Co2 tank system in a tent ? Is it worth it

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Is there a simple system for using co2 tanks with a small grow tent set up (120cmx220cmx200cm )in terms of not having to vent away all the co2 to cool down the tent
 
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You should use a mini split for c02 in a sealed room.

I’ve heard of some tent growers using candles to supply c02 on the cheap. Obviously a fire hazard but just putting it out there.
 
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Is there a simple system for using co2 tanks with a small grow tent set up (120cmx220cmx200cm )in terms of not having to vent away all the co2 to cool down the tent
I went through this a few years ago and the answer I found was no. Not without a sealed room with all of the proper equipment in a stable environment. Think Lab setting. Even then the skill of the grower to knowing how to get the most out of the Co2 to capitalize on using it. The environment is number 1 control it and C02 is not necessary for the average home grower. Better off spending money on good equipment than chasing Co2
 
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If you have the lights to back up co2, I think it would be worth it.

I believe the whole point is plants can absorb stronger light with more co2.
 
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I went through this a few years ago and the answer I found was no. Not without a sealed room with all of the proper equipment in a stable environment. Think Lab setting. Even then the skill of the grower to knowing how to get the most out of the Co2 to capitalize on using it. The environment is number 1 control it and C02 is not necessary for the average home grower. Better off spending money on good equipment than chasing Co2
I have pretty good quality equipment and have been growing a couple years getting good harvest and having good environmental control and can only run my lights upto 70% max so thought my next option is co2
 
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Burning candles not only is that a stupid fire risk you’d also need loads of them to make a difference and I can’t figure out how you’d get enough without burning your tent down or even your house ending up with Blue flashing lights outside your house

one candle would just produce a placebo effect.

Yes you say your just putting it out there but someone might of been stupid enough to try it
 
MEGA956

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Get a few co2 bags, perfect for small spaces. No candles.
 
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Get a few co2 bags, perfect for small spaces. No candles.
Waste of money unless your in a sealed environment, above said placebo effect I think that goes for Co2 bags as well. I know a ton of home growers and none are using co2. We've all inquired about it at one time or another and a few have jumped in but its expensive and not worth it apparently because none of them are using it now, that I know of. I don't hear it talked about any more, it sorta dropped off the radar. It may work but as above said I think you need a light that demands higher CO2 on full power but that's out of my wheel house.
 
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Is there a simple system for using co2 tanks with a small grow tent set up (120cmx220cmx200cm )in terms of not having to vent away all the co2 to cool down the tent
Co2 for Beginners:

Summary: this post will give basic instructions for augmenting Co2 to your tented plants using yeast and sugar. I currently keep 8 plants in a 5x5 tent and consistently maintain 1400-2000 ppm Co2. This method requires a remote viewable Co2 sensor. (mine is bluetooth or wifi)
Cost of running this system is variable, but sugar and yeast cost is roughly $70 a month. Beyond that to add Co2 in large bursts (like after a trim session, or watering) I keep on hand Citric Acid and Baking Soda as well. I will cover this more later. This system can be scaled back to augment an All-Tank setup to conserve the precious and spendy gas by pushing a baseline amount of Co2 while the tanks make up the difference.

Attain these items in advance:

10 1 gallon water jugs with snap seal (push-down-to-close) lids
-if you have several options, buy one of each and pick your best sealing brand

A fishtank Air-pump

Air-tubing
  • You will need about 15 feet plus the length to span to a warm area if your lung room is cooled

A seedling heating mat
  • This will be dedicated to this purpose, you may need another if you already have one

A large measuring cup
  • I measure 4 cups repeatedly, a one cup unit won’t cut it

A funnel that fits your gallon jug mouth

Glue
  • This glue should dry rubbery like rubber cement, or if you have to, silicone

Air tubing connectors
  • I bought a cheap pack option on amazon and really needed them (currently using 10 elbows and 3 tees)

Power at your heat pad/jugs location
  • You may need an extension cord (2 plugs needed here, heat pad and air pump)

An Awl
  • This is a tool, like an icepick with a progressively larger shaft from the point away….
  • This is needed to MELT precise holes in the lids
  • Do Not Attempt with a random screwdriver

Thermometer
  • An infrared point and shoot thermometer is nice

A heat source to melt lids with Awl
  • A stove will do, i prefer a handheld torch

Sugar
  • You will be buying this often, 8 Lbs lasts me 5-7 days
  • Try starting with 40ish pounds

Yeast - 1lb per month of the grow
  • I use Distillers Active Dry Yeast, this is for high alcohol production and perfect for a sugar wash
  • Amazon sells a 5 one pound packs for like $45

OPTIONAL LIST OF GOODS

Baking soda (sodium bi-carbonate) 2 carbon atoms for your ladies
  • Lots of baking soda
  • Amazon sells a 12 one pound case for $11
  • I use 12-24 pounds per grow

