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[TrichromeFan]

Snowblind,
Is your feed just the two components? Are you adding Epsom salt? I also assume that you are still adding the zone in as well. What PH range are you using on your feed. I have just been hand feeding some 4" cubes 1.5 EC in veg at 5.5-5.6

Any chance of seeing some of the current run with the Jack's?

Thanks,

-TF

 

[Capulator]

damn SB I read that you needed to top drip the hugos and big mammas when you stacked due to how they dry. Glad you had such great success. The pro photographer better post some pics soon.

Oh and :

ALWAYS POUR

ACID IN TO

WATER AND NOT

WATER IN TO ACID!!!!!!

 

[Snowblind]

Im running a strain that does seem as hungry for Mg. Its the Straw Cough x alien Kush. I was feed at 1/2 gram of epsoms per gallon.

Yes I use zone.

I have a barrel reso and a titan ebb and flow system.

I drain the reso with a sub pump and clean it as its very easy. I add a lot of water and the zone at 1 mll per gallon. Then I add the Jacks, and epsom then the Calcium nitrate. Dilute if need to whatever ppm. add ph down to 5.7 or whatever you use.

I used 5.7 but maybe something is better with rockwool. It was my first complete rockwool grow and I was blow away compared to rocks.

Everything has been cut down. I can post pictures of nugs which you will see are just stunning. Huge , huge Alien nugs. The yeild was crazy.

damn SB I read that you needed to top drip the hugos and big mammas when you stacked due to how they dry. Glad you had such great success. The pro photographer better post some pics soon.

Now im not telling people to double stack hugos and flower there plant in an ebb and flow system. It says on the big mamas not to use them that way. I will find out what happens.

Im going to do it.

Im testing the big mamas now. I believe this works because of the huge healthy root mass that forms. Big roots = big stem = lots of nute uptake = being able to handle the rockwool ebb and flow style. I found I would just flood once a day. I need to keep the rockwool heavy to keep from tipping over. The plants actually grew too big. The branches could not handle the weight. I would flood when the lights come on.

You can always turn the system on for a quick minute to refresh the bttom water if it bothers you.

 

[Capulator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbFmOEdKD7g&noredirect=1

is this what you are using?


Did you know that you can combine yoru epsom and hydro dry with no lock out? that gives you a two part instead of three. Saves a little time this way.

 

[Snowblind]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbFmOEdKD7g&noredirect=1

is this what you are using?

Yes.

The barral sits right outside the room. This has helped to reduce humidty to nothing now in the room. I invert black grow pots to raise the cube off the bottom of the blue pots. I used 4 pots turned upside down. There is always water in the bottom. The grow pots will keep the rockwool above the water. Tap roots will grow down into the water. I had many plants engulf the pots with roots. You do not want the rockwool to be in constant contact with the water. I use 3/4 tubing and I use little 3/4 inch bipass vlaves along the lines so I can open and close lines as needed for clean or whatever. Very easy to move the pots around under the light to get to where I needed.

Cap I have a lot to learn from you!

I want to use your veg formula!

 

[str8med]

Nevermind guys and gals. I'll figure it out for myself. PEACE!

 

[cheaplastic]

Heavy 16

Has anyone formulated a homemade mix similar to the NPK's of HEAVY 16's Bloom A + B?

Heavy 16 Bud A (4.0-0-2.0)

Total Nitrogen (N). . . . . . . . . . .4.0%
0.04% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
3.96% Nitrate Nitrogen
Soluble Potash (K2O). . .2.0%
Calcium (Ca) . . . . . . .4.2%
Iron (Fe). . . . . . . . . . .0.10%
0.10% Chelated Iron
Molybdenum (Mo). . 0.0008%

Derived From: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Iron
DTPA, Iron EDDHA , , calcium acetate, calcium gluconate,
calcium chloride, , sodium molybdate


Heavy 16 Bud B (1.25-3.7-6.0)

Total Nitrogen (N). . . . . . .1.25%
0.05% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
1.20% Nitrate Nitrogen
Available Phosphoric Acid (P2O5). . . . . .3.7%
Soluble Potash (K2O). . . . . . . . .6.0%
Magnesium (Mg). . . . . . . . . . .1.50%
Sulfur (S). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2.00%

Derived From: Mono potassium phosphate, magnesium
nitrate, magnesium sulfate, potassium nitrate,
and potassium sulfate

 

[leadsled]

Has anyone formulated a homemade mix similar to the NPK's of HEAVY 16's Bloom A + B?

