Cellphone Carriers SELL your TEXT and TRACKING info to COPS, no warrant required?!?

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The more I read this article, the more alarmed I got! This does not 'imply' this article actually flat-out SAYS that cellphone companies have set up websites for police organizations to BUY YOUR TRACKING AND TEXT INFO, without a warrant! I mean WTF?!? Please donate generously to the ACLU as you can; after all, this proves no one else is looking out for our constitutional rights!

Link; Are the police tracking your calls?

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Editor's note: Catherine Crump is a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union's Speech, Privacy and Technology Project.

Catherine Crump
(CNN) -- Do you know how long your cell phone company keeps records of whom you text, who calls you or what places you have traveled? Do you know how often cell phone companies turn over this information to the police and whether they first ask the police to get a warrant based on probable cause?
No, you don't. Not unless you work for a cell phone company or a law enforcement agency with a specialty in electronic surveillance. You aren't alone: Congress and the courts have no idea either.
The little we do know is worrisome. The companies are not legally required to turn over your information simply because a police officer is curious about you. Yet wireless carriers sell this information to police all the time.
As far as the cell phone companies are concerned, the less Americans know about it the better.
Whom you text and call and where you go (tracked by your cell phone as long as it's on) can reveal a great deal about you. Your calling patterns can show which friends matter to you the most, and your travel patterns can reveal what political and religious meetings you attend and what doctors you visit. Over time, this data accumulates into a dossier portraying details of your life so intimate that you may not have thought of them yourself. In comparison with companies such as Facebook and Google, which collect, store and use our information in one way or another, cell phone companies are less transparent.
U.S. Rep. Edward Markey, co-chairman of the Congressional Bipartisan Privacy Caucus, recently requested that cell phone companies disclose basic statistics on how our personal data is shared with the government. Let's hope the companies are forthcoming -- but don't hold your breath.
To be sure, there can be legitimate reasons for law enforcement agents to track individuals' movements. For example, when officers can demonstrate to a judge that they have a good reason to believe that tracking will turn up evidence of a crime. But with a surveillance technique this powerful, the public has a strong interest in understanding how it is used to ensure that it is not abused. While the details of individual investigations can legitimately be kept secret, the public and our elected representatives have a right to know the policies in general so their wisdom can be debated.
Cell phone companies have long concealed these facts, and they're fighting vigorously to keep it that way. In California, the cell phone industry recently opposed a bill that would have required companies to tell their customers how often and under what circumstances they turn over location information to the police, complaining that it would be "unduly burdensome."
What little has come to light so far about the companies' practices does not paint a comforting picture. Addressing a surveillance industry conference in 2009, Sprint's electronic surveillance manager revealed that the company had received so many requests for location data that it set up a website where the police could conveniently access the information from the comfort of their desks. In just a 13-month period, he said, the company had provided law enforcement with 8 million individual location data points. Other than Sprint, we do not have even this type of basic information about the frequency of requests for any of the other cell phone companies.
The poorly understood relationship between cell phone companies and police raises grave privacy concerns. Like the companies, law enforcement agencies have a strong incentive to keep what is actually happening a secret, lest the public find out and demand new legal protections. More than 10 years ago, the Justice Department convinced the House of Representatives to abandon legislation that would have required law enforcement agencies to compile similar statistics, arguing that it would turn "crime fighters into bookkeepers."
The excessive secrecy has frustrated the ability of the American people to have an informed debate on just how much information police should have access to without judicial oversight or having to show probable cause. It has also prevented Congress and the courts from effectively addressing these intrusive surveillance powers. That is not how our system of government is supposed to work.
It would not be difficult for the carriers to tell customers how their data is collected, stored and shared. In fact, an internal Justice Department document from 2010, dislodged through a public records request by the American Civil Liberties Union, showed the data retention policies of all major carriers on a single piece of paper. The phone companies have all created detailed handbooks for law enforcement agents describing their policies and prices charged for surveillance assistance, a few dated versions of which have seeped out onto the Internet.
If the cell phone companies can provide this information to law enforcement agencies, they can and should provide basic information about their sharing of data with law enforcement to their customers, too. While law enforcement sometimes argues that making members of the public aware that cell phone companies can track them will make it more difficult to catch criminals, it is too late in the day for that argument now that cell phone tracking is a staple of television police procedurals.
Why aren't these policies available on the companies' websites? With such information, consumers could vote with their wallets and punish those companies that don't protect privacy. Keeping their customers in the dark about surveillance is better for business, it seems.
We pay the cell phone companies to provide us with a service, not keep tabs on us for the government. And yet the companies that now have access to some of our most private information refuse to reveal even the most basic facts about their policies? We deserve better.
 
