Cheap alternatives to overpriced hydroponic nutrients

[organicness]

There is a growing with Sea Solids thread over at i c m a g that is very interesting. Picture perfect plants grown w/ around 2000ppm of sea solids plus 500 ppm of PBP. It's worth a look. I was even thinking of ordering some Sea-90 as a supplement. I think the idea is that after a millennia of erosion runoff, tides, etc., that the sea floor has a fairly complete profile of the spectrum of elements and minerals available.
Sounds interesting.

How many farmers are growing w/ ro water? Are you guys running Jack's alone, or are you adding epsom salts (or other)? if so, how many ppm should I add for an OG strain?

Oohhh... are we gonna start talking about ORMUS? I just started making my own after reading a bunch of stuff on it. Thanks for letting me know about that thread. Ima go hit that thread up.

 

[rickisonline]

If it's a full changeout, I add 1ml/gal of DutchMaster Zone, and 8-10ml of Superthrive.

I had a bit of trouble with low nutrient strength which no doubt will hurt my yields, caught it and am now pushing 1.6 EC at week 5.

When do you add your superthrive? At the beginning, middle or last? I'm running Jack's Hydro Herb along with Jack's super bloom @ 180 grams hydro, 30 grams super and 10 grams cal nitrate. The plants are roaring! This gives a ppm of around 750 (blue lab) in a 50 gal rez and I dont think the plants can take anymore. Green as green can be and getting huge. I'd like to add some superthrive to the mix though.

 

[raincheck]

according to ty, he is diluting it as well.

thats good to know, thats what I was thinking. Glad you posted this ds.

 

[ttystikk]

When do you add your superthrive? At the beginning, middle or last? I'm running Jack's Hydro Herb along with Jack's super bloom @ 180 grams hydro, 30 grams super and 10 grams cal nitrate. The plants are roaring! This gives a ppm of around 750 (blue lab) in a 50 gal rez and I dont think the plants can take anymore. Green as green can be and getting huge. I'd like to add some superthrive to the mix though.

180 grams in how much water?

I add Superthrive right at the beginning.

 

[ttystikk]

Sorry to correct you, but you said it several times and I'm afraid people will listen...

Its actually the opposite.

Think about it like this. If you add the Ca first, then its the most diluted it will ever be in the system. That way when you add a phosphate, etc it has the least chance for lock up. If you add it last, it sits at very high concentrations in the solution for several minutes at the very least.

This is why your going to generally find all the Ca in a two or three part in the first part, the A bottle.

It's important to keep in mind what it will tie up with in solution; if you add the Jacks and epsom salt, then it won't be diluted. I dunno- all I can say is that when I added calcium before other nutes, even diluted, I got lockup. Now, I don't. Call it anecdotal, call it luck, but it's what's working for me consistently and I wouldn't suggest others do the same if I didn't think it was the best route to take.

Are you sure the calcium is in the part A of most ferts? I rather think it's in the clear fluid, which is generally the part B. Sensi, for example...

 

[TylerDurden119]

just got back from the wholesaler and picked up 50lb bags of each of the six pack formula minus the trace elements which i got a 5 lb tub of.

I haven't had the chance but i figure my cost per feeding will be even lower than the jacks.

Gona have to take the time to figure out that calculator so i can hit that 3-1-4-2-1 with the salts.

 

[fatman41]

TylerDurden119
what were the calculations

 

[Capulator]

is this the fatman, or imposter?

 

[Capulator]

Sorry to correct you, but you said it several times and I'm afraid people will listen...

Its actually the opposite.

Think about it like this. If you add the Ca first, then its the most diluted it will ever be in the system. That way when you add a phosphate, etc it has the least chance for lock up. If you add it last, it sits at very high concentrations in the solution for several minutes at the very least.

This is why your going to generally find all the Ca in a two or three part in the first part, the A bottle.

the jacks bag says add CaNO3 last. it seems to me if the S is diluted in solution first then you add the Ca its the same thing as the other way around.

But then again, you ARE the expert ...

