Cheap alternatives to overpriced hydroponic nutrients

[Snowblind]

DMZ = Dutch Master Zone I add this first into my reso after filling it every week. I use 1ml per gallon.....its a type of bleach thats does not evaporate quite as fast as standard bleach.

Those are reasonable but not the best here is another source of good nutes Crop King....they also sell their version of the hydro formula...

50 pounds for 30 bucks....

http://www.cropking.com/HydroponicS...d=1105&zenid=acffe91946536ee7bf415e8a72df5173


Epsoms you can buy anywhere. Throw a bag onto your order from wherever you get your nutes.

 

[Coloradofrost]

word SB thanks for the help!! one last question whats the shelf life on these products. 50lb bag would last me...... awhile

 

[Rushoe]

Snow blind I could use some help here right now I wanna order the mono potash stuff u were talking about its supper cheap and its got some good numbers I would like to make the swap and try it myself but I was doing some reading and seems that u can not mix this stuff with cal mag so kinda wanted some more info on that cuz I was gonna run my tap water this run witch is about 150/200 ppm tap water that sits out for 24 hours of course but wanted to know what I could do here before I order some ....Thoughts please.

 

[Snowblind]

One thing calcium nitrate reacts with air as it absorbs water. It comes in a ziplock bag and that needs to go into a bucket with an airtight lid. 25 pounds is a little easier to store airtight for some perhaps. 50 pounds is a big ass bag and you wil need to keep it airtight!!! It will last as long as its not exposed to air. I would buy it in 25 pound bags. As it is exposed to air its elemental ratios change....

Calcium Nitrate is very soluable with water and mixes easily. If it reacts with some air you will know as its easy to see. Its little balls not a powder and easy to handle, scoop and weigh out. Really easy to mix. I have posted in this very thread about Calcium not liking Phosphorus and Mg! They dont mix well together. Thats why you mix the Hydro Formula with the P, then add the Mg and then add the Ca last in the form of Calcium Nitrate.

Rushoe are you saying that you want to mix up your own formula from scratch?

I only have ordered from Peters labs...
Jacks Hydroponic
Calcium Nitrate
Citric Acid
Bloosom Booster
Hydro Herb
The blooming formula for violets.....its very high in P......

What are you wanting to order exactly?

 

[Capulator]

I would run this at 2.75 grams per gallon to 3.0 to see what happens. I posted above somewhere the ppm of the hydro herb. You want your N levels to be somewhere from 110-125 or 130 of N in your formula. You use the to bloom booster to stimulate flower production after 12/12. People do this after the flip always. It could be done during the first week or 2nd or 3rd. Depends on the person and none seems to no whats best. I like week three for the first P boost. Kinda after the stretch. High P during the stretch promotes stertching of the plants in my mind so I want to keep that P low in early flower.The idea is the spike in P after the stretch helps to stimulate flower production. I have not talked to Carrie at Peters labs about the exact methods yet for using the herb formula.You would feed the bloom booster while cutting back the hydro herb formula. I am still running the Jacks Hydroponic with added Calcium Nitrate as this is what I know and feel most comfortable with. Im interested in finnishing my plants with the hydro herb formula as its very low in P maybe during the last couple of weeks.. This will make for great tasting herb. I was using the hydro herb in a reso for a week but switched back to the Jacks hydro formula.







Do you think pushing the P until the leaves curl is good? What do you think that would be 50 to 60 ppm?

Thats a good question. I dont think pushing them so they get the claw is ideal... but who knows. I know that after I bumped up to 1.6 EC the claw went away.

 

[Rushoe]

I am using maxibloom its a one part from gh and seems to be working well with my tap water seems that I am getting better results with the maxibloom then I was getting with my tweaked Lucas so I have made the swap and will be running it but along side I would like to use a bloom booster the maxibloom is 5-15-14 so its a powerful stand alone nute I wanna keep it simple so thats why I even cut out the ro water so I wont have to add calmag since my tap is at about 150/200 none of the cuts I have seem to have any issues with it so its fine but I use a bloom booster at the end with half maxibloom and wanted to try that stuff u were talking about Mono-Potassium Phosphate 0-52-34 I was using the big up powder from humbult that is 0-33-23 for the last two weeks...But I found myself using twice as much cuz its not as strong as lets say mother of all blooms. This Mono-Potassium Phosphate (0-52-34)seems like it would work great but that instructions say its cant be mixed with something that contains calmag in it and my tap water that I wanna use already has a good dose so I am just wondering if thats a bunch of bull shit....I cant post the link if u wanna know what I am talking about as far as the instructions.

 

[Rushoe]

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[Capulator]

I think what they mean is that you cant just throw them all in the res at the same time. Also, you can't combine the powders or concentrate.

I woudl add the calcium last, after everything is well mixed in. If the calcium is already in the tap, then I am pretty sure it will be fine. You can call jr peters to speak with them about it. They will be able to tell you.

 

[Capulator]

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[Tokenblack]

Nice find dude!....basic elements mixed by professionals at mineral based rates...perfect...(even though im still a complete submissive to Dutchmaster Nutrient products......Amsterdams flagship nutes!)

