Chobbles 2000W Flower Room; Alien OG & Girl Scout Cookies

[Chobble]

I should really turn the fans and everything off before I take pictuers, Sorry for crappy pictures none the less. Everything is looking pretty good. Theres some nute stress on the younger babies but that should all be worked out now. I did my weekly spray of B1-Vitamin and Azamax today. Everything is growing though, So I will take that as a positive sign, I think the young growth on these plants where really stressed by the change in light levels. I know I also upped the nutes on them a little to much off the bat, but things will be fine.

Anyways I pre-mixed my fertilizer's so that my EC will adjust lightly over the next couple of weeks. We'll see how much we can feed these bad boys. Remember, this is a test grow so Im being a little playful. Not trying to kill the plants, just see what I can make them do on a production schedule to help balance my schedule as I expand the room.

Anyways, Just the daily pic of the board.

Chobble

 

[Chobble]

A few pictures of the day, Something has been causing slight curling of the leaf tips. I would say heat stress, but the room hasn't gotten over 74 degrees and the air movement in the room is superb. None the less, even with these signs of stress the plants are growing very quickly so I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. Which is dropping my ec by .2-.3 and seeing if that wasnt the cause for the problems with the leaves.

I dont think any of it is to major, and most likely working itself out because most of the new growth is very healthy/happy.

Girl Scout Cookies - These are the fresh cuts I put in, not the teens. They've tripled in size in the last six days.

Alien OG - The one on the bottom is the runt of the whole batch. Im thinking about switching it out if it doesnt catch up. You can definitely see the environmental stress on the leaf tips here. It seems like all the plants went through this, HPS light shock? I went from 3,000 Lumes/sqft to 9,000 lumens/sqft.

Last but not least to give the media an extra buffer I've been brewing compost tea injected with Roots Excelerator to see if I cant breed the fungi in that expensive product into my tea and in turn dump the 3 gallon bucket into there. Next round I want to do a side by side comparing the two, because Roots Excel WORKS REALLY REALLY WELL. It's to exspensive for me to actually want to buy though, Which is why if I could translate 3ml to 3gal of tea and then dump that into my 100gal reservoir. Anyways I finished my best batch of the tea this morning with a secret ingredient from the kitchen. I forgot to take pictures till after I dumped it in though. So heres my "Ops Chobbles a dumb ass" right after I dumped the twice strained bucket out.

Chobble

 

[GR33NL3AF]

What kind of watering schedule are you on with those..... are they drippers or sprayers?

 

[Chobble]

What kind of watering schedule are you on with those..... are they drippers or sprayers?

They're drippers. Basket drippers, I've never used them before this project. I usually steal the pressurized drippers from work, They're just a cheaper more economical model, the basket drippers are nice because they come in three parts. Allowing me to take the dripper apart if I need to move plants around instead of pulling it out. 3 Minutes every 3 hours. Watering ~1Liter per pot. I tested 8 different sites at the same time. Getting ~15% run off. I should test the run off with a bucket though.. Thats just a guess from experience.

Chobble

 

[Chobble]

Okay so I've been working in the room tonight. I'm thinking russet mites may be the problem for the leaf curling and a rusty deficiency showing up on a few of the leaves.

I treated them with Azamax two days ago, as per my IPM schedule. I hit them again the minute I was concerned (Its not gonna hurt). I have SNS Oil on hand as well and will probably hit them with that in the following days.

I was wondering if adding azamax to my reservoir would be beneficial in controlling these buggers?

Does anyone have experience treating russet mites?

Also maybe I dont even have them. My loops at the farm and I need to go get it in the morning to start identifying. Mind you no mites have been found, but I know they're tiny so Im going to look every inch over thoroughly.

Anyways if anyone wants to put in there two cents...

Here are some examples of the leaf curling...

Then the rust...

If it is russet mites, They have yet to spread to most of the plants. Let me know what you guys think?

The other guess is mag defciency with a little pH issue (Worked out, with ph adjusting res and mag/sulfate added). My mix is rather low on the mg.

Anyways Im gonna go roll a doobie catch some Z's and get ready to woop some ass in the morning. Check out this little nug of my Strawberry Gold (Bubba Gold x Strawberry Cough)

Good Growin Farmers
Chobble

 

[Seamaiden]

Hi Chobble, that's a sweet little nug ya got there!

