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Dopegeist · May 10, 2014

I've just noticed the 'medical' strains with the high CBD tend to look/smoke very Indica. Could very well be found in good quantities throughout, but Ruderalis and Indica would share similar, less hospitable environments.

I'm sticking with some sort of evolutionary thing where one needed animal dispersion and the other looked for animal deterrence...Not all animals like to get high, trippin high.

neverbreak · May 10, 2014

i'd wager the trait bein more sativa than anythin.

neverbreak

wobbly goblin · May 10, 2014

from studies i've read ... it appears high cbd strains come from north of 30 degrees lat and are from wide leaf feral or wild stands of indica
cough, cough,afghanistan

fwiw

Dopegeist · May 12, 2014

neverbreak said:
i'd wager the trait bein more sativa than anythin.

neverbreak

What makes you say that?
I say Indica dom because I've never seen it on a skinny leafed girl.
All the CBD rich strains I've seen have the fat leaves, stout figures, and low vigor....
All traits that are not Sativa, in my book.
If it were a Sat dom trait, then there wouldn't be the need for Sat/Ind hybrids for the varieties...You would have a CBD rich Sat landrace somewhere.

Kush, being catch all phrase to some extent, originally meant "Hindu Kush" mountains...I'll let the kids Google Map it. With many of the CBD rich varieties being of Kush origin. The 'couchlock' high was that of the CBD coacting with the THC...The smokers HPLC (a pipe or joint) would have selected varieties based on this method of analysis, perhaps absorbed by fats with heat too. But the testing methods were rudimentary, and thus would still be looking for some THC.

But I guess that is the reason to do genetic testing now that it is available. Would be able to fingerprint some origins.

Dopegeist · May 12, 2014

All credits due to Robert Clark, bought his Marijuana Botany book at 14, thanks Tattered Cover :) (Screw the 'grow bibles ,ect' if you spend money on a good weed book, make sure Robert Clarke is in the author spot. Perhaps for the more science oriented though)

"Geographical Distribution of Cannabinoid Phenotypes:

Utilizing GC, Samll and Beckstead (1973b) analyzed 350 sample of Cannabis from police seizures and germplasm collections representing approximately 50 countries that were grown outdoors during the summer of 1971 at Ottawa, Canada. Graphs of d9-THC percentage versus CBD percentage produced "three large modally distinct groups with respect to cannabinoid content."
Type 1 samples contained larger amounts of THC (>0.3 percent) and limited amounts of CBD (<0.5 percent). Type 1 samples typically originated from south of 30 degrees north latitude. Type 2 varieties contained relatively high levels of both THC (>0.3 percent) and CBD (>0.5 percent), and Type 3 varieties contained very little THC (<0.3 percent). Types 2 and 3 usually originated north of 30 degrees north latitude....
They (Small and Beckstead) attributed the difference in varieties to origin north or south of 30 degrees north latitude and to selection for fiber and seed varieties at northern latitudes and drug varieties at southern latitudes.

....

North America: North American self-sown popluations have the lowest chemotype ratios (THC etc, to CBD etc.) since varieties were originally introduced for fiber use. NI.H was introduced from W.Europe in early 17th century and BLH from China in the late 19th century. This accounts for the similarity between cannabinoid ratios for N.America and those for W.Europe and China and reflects the primary uses for Cannabis in these regions for fiber and seed."

Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany
By Robert Clarke, Mark Merlin

Sooo...It seems that is may be more Human induced trait than anything. Just how long we been growing this shit?