 

[desertsquirrel]

Are you sure the calcium is in the part A of most ferts? I rather think it's in the clear fluid, which is generally the part B. Sensi, for example...

Im sure. In every case the Ca is in "micro" or "A" (actual available):

(Botanicare Labels)
Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow (3-2-4) Mg.5% Ca1%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 91
P 26
K 101
Mg 15
Ca 30
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.2% Humic acid derived from leonardite.


Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Hydro (2-3-5) Mg.5% Ca1%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 40
K 126
Mg 15
Ca 30
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.15% Humic acid derived from leonardite.


Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Soil And Coco (1-4-5) Mg.5% Ca1%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 30
P 55
K 126
Mg 15
Ca 30
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.35% Humic acid derived from leonardite.


Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Grow (3-2-4) (NH4).14% (NO3)2.86% Mg.5% Ca2.8% S1.1% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 91
P 26
K 101
Mg 15
Ca 85
S 33
Mn 1.5
Mo 0.015
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


Botanicare CNS17 Coco Grow (3-1-2) (NH4).14% (NO3)2.86% Mg.5% Ca3.6% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 91
P 13
K 50
Mg 15
Ca 109
S NOT LISTED
Mn 1.5
Mo 0.015
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Bloom (2-2-5) (NH4)0.09% (NO3)1.91% Mg.5% Ca2% S1.14% Mn.03% Mo.0003%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 26
K 126
Mg 15
Ca 61
S 35
Mn 0.9
Mo 0.009
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


Botanicare CNS17 Coco Bloom (2-2-3) (NH4)0.09% (NO3)1.91% Mg.5% Ca2.5% S1.14% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 26
K 75
Mg 15
Ca 76
S 35
Mn 1.5
Mo 0.015
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


Botanicare CNS17 Ripe (1-5-4) Mg.1% Ca0.15% S.1% Mn.01% Mo.0001%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 30
P 66
K 101
Mg 3
Ca 5
S 3
Mn 0.30
Mo 0.003
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.


Dyna-Gro Grow (7-9-5) (NH4)2.6% (NO3)4.4% Mg0.5% Ca2.0% Fe0.1% S0.05% Mn0.05%
@10ml/Gal
N 242
P 136
K 143
Mg 17
Ca 69
S 2
Fe 3.4552
B .691
Cl NOT LISTED
Co 0.0518
Cu 1.7276
Mn 1.7276
Mo 0.0311
Ni NOT LISTED
Zn 1.7276
Derived From: Calcium Nitrate, Mono-Potassium Phosphate, Mono-Ammonium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Nickel Nitrate, Iron, Boric Acid, Potassium Chloride, Cobaltous Sulfate, Copper, Molybdic Acid, Manganese, and Zinc.


Dyna Gro Bloom (3-12-6) (NH4) 0.7% (NO3) 2.3% Mg0.5% Ca2% Fe0.1% S0.09% Mn0.05%
@10ml/Gal
N 103
P 181
K 172
Mg 17
Ca 69
S 3
Fe 3.4552
B .691
Cl NOT LISTED
Co 0.0518
Cu 1.7276
Mn 1.7276
Mo 0.0311
Zn 1.7276
Derived From: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Ammonium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Iron, Boric Acid, Potassium Chloride, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper, Molybdic Acid, Manganese, Zinc Disodium Ethylenediamine Tetra Acetate


(General Hydroponics Labels)
GH MaxiGro Powder (10-5-14) (NH4)1.5% (NO3)8.5% Mg2% Ca6.0% Fe.12% S3.0% Mn.05%
@5g/Gal
N 132
P 29
K 154
Mg 26
Ca 79
S 40
Fe 1.59
B NOT LISTED
Co NOT LISTED
Cu NOT LISTED
Mn 0.66
Mo NOT LISTED
Zn NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Calcium Sulfate, Iron DTPA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Manganese EDTA, Zinc Sulfate.