Remembering that I personally have never dealt with russet mites, I will say that to me what you're showing does not resemble what I've seen depicted and diagnosed as russet mites. I see a P- and a Ca-, with leaf curling that I typically associate with pH being outside of parameters.

That said, I've done a lot of reading on these things, and one of the 'tells' is a rust colored 'fungus' that builds up around petioles and the like. IIRC, when I was first reading about these things a fellow on another forum had been dealing with it as though it were a fungus, quite successfully, using a sulfur-based fungus treatment. That was before folks began putting a scope to this stuff and saw that the 'fungus' was actually tiny bugs. This is all going from memory from a few years ago.

But honestly, what you're showing looks like 'simple' deficiencies and since you've got more than one going on, and clear signs of Ca-, I would deal with the Ca issues first, see what happens. I haven't read up on what your husbandry procedures are, nor where your feeding and environmental parameters are at.

 

[Chobble]

Hi Chobble, that's a sweet little nug ya got there!

Remembering that I personally have never dealt with russet mites, I will say that to me what you're showing does not resemble what I've seen depicted and diagnosed as russet mites. I see a P- and a Ca-, with leaf curling that I typically associate with pH being outside of parameters.

That said, I've done a lot of reading on these things, and one of the 'tells' is a rust colored 'fungus' that builds up around petioles and the like. IIRC, when I was first reading about these things a fellow on another forum had been dealing with it as though it were a fungus, quite successfully, using a sulfur-based fungus treatment. That was before folks began putting a scope to this stuff and saw that the 'fungus' was actually tiny bugs. This is all going from memory from a few years ago.

But honestly, what you're showing looks like 'simple' deficiencies and since you've got more than one going on, and clear signs of Ca-, I would deal with the Ca issues first, see what happens. I haven't read up on what your husbandry procedures are, nor where your feeding and environmental parameters are at.

Thanks a lot for checking it out maiden. Thats what I thought, but after losing my last indoor to root aphids I would rather be hyper paranoid. Im hitting them with a foliar of Ca-25 when it arrives in the mail. Along with using phospheric acid injection to bring my water pH down.

Thanks again maiden :)
Chobble

 

[Chobble]

I hit them with a foliar of Calcium nitrate and seaweed extract tonight. Three hours later and they look much better. Im still worried about some of the growth tips as the look pretty messed up. Ill figure it out, I have extra plants to swap in too.

Chobble

 

[Chobble]

Everythings looking a lot better. Foliar feeding saved my ass on that one, phew :banghead:.

Currently feeding at 6.5 pH with an ec of ~1.3.

What happened was my water pH jumped all the way up to 7.6 which is really high for my area. I just mixed my solution like I always do and went on my way. Anyways my bottle of food grade phosphoric acid also showed up so Im done using the general hydro watered down crap. I believe its 15% while food is 85% and hort grade is 95% (Atleast the stuff I get at work is 95%)

Anyways new res fill tomorrow going to balance my nutes based off of dankworths thread. I may tone down my N:K ratio a bit but all n all I think its going to work really well.

Pictures will come.

Chobble

 

[Seamaiden]

:D Ain't it great that giving them a little spritzer can save things?

 

[Chobble]

:D Ain't it great that giving them a little spritzer can save things?

God it is. Thank you for the help maiden :) I think working and school got to me and 2:00 AM was not the time to be diagnosing my problems, well hell I diagnosed the problems off the bat. So maybe 2:00 am isnt the time to sit and watch them.. The paranoia comes out :P.

Anyways thank you much :)
Chobble

 

[soserthc1]

glad all is back on track best of luck - i'll peep in .. and watch the show ....

peace SoSer

 

[Chobble]

Loving all the support from the farm :) Thanks for the good vibes guys.


Anyways 2:1 soil tests have the pH at 6.6 so Im happy with that. Still pHing everything to 6.4-6.5. Fed at 1.3 EC Today, will amp it up to 1.5 over the next two res fills.

Anywho heres the Girl Scout Cookies

The Alien OG...

