Clones with problems. Can anyone help

[Ryboburton]

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Ph 6.4 everytime.
Soil
Gave them a half dose of power si last water. The plants they came from loved it.
I use Baxter for the gods nute line but the plants have got very little. Maybe 300 ppm. Any help?

 

[JerryGarcia]

They're clones. The only thing that matters at this stage is the very top. Yours look fine. Keep taking care of them and be patient. Don't worry about the lower leaves dying. That just happens.

Edit: And don't feed them. Just water for now.

 

[FourthCity]

T
Ph 6.4 everytime.
Soil
Gave them a half dose of power si last water. The plants they came from loved it.
I use Baxter for the gods nute line but the plants have got very little. Maybe 300 ppm. Any help?

The light and fan are both too close/powerful for plants that size.

 

[mfed]

looks like overwater or cold

 

[Ryboburton]

Temps are 74 to 76 day. Rh is 60. 68 to 70 at night. The plants they were taken from were way smaller than that and thrived under that light. I don’t want to feed them either but damn they’re probably four months or more old. Almost wondering if they should’ve been hardened into that light. Any ideas welcome. The new growth looks great then burns. The plants are growing right now

 

[congolaw]

Temps are 74 to 76 day. Rh is 60. 68 to 70 at night. The plants they were taken from were way smaller than that and thrived under that light. I don’t want to feed them either but damn they’re probably four months or more old. Almost wondering if they should’ve been hardened into that light. Any ideas welcome. The new growth looks great then burns. The plants are growing right now

Looks like pH might be slightly high, and possibly locking nutrients out. Hold off on Si for now. Try lowering to 5.5-5.8, them raise up slowly to 6.0-6.2, and find a watering dry cycle.

 

[Ryboburton]

These plants are still giving me problems. Any ideas?

 

[GNick55]

harsh advice, but start over.
too many issues, light burn, over feeding, etc.
plants are way stressed.

 

[Ryboburton]

Strange thing is they haven’t been fed hardly at all

 

[Akabudz]

How long since they took root?

Raise that light up, clones need very little. Light

 

[Grownsince95]

I had a similar problem on a smaller scale, turns out they weren't really rooted properly before I started blasting them with wind and light. You can see in my grow journal my plants look almost exactly like yours but smaller and they recovered just fine.

Near death experiences with cloning...SourD

Not too long ago I arranged to get some sour d clones from a fellow grower. They day they came and it was obvious they were not the greatest cuttings but I was basically obligated to take them at that point so here we go... They were in soil and had been cut 10 days before. They were buggy...

www.thcfarmer.com

 

[Grownsince95]

How compact is that soil? Are they getting enough air in the roots? So hard to tell from pics....whats the soil like? And gentle with that fan in the beginning too, possible wind stress should be the first thing to eliminate. I guess from the pics to me it looks like your plants and soil are in some sort of hot dry windy condition but I saw the temps/rh you posted so im stumped.

 

[MHippie]

The first question I have is how were they cloned? I grow in soil too. Here's how I do it...

Hortipot Aero Cloner
Clonex mixed at 4tbl per gal

I recently switched to this machine. And I got my first 100% survival in idk how long. 24 for 24. I parked an 8 bulb T5HO off of them for the duration. Little heat and just enough light. They all continued to grow which was weird. Once they popped roots I waited until each just touched the top of the water. And then they got transplanted into dirt. The promix was saturated before transplant and then I let them go dry before feeding again. My 2 follow up feedings before I switched to grow nutes were both the same clonex nutes solution mentioned above.

Dealt with a mold issue that was resolved quickly. But that was the only hang up. 21 strains. 24 clones. Stuff works :)

To me it looks like your plants are having a problem with nute uptake. I stay right around 6.3 ph always for feeding. I read somewhere that this is the new optimum and haven't had any lockout since going there.

If those were mine then I'd assume bad root dev, get some Clonex and feed it at 4tbl per gal until they recovered. If that doesn't do it then I'd pull them and start again.

What kind of dirt are you using?

 

[Ryboburton]

The first question I have is how were they cloned? I grow in soil too. Here's how I do it...

Hortipot Aero Cloner
Clonex mixed at 4tbl per gal

I recently switched to this machine. And I got my first 100% survival in idk how long. 24 for 24. I parked an 8 bulb T5HO off of them for the duration. Little heat and just enough light. They all continued to grow which was weird. Once they popped roots I waited until each just touched the top of the water. And then they got transplanted into dirt. The promix was saturated before transplant and then I let them go dry before feeding again. My 2 follow up feedings before I switched to grow nutes were both the same clonex nutes solution mentioned above.

Dealt with a mold issue that was resolved quickly. But that was the only hang up. 21 strains. 24 clones. Stuff works :)

To me it looks like your plants are having a problem with nute uptake. I stay right around 6.3 ph always for feeding. I read somewhere that this is the new optimum and haven't had any lockout since going there.

If those were mine then I'd assume bad root dev, get some Clonex and feed it at 4tbl per gal until they recovered. If that doesn't do it then I'd pull them and start again.

What kind of dirt are you using?

That’s the weird thing. They rooted well and right away. They’re grown in nectar for the gods #4 soil Ph is always 6.2. The plants they were taken from loved it. The strange thing is they are like four months old. I had them in a closet once they were in soil under an hlg quantum board. I don’t understand they light since they never really took off but now they are under a 315 lec. First pics are of them in the cloner Third is the garden when they were cut before flower. Next three of them in rapid rooters when I put them in dirt. Next four after planted in dirt. Next three of the garden at the end of flower in the same conditions the clones are in now. Next two are the clones while transplanted to one gal pots. Roots seemed fine. Last is one of the same clones outdoors

 

[Ryboburton]

And sorry. Cloned with clonex solution and gel in rapid rooters

 

[Anthem]

Ryboburton, the problem does not appear to be a light or nutrient burn issue. If it was a nutrient burn issue it would start at the top of the plant, the problem appears to be working its way up the plant. Secondly, if it was a light issue the tops of the plants would look the worst first. The leaves are cupping upward in some of the pictures which does make it look light a light issue. There is something else going on with said plants. If it was my grow I would probable start looking for bugs. I think you might have Root Aphids or Broad Mites. That is were I would start. If it is either I would just start over because those plants have been stressed so badly. It is a good idea to find out the issue so it does not happen agian.

 

[Ryboburton]

I’ve looked with a digital microscope under the leaves. No evidence of bugs there or anywhere in the garden. I was just thinking maybe they are hurting from being moved from an led light to the more powerful ceramic

 

[Anthem]

I’ve looked with a digital microscope under the leaves. No evidence of bugs there or anywhere in the garden. I was just thinking maybe they are hurting from being moved from an led light to the more powerful ceramic

I would take the worst off plant and gentle start digging up the soil and have a look at the roots. Root Aphids live in the soil.
Also you posted 2 pictures when you up potted the plants, if you have those saved and are better quality you can start looking there.

 

[Ryboburton]

I would take the worst off plant and gentle start digging up the soil and have a look at the roots. Root Aphids live in the soil.
Also you posted 2 pictures when you up potted the plants, if you have those saved and are better quality you can start looking there.

Here’s close ups

 

[Anthem]

I am having a really hard time seeing things in the pictures. I see some questionable things, but I would still dig up the worst plant and start looking for bugs running around in the soil and on the roots.