Heavy 16 Bud A (4.0-0-2.0)

Total Nitrogen (N). . . . . . . . . . .4.0%
0.04% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
3.96% Nitrate Nitrogen
Soluble Potash (K2O). . .2.0%
Calcium (Ca) . . . . . . .4.2%
Iron (Fe). . . . . . . . . . .0.10%
0.10% Chelated Iron
Molybdenum (Mo). . 0.0008%

Derived From: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Iron
DTPA, Iron EDDHA , , calcium acetate, calcium gluconate,
calcium chloride, , sodium molybdate


Heavy 16 Bud B (1.25-3.7-6.0)

Total Nitrogen (N). . . . . . .1.25%
0.05% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
1.20% Nitrate Nitrogen
Available Phosphoric Acid (P2O5). . . . . .3.7%
Soluble Potash (K2O). . . . . . . . .6.0%
Magnesium (Mg). . . . . . . . . . .1.50%
Sulfur (S). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2.00%

Derived From: Mono potassium phosphate, magnesium
nitrate, magnesium sulfate, potassium nitrate,
and potassium sulfate

 

[Bluenote]

Not to hijack the thread , didn't want to start another for the same thing ( sort of) , is anyone running the Jacks Classic combo indoors , soil container? And how applicable would the hydro Jacks be to soil container usage?

I've had *very* good results over the years with the 20/20/20 for veg and the 10/30/20 for bloom , for end bloom stage I've been experimenting with the Jack with Crystal Green 9/13/22 which is allegedly slow release but has worked fine in solution indoors and dynamite as a water down top dressing outdoors. I generally add their trace element mix , cal/mag , silica and molasses. I generally keep some of their magnesium sulfate ( epsom salts) around though lately my hydro store has matched their price , and they're my source for the individual calcium salts and potassium bicarb.

I'd be interested to hear what other experimentation folks have done with some of the big ag fertilisers in soil container if y'all might be willing to relate your experiences.

 

[skywalkerOG]

Tried the veg recommendation today:

2G Hydro equaled out to .6EC on my Bluelab.
1g Epsom Salt = .1EC
3G Cal-Nitrate showed a .8EC increase.
So a total EC feeding of 1.5

Trying this on StarDawg, Chem-T, and a host of others.

Anyone else using the powder on moms? I'm finding the stems to be stronger as opposed to when I used CES. Definitely noticed it in flower, with CES I had to stake the Chem-T in the 3rd week. With the powder I didn't have to stake them until week 7.

First batch of Stardawg is underway with the powder, I'll be posting occasional updates showing off the Stardawg, WhiteFire poppped 10 seeds and got 9 females from seed (pheno hunting). Also along for the ride will be some CBD rich Harlequin & Omrita RX. Going to be crossing those with the Stardawg, White Fire, and Chem-T. Probably toss in a few Bubba Dawg as well, that I know loves the powder. Only on the powder does it tastes / smells like sweet chem-d crossed with purps. With CES and FloraNova it has more of a bubba kush. Stay tuned for resin dripping StarDawg.

 

[sdgrower]

leadsled
what program is that?
Thanks

 

[raincheck]

Tried the veg recommendation today:

2G Hydro equaled out to .6EC on my Bluelab.
1g Epsom Salt = .1EC
3G Cal-Nitrate showed a .8EC increase.
So a total EC feeding of 1.5

Trying this on StarDawg, Chem-T, and a host of others.

Anyone else using the powder on moms? I'm finding the stems to be stronger as opposed to when I used CES. Definitely noticed it in flower, with CES I had to stake the Chem-T in the 3rd week. With the powder I didn't have to stake them until week 7.

First batch of Stardawg is underway with the powder, I'll be posting occasional updates showing off the Stardawg, WhiteFire poppped 10 seeds and got 9 females from seed (pheno hunting). Also along for the ride will be some CBD rich Harlequin & Omrita RX. Going to be crossing those with the Stardawg, White Fire, and Chem-T. Probably toss in a few Bubba Dawg as well, that I know loves the powder. Only on the powder does it tastes / smells like sweet chem-d crossed with purps. With CES and FloraNova it has more of a bubba kush. Stay tuned for resin dripping StarDawg.

If I calculated your g/gal right, your ratio is 5.4 - 1 - 4. Is that what you got?

 

[HydroRocks]

How would Jack's Hydro compare to this Veg+Bloom powder nutrient? Anyone ran the numbers?

Excellent thread!

 

[Quantrill]

Has anyone formulated a homemade mix similar to the NPK's of HEAVY 16's Bloom A + B?

