren't good for you I dont care how you skin that cat. Like I said thats my opinion you don't have to agree we can still debate and be friendsWhen you flush, why do the buds remain nice and green? Because the plant has a biological imperative to reproduce at any cost. The plant transports any nutrients is can to the buds. So unless you flush until the plant is stone dead, you've accomplished nothing. And funny, I don't see anyone flushing outdoor plants. And sugar with even a small amount of moister in it will not burn completely. It has nothing to do with inorganic material.
I sincerely wish we could meet up and test your claim about buds. I've made a fair amount of money with this bet. in ten years NO ONE has been able to tell the difference. Ohh maybe if it was bud from some really overfed plants, but from any plant grown in properly not a chance IMO.
And here's the question I've asked many, please tell me what "foreign chemical" might be in your nutrients? Seriously, I'd like to know. As I said, unless your using additives, of which most contain PGR hormones, I have no idea what those supposed "Nasty" or "foreign" chemicals are. The only non nutrient I've been able to find in nutrients is usually EDTA, which is also used a s a food preservative, and is widely used in the food industry. In nutrients, it is the catalyst that chelates certain micro nutrients like Iron, etc into it's ionic form, and the end results is exactly the same chemically as that created by bacteria.
Interesting read, let me hit you with this.
Lack of nitrogen causes the leaves to turn yellow
Excess causes dark green leaves and the claw
You can go from 1 extreme to the other in 1 grow
The fact that you can have excess N shows you the plant can absorb more than it needs, and the fact that lack of N turns leaves yellow shows the plant consumes what is available until its no longer there.
By that logic alone this disproves the author to me personally.
The author also stated that white ash is a result of complete combustion of an organic material and the black ash is just incomplete combustion. Ask yourself why there is incomplete combustion, the simple answer is there is still inorganic material inside that has a different level of combustion than the organic host.
I can personally attest to the "chemical" taste and how harsh it hits the lungs from before I ventured down this path as compared to now it was literally the smoothest thing I've ever smoked by letting the plant deplete the excess inorganic material stored inside.
To answer the OP question I dont believe you need to flush organic grows for the simple fact that they are just that organic no foreign chemical is involved.
At the end of the day all science is and all it will ever be is best guess. My .02 sorry if you disagree
Samples of the buds in flushed vs non flushed showed the exact same nutrient content in multiple studies. Deficiencies are alot more complicated than just having too much of it or not enough in the root zone. The majority of deficiencies have to do with pH and environmental factors (over watering, underwatering, etc.) affecting the ability for the plant to uptake a nutrient, not so much there being an actual lack of it in the root zone.
Damn, spitting out some hard facts! I fully agree with what all you saidFlushing is a myth and a waste of time for anyone not growing commercially. For a commercial grow it make sense when you don't have to pay for 2 more weeks of feed for 100,000 plants.... but all your really doing is starving your plants right when they need it to finish. It has absolutely no affect on taste of how the weed burns, that stuff is all BS. Example: your weed pops and crackles because there's too much Mg. Yeah right, Trying lighting a 20 PPM pile of Mg..... good luck! Popping and crackling are mites etc exploding when the water in their biodies turns to steam causing them to explode. And black ash is caused by incomplete drying and or curing, there is too much sugar remaining in the bud.
And as to "flushing out those nasty chemicals" will someone please answer me this: What chemicals?? If your not adding "bloom boosters" or "Bud hardeners", both of which are pure snakeoil, then you've put noting into the soil that is any different than what is made available by microlife in an organic grow. Elemental and mineral cations and anions are exactly the same regardless of the source.
So no, no need to flush, whether organic or not. and recent studies are saying pretty much the same. Real science trumps Bro science every time!
And I have $50 that says NO ONE can tell the difference between flushed and unflushed bud, or even organic bud vs nutrient fed.
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