GH MaxiBloom Powder (5-15-14) (NH4)0.5% (NO3)4.5% Mg3.5% Ca5.0% Fe.1% S4.0%
@5g/Gal
N 66
P 86
K 154
Mg 46
Ca 66
S 53
Fe 1.32
B NOT LISTED
Co NOT LISTED
Cu NOT LISTED
Mn NOT LISTED
Mo NOT LISTED
Zn NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.


GH Floranova Bloom (4-8-7) (NH4)0.25% (NO3)3.75% Mg2.0% Ca4.0% Fe.1% S2.0%
1380g/946mL = 1.459g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 154
P 134
K 224
Mg 77
Ca 154
S 77
Fe 3.85
B NOT LISTED
Co NOT LISTED
Cu NOT LISTED
Mn NOT LISTED
Mo NOT LISTED
Zn NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Iron DTPA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.


GH FloraDuo Grow (sample) (6-0-6) (NH4)1.9% (NO3)4.1% Ca2.6% Fe.18% B.007% Co.0005% Cu.002% Mn.01% Mo.0015% Zn.003%
538g/473mL = 1.1374g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 180
P 0
K 150
Mg 0
Ca 78
S NOT LISTED
Fe 5.40
B 0.21
Co 0.015
Cu 0.060
Mn 0.30
Mo 0.045
Zn 0.090
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Nitrate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Nitrate, Diethylenetriaminepentaacetic Acid, Ethylenediamine-bis(2hydroxyphenyl)acetic Acid, Ethylenediaminetetraacetic Acid, Urea.


GH FloraDuo Bloom (sample) (0-4-2) Mg1.4% Fe.15% S1.6% B.008% Co.0005% Cu.002% Mn.008% Mo.0015% Zn.003%
538g/473mL = 1.1374g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 52
K 50
Mg 42
Ca 0
S 48
Fe 4.5
B 0.240
Co 0.015
Cu 0.060
Mn 0.240
Mo 0.045
Zn 0.090
Derived from: Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate, Diethylenetriaminepentaacetic Acid, Ethylenediamine-bis(2hydroxyphenyl)acetic Acid, Ethylenediaminetetraacetic Acid.


GH FloraDuo A (5-0-6) (NH4)0.6% (NO3)4.4% Mg.1% Ca3.0% Fe.05% B.018% Cu.007% Mn.03% Mo.0009% Zn.01%
573g/473mL = 1.211g/mL
@5mL/Gal
N 80
P 0
K 80
Mg 2
Ca 48
Fe 0.8
B 0.29
Mn 0.48
Mo 0.014
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Iron DPTA, Boric Acid, Copper EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc EDTA.


GH FloraDuo B (1-5-4) (NH4)0.45% (NO3)0.55% Mg1.5% S2.0% Fe.01% B0.01% Cu.003% Mn.01% Mo.0009% Zn.004%
564g/473mL = 1.192g/mL
@5mL/Gal
N 16
P 34
K 52
Mg 24
S 32
Fe 1.57
B 0.16
Cu 0.048
Mn 0.16
Mo 0.014
Na NOT LISTED
Zn 0.63
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono-Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Iron DPTA, Boric Acid, Copper EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc EDTA


GH Flora Micro HardWater (5-0-1) (NH4)0.3% (NO3)4.7% Ca1.0% Fe.1% Co.0005% Mn.05% Mo.0008%
4650g/3790mL = 1.123g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 162
P 0
K 27
Mg 0
Ca 32
Fe 3.24
B NOT LISTED
Co 0.016
Cu NOT LISTED
Mn 1.62
Mo 0.026
Zn NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Calcium Carbonate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDDHA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Nitrate, Copper Nitrate, Manganese EDTA, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Nitrate, Urea.


GH Flora Micro (5-0-1) (NH4)0.3% (NO3)4.7% Ca5.0% Fe.1% Co.0005% Mn.05% Mo.0008%
4650g/3790mL = 1.123g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 162
P 0
K 27
Mg 0
Ca 162
S NOT LISTED
Fe 3.24
B NOT LISTED
Co 0.016
Cu NOT LISTED
Mn 1.62
Mo 0.026
Zn NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Iron DPTA, Iron EDDHA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Nitrate, Copper Nitrate, Manganese EDTA, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Nitrate.