Or read and answer for yourself.
http://books.google.com/books?id=po...&q=cannabis evolution and ethnobotany&f=false

GoClutch · May 28, 2014

Dopegeist said:
All credits due to Robert Clark, bought his Marijuana Botany book at 14, thanks Tattered Cover :) (Screw the 'grow bibles ,ect' if you spend money on a good weed book, make sure Robert Clarke is in the author spot. Perhaps for the more science oriented though)

"Geographical Distribution of Cannabinoid Phenotypes:

Utilizing GC, Samll and Beckstead (1973b) analyzed 350 sample of Cannabis from police seizures and germplasm collections representing approximately 50 countries that were grown outdoors during the summer of 1971 at Ottawa, Canada. Graphs of d9-THC percentage versus CBD percentage produced "three large modally distinct groups with respect to cannabinoid content."
Type 1 samples contained larger amounts of THC (>0.3 percent) and limited amounts of CBD (<0.5 percent). Type 1 samples typically originated from south of 30 degrees north latitude. Type 2 varieties contained relatively high levels of both THC (>0.3 percent) and CBD (>0.5 percent), and Type 3 varieties contained very little THC (<0.3 percent). Types 2 and 3 usually originated north of 30 degrees north latitude....
They (Small and Beckstead) attributed the difference in varieties to origin north or south of 30 degrees north latitude and to selection for fiber and seed varieties at northern latitudes and drug varieties at southern latitudes.

....

North America: North American self-sown popluations have the lowest chemotype ratios (THC etc, to CBD etc.) since varieties were originally introduced for fiber use. NI.H was introduced from W.Europe in early 17th century and BLH from China in the late 19th century. This accounts for the similarity between cannabinoid ratios for N.America and those for W.Europe and China and reflects the primary uses for Cannabis in these regions for fiber and seed."

Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany
By Robert Clarke, Mark Merlin

Sooo...It seems that is may be more Human induced trait than anything. Just how long we been growing this shit?

Or read and answer for yourself.
http://books.google.com/books?id=poenY6QMq8UC&printsec=frontcover&dq=cannabis evolution and ethnobotany&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uDBxU_mPAcGhyASRo4C4DA&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=cannabis evolution and ethnobotany&f=false

Thanks for the recommendation! I hadn't heard of that book, but if its for the Science oriented than its definitely for me! If anyone has obtained the Charlotts Web or other high CBD cuts and would like to distribute them subversively in order to help kids and piss of Big Pharma... I know several of those "waiting patients" the CBD hoarders are waiting to cash in on.[/quote]
**Edit, almost broke a forum rule;)

homebrew420 · Jun 9, 2014

So the R14dr reversal is well under way. Male flowers forming as well as pistols on the other branches. The actual females as of now to be used are Tora Bora, Tange-istan, tangerine Kush (rare dankness), stardawg, Pre98 bubba.
should provide a great deal of med value seeds. Should reach completion by summers end, early to mid August anyway.

Get some shots here in a few.

Peace

Sativied · Jun 9, 2014

JeromeGarcia said:
CBD is more likely a ruderalis trait if it is not a Sativa trait. Indica is not used in hemp to any real extent. Most strains of hemp have at least 2% CBD....

The image below confirms the hemp containing CBD comment, but CBD is supposedly actually very unlike-Ruderalis.

Funny, if you combine Ruderalis (short +THC) +Hemp (long and CBD) ... :)

homebrew420 · Jun 9, 2014

Here they are

homebrew420 · Jun 9, 2014

What the rest of the world has viewed as "high" cbd is a real misnomer, as 3% is considered high.
I disagree with 3% being a good number. It not even novel at this stage in the game.
I would like to see tests of Mr. Nice gear testing high for cbd.

Peace

homebrew420 · Jun 11, 2014

Anyone have varieties tested from CBD Crew? Or mr nice? Or anyone else.

Peace

DAT · Jul 30, 2014

nah,never had anything tested hB420 , sorryHB420....Im all set up now in WA, got my card and can grow 15 plants .... I just bought another Secret Jardin dR 120 . so anyone that wants to see their High CBD legit cut loved and scrogged to the max im your girl. ;)
and please please vote for my Casey jones for the July POTM contest. I have never won anyting on here before and I always tried so hard.
Thanks!!

click80 · Oct 15, 2014

homebrew420 said:
Sorry guys the sight wouldn't load on the phone. Here are the pics
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Is what the first picture variegation? I have a strain with that. Is it unusual/desirable?