Heavy 16 Bud A (4.0-0-2.0)

Total Nitrogen (N). . . . . . . . . . .4.0%
0.04% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
3.96% Nitrate Nitrogen
Soluble Potash (K2O). . .2.0%
Calcium (Ca) . . . . . . .4.2%
Iron (Fe). . . . . . . . . . .0.10%
0.10% Chelated Iron
Molybdenum (Mo). . 0.0008%

Derived From: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Iron
DTPA, Iron EDDHA , , calcium acetate, calcium gluconate,
calcium chloride, , sodium molybdate


Heavy 16 Bud B (1.25-3.7-6.0)

Total Nitrogen (N). . . . . . .1.25%
0.05% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
1.20% Nitrate Nitrogen
Available Phosphoric Acid (P2O5). . . . . .3.7%
Soluble Potash (K2O). . . . . . . . .6.0%
Magnesium (Mg). . . . . . . . . . .1.50%
Sulfur (S). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2.00%

Derived From: Mono potassium phosphate, magnesium
nitrate, magnesium sulfate, potassium nitrate,
and potassium sulfate

this is full strength according to their simple feed schedule, so adjust EC as neded.

 

[fatman41]

@capulator are you using mkp for a buffer or for the added potassium and phospherous?
I also see that you've added potassium sulfate.Can you explain this as im trying to learn as much as possible.Where did you pick up your mpk?
Thanks :-)

 

[Capulator]

@capulator are you using mkp for a buffer or for the added potassium and phospherous?
I also see that you've added potassium sulfate.Can you explain this as im trying to learn as much as possible.Where did you pick up your mpk?
Thanks :-)

Custom hydro do an online search.

Picked it up because with jacks alone i was having a hard time playing with numbers. Those two give me more flexibility with my ratios. Its not for a buffer.

Just jacks works great, but i wanted to tweak the formula a little more.

With the calcium chloride, mkp, and k2so4, i hava a lot more versatility. I may discontinue jacks eventually and move towards all raw salts, but for now its very simple and gives great results. I especially like how the lower nuggets are getting more plump, and how easy clwaning is between runs.

 

[sdgrower]

Cap,

Is the Jacks CALCIUM CHLORIDE, DIHYDRATE the same as the ebay calcium chloride?

Thanks
:animbong:

 

[Capulator]

Here is the one I got.

basically we figured that every .o1 gram of Cacl2 was equal to 1 ppm Ca.

So if you add .2 grams, thats roughly 20 ppm. I have never used more than that I dont think. Its a great Ca boost and adds Cl, an important micro element that you dont really have if you are using RO water.

 

[Capulator]

and here is the sulfuric acid:



ph down for life.

 

[Snowblind]

Tried the veg recommendation today:

2G Hydro equaled out to .6EC on my Bluelab.
1g Epsom Salt = .1EC
3G Cal-Nitrate showed a .8EC increase.
So a total EC feeding of 1.5

Trying this on StarDawg, Chem-T, and a host of others.

Anyone else using the powder on moms? I'm finding the stems to be stronger as opposed to when I used CES. Definitely noticed it in flower, with CES I had to stake the Chem-T in the 3rd week. With the powder I didn't have to stake them until week 7.

First batch of Stardawg is underway with the powder, I'll be posting occasional updates showing off the Stardawg, WhiteFire poppped 10 seeds and got 9 females from seed (pheno hunting). Also along for the ride will be some CBD rich Harlequin & Omrita RX. Going to be crossing those with the Stardawg, White Fire, and Chem-T. Probably toss in a few Bubba Dawg as well, that I know loves the powder. Only on the powder does it tastes / smells like sweet chem-d crossed with purps. With CES and FloraNova it has more of a bubba kush. Stay tuned for resin dripping StarDawg.

3 grams of Calcium Nitrate seems a little high. Im interested in your results. The most ive ever used was 2.4 I believe. Those are Mg hungry strains you are growing. Im trying to cut back the epsom if possible. You can over feed mg to your plants! Those chems will eat that stuff up.

The plants ive grown with jacks have been very strong in the stems. I would notice I had a hard time pulling leaves off the plants with just my fingers. I couldnt snap the leaves anymore.



After you master Jacks and just being interested in ppms and a few nute ratios, like Cap said, you will understand salts better and want to mix your own or get together with some friends and create your own custom nutes.

Jacks is a just a mix of like 4 powders. Pretty easy to make your own. Cap will be doing this soon enough it would seem.