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The War on Terror!

But the REAL terrorists are in the White House. It should be called The Black House. (Black= evil)
 
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This is more evidence that America is one thin slice of bullshit away from a fascist state. If you like fascism, vote republican! Hitler at least solved gov't. gridlock, right? (that's sarcasm. Just making sure people get it)
 
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I've long known about this, worst of all they don't just give it to LEO. They will give it to corporate companies who work w/ them also. They fired my friend saying he was talking to some one who did something wrong at the company, whilst showing him his phone records, I woulda snatched that shit up and got a civil rights lawyer of some type. This abuse was carried out by nothing more than the companies LP who was an ex LEO. Sad to see this country is no longer looking out for the people, they are for the corporations... even though these corporations don't give a shit about America, they get away w/ everything.
 
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Turns out that the New York Times has just broken the story that the 'Stuxnet' virus was for sure a collaboration between american and isreali spy agencies, aimed at iran's nuclear enrichment program and somehow got loose on the internet. Suspicions are strong the same is true of the recent 'Flame' virus.
 
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I have not heard of the Flame Virus, will have to look it up. The shit never ends.
 
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unfortunatley,alot of our rights diminish on a daily basis , and most u.s. citizens dont have a clue.
and your right kolah the shit really doesnt ever end.
420
 
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LET ME YELL A BIT. WE DONT HAVE RIGHTS ANYMORE!
we never did ,simple. you can either actively engage ,or monitor.
we are being "monitored" its alot easier to control a population when they think they are free.

smart, lazy, treacherous ,bastards. the secret is... they brought us home ,and didnt even know it:)
 
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unfortunatley,alot of our rights diminish on a daily basis , and most u.s. citizens dont have a clue.
and your right kolah the shit really doesnt ever end.
420

The Quakers came to this country in revolutionary times to excercise their freedom of religion (they were among the first modern 'conscientious objectors')- and to help instill the value of education for all in the cultural DNA of the newly born nation. It is despicable what our political system has done to the insitution of public education in this country. EVERYONE depends on its success, yes, even the rich- but this country is proving itself far too shortsighted to come together to solve problems that would benefit us all. Pathetic.

Amazing how this was a conservative religious value back then, but modern conservatives can't manage to live up to it?

LET ME YELL A BIT. WE DONT HAVE RIGHTS ANYMORE!
we never did ,simple. you can either actively engage ,or monitor.
we are being "monitored" its alot easier to control a population when they think they are free.

smart, lazy, treacherous ,bastards. the secret is... they brought us home ,and didnt even know it:)

Ah, but we DID have rights in this country! Right up until the first and second World Wars, when interests of money and power began to unravel the cloth of liberty in this country, chipping away at constitutional rights slowly, unobtrusively at first. Now, people are actively distracted from the important issues by the best multimedia entertainment system in history, actively il- and mis- informed about their world with NO oversight to hold news organisations-or anyone else- accountable for their actions or consequences of their speech, and told not to bother because 'good people' have things under control...

In spite of the above trends, I am NOT ill-informed, nor am I distracted from what's really important in our country. I also realize I am not exactly in the majority, so screaming from the rooftops is likely only to get me tossed into the loony bin- and my ideas later dusted off and adopted long after I'm gone.

So what to do? Associate with those of like mind, and agitate within the system for change and to improve our country- because we are way behind the best in the world and dropping back fast!
 
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Fuckin' Scary man....And The Shitty part is.... I'm not even suprised anymore, at Stories like these...

Spain sounds better and better everyday...

............BUT HEY! Atleast we live in a Free Country... lol.
 
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Big Brother is watching and getting better at it all the time. Anonymity is becoming a modern legend. Bring on the Brave New World! :eek:

Not nearly as scary as the flame virus...

That shit is insane! I was reading about it a few weeks back. Holy shit, that is one mother of an information gathering piece of software. Scary to think of nation states waging this silent war against one another.
 
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Then general public are SHEEP most people dont want to think for themselves way easier to just let big bother do it for me so when it fails or doesnt work they can stand back throw there hands in the air and say it wasnt my fault I didnt have a choice. 90% of americans are short sited self absorbed narsistic lazy and brain washed it is so sad to be here and see it with my own eyes I alway wonder when the day will come when We say to each other so where were you the day they took over! :(
 
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