Toaster79 · Oct 15, 2014

Anyone looking for hemp seeds should go to local pet store and ask for some Canary seed mix. You should be rather surprised.

kolah · Oct 15, 2014

homebrew420 said:
Anyone have varieties tested from CBD Crew? Or mr nice? Or anyone else.

Peace

^^^^ BUMP it up.

LocalGrowGuy · Jan 29, 2015

http://www.centennialseeds.com/2015/01/23/otto-ii-high-cbd-seed/

Otto II ~ High CBD Seed

[story at link]

First and most important, I do not have any dogs in this fight. However, I am interested in research and developments of the cultivation of hemp in Colorado, more specifically the viability of growing a legal hemp plant with low levels of THC and high amounts of CBD's. I think it benefits all patients.

While this post is not related to the stanley's or charlotte's web, people who are interested in high CBD hemp applications may want to contact Centennial. I think the offering of hemp seed from our state in situations where there is a need for pain relief without the psychoactive ingredients. Since the hemp laws only limit THC, CBD is not considered, and therefore low-to-no thc, high cbd hemp plants may create a new niche market for extraction.

I haven't heard anything more than rumors about anyone having high-CBD hemp seed stock, and this thread is the best place I can find. Obviously if a mod wants to move it, so be it. I think it's pretty great that the medicinal benefits of these plants may eventually allow the use of these products without the stigma attached.

kuz · Jan 30, 2015

.3% thc is too limiting, what if the plant test at .4? Dept of ag comes out and destroys your whole crop. Is testing even accurate enough at that low level? Had the same thought though, crossing some high cbd strains with hemp, it would be interesting. It only cost a couple hundred dollars to register to grow hemp. And the feds dont seem to be making water an issue with hemp. It would be a lot easier than growing pot, legally.

I dont know if charlottes web is below .3 or not. It was supposed to be around there I think, but you risk the whole crop if some material test above that.

altitudefarmer · Jan 30, 2015

I am working with a Harley-Tsu from SoHum that seems to be super-rich in CBD and has NO buzz whatsoever. Hoping to get it tested thru a buddy's shop here shortly. I have already been making oil, with stellar results. I took a whole gram last week and just felt super relaxed and pain-free. Slept pretty well also, and woke up very refreshed- no hangover or anything. A gram of my PTO would have wrecked me for about 3 days.
Will definitely post test results when I finally get them.

LocalGrowGuy · Jan 30, 2015

kuz said:
.3% thc is too limiting, what if the plant test at .4? Dept of ag comes out and destroys your whole crop. Is testing even accurate enough at that low level? Had the same thought though, crossing some high cbd strains with hemp, it would be interesting. It only cost a couple hundred dollars to register to grow hemp. And the feds dont seem to be making water an issue with hemp. It would be a lot easier than growing pot, legally.

I dont know if charlottes web is below .3 or not. It was supposed to be around there I think, but you risk the whole crop if some material test above that.

Charlotte's Web (I refuse to endorse those involved, so I will refer to it as 'high CBD MMJ or R4') is a marijuana plant, not a hemp plant. The guidelines for hemp in Colorado only limit the THC, there is no limit on the CBD. I could be way off, but I think there may be a way to produce a low-THC plant, like hemp, and breed high CBD qualities into the hemp plant. However, I am nowhere near even chucking pollen, so all I know is what I read and hear from people. If people can find a way to produce this product outside the US (Uraguay?) I don't know if hemp is subject to the same restrictions as MMJ[citation needed]. I know you can't bring seed across state lines, but I am unsure about the finished product, whether it's extracted into a liquid or other concentrate form.

If this is the route we have to take to get to a point where people in need can use the medical benefits of marijuana without the negative aspects coming into play, it will be interesting.

I also find that the new AG's anti-pot stance may affect MMJ moving forward, which opens a new can of worms.

Disclaimer: I could be mistaken, though.

kuz · Jan 30, 2015

localgrowguy, not sure you got my point. You get charlottes web, or any other cannabis plant below .3% thc and it is considered hemp by the state. Can you do that and keep the cbd's were they are, that is the question.

Altitude, right on man.. I never ate anything close to a gram of pto,

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