GH Flora Gro (2-1-6) (NH4)0.25% (NO3)1.75% Mg.5%
4360g/3790mL = 1.15g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 13
K 151
Mg 15
Ca 0
S NOT LISTED
Derived from: Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Ammonium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Carbonate, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate.


GH Flora Bloom (0-5-4) Mg1.5% S1.0%
4360g/3790mL = 1.15g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 66
K 101
Mg 46
Ca 0
S 30
Derived from: Potassium Phosphate, Phosphoric Acid, Magnesium Sulfate, Magnesium Carbonate, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate.


Cutting Edge Solutions Master Brochure.pdf
Cutting Edge Solution Micro (6-0-0) (NH4)0.3% (NO3)5.7% Ca5% Fe.1% B.02% Co.0005% Mn.05% Mo.0008%
1200g/946mL = 1.27g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 201
P 0
K 0
Mg 0
Ca 168
S NOT LISTED
Fe 3.35
B 0.67
Co 0.02
Mn 1.68
Mo 0.03
Na NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Calcium Carbonate, Iron DPTA, Iron EDDHA, Boric Acid, Cobalt Sulfate, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Nitrate.


Cutting Edge Solution Bloom (0-6-5) Mg1% S2%
1090g/946mL= 1.15g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 80
K 126
Mg 30
Ca 0
S 61
Derived from: Phosphoric Acid, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate.


Technaflora BC Boost (3-0-2) Ca3.21% Fe.0409%
562g/500mL = 1.124g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 89
P 0
K 49
Mg 0
Ca 95
Fe 1.21
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Iron DTPA.


Technaflora BC Grow (1-3-6) Mg1.11% S1.44% B.0119% Cu.00384% Mn.0429% Mo.00041% Zn.0201%
562g/500mL = 1.124g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 30
P 39
K 148
Mg 33
Ca 0
Fe 0
S 43
B 0.3
Cu 0.11
Mn 1.27
Mo 0.012
Zn 0.6
Na NOT LISTED
Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Boric Acid, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.


Technaflora BC Bloom (1-4-7) Mg.852% S1.37% B.0072% Cu.00268% Mn.0240% Mo.00012% Zn.0139%
562g/500mL = 1.124g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 30
P 52
K 173
Mg 25
Ca 0
Fe 0
S 41
B 0.21
Cu 0.08
Mn 0.71
Mo 0.0036
Zn 0.41
Na NOT LISTED
Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Boric Acid, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.


Advanced Nutrients OLD Sensi Bloom Labels
AN Sensi Bloom A (4.3-0-3.1) (NH4)0.1% (NO3)4.2% Ca1.7% Mo.0008%
4100g/4000mL =1.025g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 116
P 0
K 70
Mg 0
Ca 46
Fe NOT LISTED
S 0
B NOT LISTED
Cu NOT LISTED
Mn NOT LISTED
Mo 0.22
Zn NOT LISTED
Na NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Iron DPTA, Iron EDDHA, Iron EDTA, Cobalt EDTA, Copper EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc EDTA, Nitrogen Chelate, Potassium Chelate, Calcium Chelate, Iron Chelate, Boron Chelate, Cobalt Chelate Copper Chelate, Manganese Chelate, Molybdenum Chelate, Zinc Chelate, Urea. Fulvic Acid, Humic Acid.


AN Sensi Bloom B (1.5-6.1-5.7) (NH4)0.02% (NO3)1.48% Mg1% Mo.0008%
4100g/4000mL =1.025g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 41
P 72
K 128
Mg 27
S NOT LISTED
Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Magnesium Phosphate, Monoammonium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Nitrogen Chelate, Phosphorous Chelate, Potassium Chelate, Magnesium Chelate, Urea.


Advanced Nutrients NEW Sensi Bloom GMA's
AN Sensi Bloom A (2-4-0) Mg0.6% Ca2.1%
1g/1mL =1g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 53
P 46
K 0
Mg 16
Ca 55
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate.