 

[Rushoe]

SO since the calmag is already in my tap water I guess it would be safe to run the Mono-Potassium Phosphate 0-52-34 I would like to use this with half maxibloom wanna know if that would work?????But I look on the web page and it says-
Compatibility
Multi-MKP is compatible with most water-soluble fertilizers, except for fertilizers containing calcium (Ca
++
)
or magnesium (Mg
++
). To apply Multi-MKP in combination with calcium or magnesium fertilizers, use two
fertilizer tanks. If only a single fertilizer tank is available, apply those fertilizers at different times

 

[Rushoe]

my tap water is 150/200 ppm witch is all calmag right?????And also my maxibloom contains a bit of cal ang mag as well. I wanted to use this together would it be safe????Its mega cheap and it almost the same numbers as moabs 50 pounds for 97 bucks and 1 poound for 3 bucks lol....thats bomb wonder how good it works....Just wanted someone to clear that up for me before I order it I wanna know if it would work in my set up with tap water and drain to waste coco.

 

[motherlode]

well technically your water is not a fertilizer and since most water has ca and mg I think your all good

not all that ppm is ca/mg btw

alot of mine is sediment - though its well water

if your on city water I wonder how much of that ppm is chlorine/chloramine

 

[Capulator]

well technically your water is not a fertilizer and since most water has ca and mg I think your all good

not all that ppm is ca/mg btw

alot of mine is sediment - though its well water

if your on city water I wonder how much of that ppm is chlorine/chloramine

If you have tap water through a service you can see the water report on line and that will tell you everything. Or, call the provider and they will send it to you.

ML is right. water has calcium. If you are usign tap there is already enough calcium there most likely, and it is diluted so it wont fuck with your solution.

You need to mix the Ca separately in water (like a 5 gal bucket), and add it to your main res last.

 

[Rushoe]

well technically your water is not a fertilizer and since most water has ca and mg I think your all good

not all that ppm is ca/mg btw

alot of mine is sediment - though its well water

if your on city water I wonder how much of that ppm is chlorine/chloramine

Oh shit thanks man well I kinda knew it wasn't all calmag but I would think a good chunk of it is right? I mean I am no expert but I know that the maxibloom has some added cal and mag u have seen my plants grown with that stuff and they looks ok to me not mag or cal issues and my tap runs at about 150/200 ppm it stays in that rang for the most part. Yeah I wonder really how much is really calmag and chlorine or what ever else is in there I am sure there is a $$$$$$ meter that could assist with that. BUt thanx bro good looking I guess it would be cool to use this stuff then with half maxibloom and that Mono-Potassium Phosphate 0-52-34 or would this have to be just my tap and mono potassium phosphate with out maxibloom but that would mean I would have to go heavy with the 0-52-34 stuff with out maixbloom?????thats where I get lost.

 

[Rushoe]

If you have tap water through a service you can see the water report on line and that will tell you everything. Or, call the provider and they will send it to you.

ML is right. water has calcium. If you are usign tap there is already enough calcium there most likely, and it is diluted so it wont fuck with your solution.

You need to mix the Ca separately in water (like a 5 gal bucket), and add it to your main res last.

I dont use the jacks stuff I use maxibloom from gh its a powerful stand alone nute 5-15-14 so its just that added to my tap water and the last two weeks before flush I like to use half maxibloom and some kinda of bloom booster and wanted to try this one that snow blind was talking about...


SO its like this 150/200 ppm tap water
Maxibloom from gh one part nute
Half maxibloom and Mono-Potassium Phosphate 0-52-34 last two weeks before flush......

ANd thats fucken tight man didn't know u could do that check on line about the ppms of the tap water and what not I will look into that thanx bro.

 

[Snowblind]

Rushoe you can get a water sample easy to by mailing it off. Many services will analyze it for you. Its cheap to have it checked out.

 

[motherlode]

Oh shit thanks man well I kinda knew it wasn't all calmag but I would think a good chunk of it is right? I mean I am no expert but I know that the maxibloom has some added cal and mag u have seen my plants grown with that stuff and they looks ok to me not mag or cal issues and my tap runs at about 150/200 ppm it stays in that rang for the most part. Yeah I wonder really how much is really calmag and chlorine or what ever else is in there I am sure there is a $$$$$$ meter that could assist with that. BUt thanx bro good looking I guess it would be cool to use this stuff then with half maxibloom and that Mono-Potassium Phosphate 0-52-34 or would this have to be just my tap and mono potassium phosphate with out maxibloom but that would mean I would have to go heavy with the 0-52-34 stuff with out maixbloom?????thats where I get lost.

hell yeah I have seen your maxi bloom grows - thats why I started that thread - wanted to see how well it was working for other peeps

when adding boosters usually you cut your base in half - if you only use the booster it will hurt your yield - dont overthink it bro

 

[Rushoe]

Rushoe you can get a water sample easy to by mailing it off. Many services will analyze it for you. Its cheap to have it checked out.

Thats tight didn't know that

hell yeah I have seen your maxi bloom grows - thats why I started that thread - wanted to see how well it was working for other peeps

when adding boosters usually you cut your base in half - if you only use the booster it will hurt your yield - dont overthink it bro

Gotcha man I do think I am over thinking lol...Just gonna use it as if it was moab......And hell yeah bro the maix did well so I am gonna run it inside this time for the simpleness and great results along side some molasses and Mono-Potassium Phosphate 0-52-34 for the 1st week of 12/12 and the for the last two weeks with half strength maxibloom ....I grew me some nice white fire and have some sfv coming down tomorrow with also some empress and banana kush my cam sucks really bad I wish I had a better one to show u these nugs look indoor and taste great

 

[skywalkerOG]

.7 EC Hydro, .1EC Mag, .3 EC Cal-Nit is working great during the 2 week transition. Will give them a boost in week 3 and 5.