Alien OG is definitely straggling. Who knows things may get interesting...

Chobble

 

[GR33NL3AF]

Hey Chobble, looking good brother!

Question, you're running Promix? Isn't recommended pH for that mix 5.8-6.3? How come 6.4-6.6? Have you ran this mix with this pH before??

Thanks buddy! I'm running some Promix now, for the first time..

 

[Chobble]

Hey Chobble, looking good brother!

Question, you're running Promix? Isn't recommended pH for that mix 5.8-6.3? How come 6.4-6.6? Have you ran this mix with this pH before??

Thanks buddy! I'm running some Promix now, for the first time..

I've heard everything from 5.5-6.8... I think its about acclimating the plant, My mothers rock a pH of 7.0 with constant feedings. They're the healthiest plants in the room so Im confused about whats going on here.

The mothers are in straight promix, Every plant I've ever put in promix has done great. A lot of my non-cannabis related growing experience is in a sunshine/promix.

Im definitely going to keep lowering my pH because I'm sure a lower pH of 6.3-6.6 is going to be ideal. I'm still growing in a media ~40% peat and my nutrient solution is set up to dictate my media ph/ec with a lower cec because I have lots of perlite.

You may be right though, my ideal ph range may be 5.9-6.2, I will definitely adjust to that if it looks necessary.

Ive recently order...

Ca-25 (1/2 lb) Which I hope will help speed growth up by making calcium more available via foliar.

Caps Bennies, I've used them a lot before because they're great! I used the last of mine this summer and will be continuing there use this week when they arrive.

85% phosphoric acid, screw gen hydro -.-

Potassium sulfate, the 4th nute I should of just bought instead of ordering peters.

On that note I'll probably end up ordering calcium nitrate soon... and just start mixing my fertilizers because its a lot easier for me personally.

Chobble

 

[Chobble]

Everythings going well, Keeping the pH at 6.5 for now even though I think the alien OG want it lower. I applied a foliar of Ca-25 after the lights turned on tonight, we'll see how everything goes with that. For now though everything looks exceptional.


The Girl Scout cookies, All the clones are growing in uniform. The younger ones are getting taller and I removed lower branches to trigger meristem growth. I want to flip them ASAP. Plan was today but Im thinking another week is nessacary. Roots are growing out of all these pots like crazy! If I could get a good picture I would but its some SERIOUS root porn.

Alien OG are growing well, The Clones and teens are closer in size atleast but the teens are definitely growing faster. There still some curl leaf and things are growing a lot. The clones are definitely growing more though. The root systems are developing more then the GSC.

Anyways Ill post more pictures after the CA-25 treatment.

 

[Chobble]

Things are growin well in the room. Getting ready to flip this week with the canopy getting level and root systems developing I am really excited about this run.

I've been brewing compost tea and giving a cup to each plant twice a week along with a weekly foliar spray. Caps bennies and roots excel are being added to increase microbial life.

pH is under control now, I got rid of the General hydro phosphoric acid. That stuff is only 15% H3PO4. I got a gallon of 85% and it is working much better. I will probably end up ordering a larger barrel of 95% when I expand, depending on the addition of an RO machine as well.

This Girl Scout cookie canopy is just sexy. It looks like Im going to top the smaller clones tonight and flip everything on friday.

The Alien OG Canopy is definitely evening out, but not nearly as well as the GSC. Its still being a little finicky, too. I hope to get the pH satisfactory for both plants.

Anyways I gotta get homework done..

Chobble

 

[GR33NL3AF]

Looking good Chobble!

 

[soserthc1]

Yep seem to be coming along nicely now .....

 

[Chobble]

Everythings growing really well, Good growth on the OG and Great growth on the GSC. The Alien is still showing pH problems so the pH has been brough down to 5.8 the GSC seem to be fine with it, Still applying the occasional foliar and Im hitting them with caps teas tonight via foliar. I did Ca-25 and Seaweed yesterday. Today was the first day of flower though so lets see how things get growin.

ROOT GROWTH IS EXPLOSIVE. Heres a shot of one of the pots, it's been crazy on ever pot. I've been lifting them up and checking the underside, IM FRIKIN HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS.

Anyways everythings growin well ;)

Chobble