AN Sensi Bloom B (2-0-4) S1.1%
1g/1mL =1g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 53
P 0
K 88
Mg NOT LISTED
S 29
Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Urea.


Bloom Advanced Floriculture
Bloom Advanced Floriculture Coco Flower A (5.4-0-5.6) (NH4).36% (NO3)5.04% Ca4.14% Fe.004%
1g/1mL =1g/mL
@5g or mL/Gal
N 71
P 0
K 61
Ca 55
Fe 0.053
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Iron EDDHA. 0.004% Thiamine Hydrochloride.


Bloom Advanced Floriculture Coco Flower B (3-3.6-8.2) Mg1.35% S1.71% Fe.027% B.007% Cu.001% Mo.001% Mn.005% Zn.0004%
1g/1mL =1g/mL
@5g or mL/Gal
N 40
P 21
K 90
Mg 18
S 23
Fe 0.356
B 0.092
Cu 0.013
Na NOT LISTED
Mn 0.066
Mo 0.013
Zn 0.005
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Iron DPTA, Boric Acid, Copper EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc EDTA. 0.005 Leonardite Coal.


Humboldt Nutrients
Humboldt Nutrients Grow Natural (2-1-6)
1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml (assumed)
@10mL/Gal
N 65
P 14
K 163
Derived from: Ocean Fish, Seaplant Extract, Quillaja Saponaria, Yucca Extract, Bentonite and Cane Molasses


Humboldt Nutrients Bloom Natural (0-10-0) Ca10%
1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 142
K 0
Ca 327
Derived from: Soft Rock Phosphate, Kelp and 2% Yucca Extract.

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NEW Botanicare Hydroplex (0-10-6) Mg .5% S.7% Fe.01% Mn.002% Mo.0001% Zn.0002%
4360g/3800mL = 1.148g/mL
@2.5mL/Gal
N NOT LISTED
P 33
K 38
Mg 4
S 5
Fe 0.076
Mn 0.015
Mo 0.0008
Zn 0.0015
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Ferric Nitrate, Potassium Borate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate, Hydrolysates, Riboflavin, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Thiamine, Pyridoxine, Glycine, Alanine, Valine, Leucine, Threonine, Aspartic Acid, Glutamic Acid, Lysine, Arginine, Histidine, Cysteine, Cysteine Methionine, Proline, Phenylalanine, Tyrosine, Tryptophan. (Everything hyperlinked is a B-Vitamin or Amino Acid.)


OLD Botanicare Hydroplex Soil (0-12-8) Mg .5%
2260g/1890mL = 1.196g/mL
@2.5mL/Gal
N NOT LISTED
P 41
K 52
Mg 4
S NOT LISTED
Derived from: Potassium Phosphate, Phosphoric Acid, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonia Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate.


GH Liquid KoolBloom (0-10-10)
1120g/946mL = 1.184g/mL
@2.5mL/Gal
N 0
P 34
K 65
Mg NOT LISTED
S NOT LISTED
Derived from: Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Sulfate.


GH KoolBloom Powder (2-45-28) (NH4)2% Mg1% S1.5%
@1g/Gal
N 5
P 52
K 61
Mg 3
S 4
Derived from:Potassium Phosphate, Ammonium Phosphate, Ammonium Sulfate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate.


Technaflora Awesome Blossoms (2-11-11) (NH4).82% (NO3)1.18% Fe.0008% B.00011% Cu.00011% Mn.00024% Mo.00001% Zn.00005%
128g/125mL = 1.024g/mL
@2.5mL/Gal
N 14
P 32
K 62
Mg 0
Ca 0
S NOT LISTED
Fe 0.005
B 0.0007
Cu 0.0007
Mn 0.0016
Mo 0.0001
Na NOT LISTED
Zn 0.0003
Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Diphosphoric Acid, Ammonium Nitrate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Boric Acid, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.


Humboldt Nutrients DeuceDeuce (0-0-22)
1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml
@5mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 298
Ca 0
S NOT LISTED
Derived from: Potassium Sulfate, Ascophyllum Nodosum Kelp, and 1% Yucca Extract.

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Botanicare Cal Mag Plus (2-0-0) Mg1.2% Ca3.2% Fe.1%
1.0208 g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 54
P 0
K 0
Mg 32
Ca 86
Fe 2.7
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Iron EDTA.


Technaflora MagiCal (2-0-0) Mg1.25% Ca3.25% Fe.11%
142g/125mL = 1.136g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 60
P 0
K 0
Mg 38
Ca 98
Fe 3.3
Cl NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Calcium Chloride, Magnesium Nitrate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA.


General Organics CaMg+ (0-0-0) Mg1% Ca5%
1120g/946mL = 1.18393g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 0
Mg 31
Ca 156
Derived from: Calcium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Molasses.


Ferti-lome Yield Booster Stop Blossom End Rot Foliar Spray (0-0-0) Ca1.5% Cl1.2%
738g/710mL = 1.04g/mL
@1mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 0
Ca 4
Cl 3.30
Derived from: Calcium Chloride.

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Technaflora Root66 (1-1-1) (NH4)1% Fe0.05% B0.05%
255g/250mL = 1.02g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 27
P 12
K 22
Fe 1.35
B 1.35
Derived from: Ascophyllium Kelp, Iron EDTA, Boric Acid. 0.5% Cane Sugar.


Botanicare Liquid Karma (.1-.1-.5)
950g/960mL = 0.98958 g/mL (THIS CANT BE RIGHT, UNLESS IT'S LIGHTER THAN WATER) Thanks for proofreading your labels Botanicare.
@10mL/Gal
N 3
P 1
K 11


Dark Energy (2-0-0) (NO3)2%
1016g/960mL = 1.06g/mL
@2.5mL/Gal
N 14
P 0
K 0
Derived from: Protein Hydrolysate.


GH Floralicious Plus (2-0.8-0.02)
1070g/946mL = 1.13g/mL
@1mL/Gal
N 6
P 0.1
K 0
S NOT LISTED
Derived from: Vegetable Protein Hydrolysate, Potassium Sulfate. 2% Humic Acids. 20% Sea Kelp derived from Ascophyllum Nodosum.


Technaflora Thrive Alive B1 Green (1-1-1) Fe.01%
142g/125mL = 1.136g/mL
@5mL/Gal
N 15
P 7
K 12
Fe 0.3
Derived from: Macrocystis Kelp, Nereocystis Kelp, Ascophyllum Kelp, All Natural Organic Fertilizer. 0.9% Vitamin B1.


Technaflora Thrive Alive B1 Red (1-1-1) (NH4).5% (NO3).5%
142g/125mL = 1.136g/mL
@5mL/Gal
N 15
P 7
K 12
Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Ammonium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Diammonium Phosphate, Macrocystis Kelp, Nereocystis Kelp, Ascophyllum Kelp. 0.9% Vitamin B1.


General Organics Black Diamond (0-0-1)
992g/946mL = 1.04863g/mL
@5mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 11
Derived from: Potassium Hydroxide. 6% Humic Acids.


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Botanicare Sweet Original Berry (0-0-0) Mg1.5% S2%
1080g/960mL = 1.065 g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 0
Mg 42
Ca 0
S 56
Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate.


Technaflora Sugar Daddy (0-0-0) Mg1.6% S1.75%
277.75g/250mL = 1.11g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 0
Mg 47
Ca 0
S 51
Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate. 2% Cane Sugar.


GH Flora Nectar FruitnFusion (0-0-1) Mg.5% S.5%
1030g/946mL = 1.09g/ml
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 24
Mg 14
Ca 0
S 14
Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate. 17.5% Cane Sugar 7.5% Malt Extract, 5% Molasses.


Safegrow Fulmag (0-0-0) Mg.5%
544g/470mL = 1.16g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 0
Mg 15
S NOT LISTED
Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate, Citric Acid.

 

[kushtrees]

epic post DS haha... now if only HG would put an accurate lable on there stuff ahaha

 

[ttystikk]

epic post DS haha... now if only HG would put an accurate lable on there stuff ahaha

No shit- since they can't get that right, I figured they weren't paying much attention to what was going IN the damned bottles, either- so I don't use them.

I still swear by Jacks Hydroponic- it's working extremely well for me, and I feel like I know exactly what my girls are eating... and it's wicked cheap by comparison to the liquid nutes.

 

[ttystikk]

Desert Squirrel, I don't doubt your encyclopedic knowlege of what's in the nutes, but I went back and re-read the Jacks bag, and they were quite clear; add the Calciun Nitrate after both the Jacks and the epsom salts.

Go with what works, right? Adding calcium last is working for me. When I did it the other way 'round, I had problems- and, it seems others do, too.

I have a hypothesis about why this might be, let me know if you're interested.

 

[rickisonline]

If I recall correctly, the phosphorous and calcium are the issues when adding the parts.

 

[ttystikk]

If I recall correctly, the phosphorous and calcium are the issues when adding the parts.

Calcium likes to bind up with a lot of stuff. Since I add epsom salts on a regular basis, I suspect in my case it was binding with the sulfur and creating... gypsum. Same stuff as in drywall. Not real water soluble, lol

In any case, the lower the solution strength, the less likely lockup, or flocculation, will occur. So, dilute the nutes even before adding them. This may well be more important than what order one adds them in.

 

[rickisonline]

Yesterday I noticed exactly what you are stating about dilution being important. I was adding some multi zen and had terrible floculation that just pushed it to the top in gobs of swirling snot. After a rez change, I diluted the multi zen, bubbled it over night, added it to the rez and not a problem.

Hey ttystikk, ever wonder why the canna boost and other boosters have a green hue? Alfalfa and beeswax seems to rule with this fatty alcohol: Triacontanol --- aka Canna Boost et al



On amazon its $18 a bottle. it sure looks like fun!

If you are real ambitious, here is a ton of fun!




Bet a neat booster could come out of all of this! (if one feels the need to boost!)


Wow just checked ebay and it's all there....CHEAP. Bet one could make a 5 liter bottle for under $50 and have the same as a $500 one.

 

[desertsquirrel]

Go with what works right?
I have a hypothesis about why this might be, let me know if you're interested.

Yup always what works.

shoot with the hypothesis - id like to hear it.

BTW gypsum is widely used in the ag industry.

 

[Chronic Monster]

:giggle
maybe the Guy who does H &G labels does Jack's as well. I been following the directions printed on the bag, you saying that's wrong DS?

 

[ttystikk]

Yup always what works.

shoot with the hypothesis - id like to hear it.

BTW gypsum is widely used in the ag industry.

Gypsum works fine in soil, but because it's 97% insoluble, it's not going to work in RDWC... I don't know enough about soilless and coco to know whether an insoluble nutrient would work there or not.

So, on with the hypothesis:
Basics first- flocculation occurs when the solution strength of a pair of minerals prone to binding rises above a critical point- I don't know the chemistry here, so I can't give exact figures.

Since most people's tapwater has calcium in it as the primary component of their water's hardness, adding more calcium first raises this solution strength, making any flocculation event that much more likely to occur.

When adding calcium last, this potential is mitigated as long as the grower gives the rest of the nutrients time to fully dilute before adding the calcium.

End of hypothesis- and I wouldn't have a clue how to go about validating it. All I can say is that I add my calcium last, well diluted, to my RDWC with the other nutes already in place and well diluted and it's been working very well for me. For what it's worth, I haven't had a nutrient lockup issue since I switched to Jacks, and I definitely did beforehand.

As I said a day or two ago, I think that prediluting nutrients into 5 gallons of water before adding to one's system is an essential step to reducing this likelihood, and in fact may be more important to the prevention of nutrient lockup than the order in which the nutes themselves are added.

I find it interesting that most nutrient manufacturers have the user put their calcium in first in the A part of their two part system. It's only when I started using Jacks that I was able to more fully understand what I was putting in my RDWC, and that's led to quite a rethink about what I'm using, how and why on my part.

 

[fatman41]

im a fake didnt know there was a fatman when i joined up.i should prob
reregister