Citric Acid
  • This stuff is expensive, my last purchase of a 10 lb pail was $39 and i shopped around


2 small containers of equal size to store these ingredients near your tent




Directions:
  • The following directions are for a 5x5 tent (25 sq feet) and you will need to size up or down the overall jugs and or yeast to balance your system

Making Sugar Water

1. measure 7-8 cups of water and add to a large pot on stove
2. Find a container that holds 4 cups of sugar and note on it the line where 4 cups is
  • Gas station big-gulp is big enough
3. Prepare 4 cups of sugar and heat your water
4. Stir sugar into heated water, it does not need to boil
5. When dissolved, transfer the pot to the kitchen sink to cool
  • You can pre-fill the sink with cold water to help
6. Add 4 cups of cold water to the mix now to adjust total mixture and cool at the same time
7. When at 90 degrees F or less, add 2 tablespoons of baking soda
  • This keeps ph (acid) from building as fast
8. Use your handy measuring cup as a scoop and funnel-transfer the pot of sugar water to a gallon jug.
  • There should be room on top, we will be using this

Repeat 1-8 Three More Times for a total of 4 gallon jugs




Step 2 prepare the Co2 Delivery system:
  • Again for a 5x5 tent

  1. Pour out 5 gallons of water and save the lids
  2. MELT 2 smaller than tubing holes in each gallon jug lid
  3. Cut 5 6-8 inch pieces of air tubing
  4. Now, cut the tubing pieces in half on a 45 degree angle to give you 10 pieces with a sharp end and a flat end
  5. Pull tubing through the lids and leave a considerable amount sticking through the top
  • Be sure not to tear the plastic lid here or you will need more lids
  • Needle Nose pliers are helpful here
  1. Glue the tubing to seal it
  • From underneath, smear the glue without compromising the seal for the jug to seal the tubing permanently
  • Extra time spent here is not wasted
  1. When the glue is dry, add a tubing connector to the top of the lid’s new hoses ( I use two 90 elbows here)
  • Congratulations, your jugs are now ready



Step 3- Prepare The Co2 Jug Home Location:

  1. Set heating mat on the floor in a reasonably dark location (not in the tent as the light will kill the yeast)
  2. Set temp between 80F and 90F on your heat mat.
  • In time you will be able to manipulate the heat mat to alter your output by a small amount
  1. Set your 5 jugs on the mat as best as the fit can be
  2. Set air pump up and run air line to your first jug
  3. Run tubing between the jugs elbow connectors
-1-2 feet long to allow moving of the jugs
  1. Last hole open leads to the tent
  • Run air line to the tent with a few extra feet to play with
  • Congratulations, this step is complete




Blooming Yeast and Preparing Final Solution

  1. Create 97F degree water in 2 Quart jars or equivalent
  2. Add 2-3ish teaspoons of sugar to the water
  3. Add 30 grams of yeast per quart jar and stir 10-15 minutes (water should now be at target of 95F)
  • Repeating: STIR 10-15 minutes
  • This step is crucial as the stir keeps oxygenated, and the time brings the yeast to life
  • More yeast equals more Co2 but less time overall on your jugs lifespan
  • As the plants grow, the total yeast added is increased and jugs burn faster
  1. Funnel pour yeast evenly into warmed (80F-90F) (in sink works) 4 gallons of sugar/water/yeast mixture made earlier.
  • Pre-warming the sugar mix prevents mass die off of the yeast by shocking it
  • Put lids on your now mostly full 4 gallons and shake-mix before next pour step
  1. Pour into the prepared 5 gallon jugs and bring to your heat mat area.
  • Note: I like to keep the 4 other jugs for making and storing a mix so when the old batch fails, I’m ready.
  1. Put your hosed lids on your 5 one gallon jugs
  2. Plug in the Fish-tank Air Pump.
  • The air should now pressurize the jugs. *** It is time to check for leaks ***
  • This is done easiest with a combination of listening to the lids, and a spray bottle for spraying the hose holes on lid tops directly.
  • To aid in finding leaks, plug your exiting hose and pressurize until you hear a leak, spray…. If no bubbles, the leak is at the jug seal, and is normal at high pressures. Also, yay, no bubbles
  1. Run the airline into your tent
  2. Setup monitoring equipment
Congratulations you are a prepping pro, now maintenance


Maintaining Co2 setup

On day 3 of running add 1 tbsp baking soda to each active gallon jug to reduce acid and keep yeast from going kamakazi in the alcohol bath it is creating.

Day 4-5 you may see a decrease in Co2 production, and there are two good options before pouring out….. 1. Add a gallon of sugar water baking soda mix. 2. Bloom more yeast and add to the 5 jugs. Or my personal favorite both by blooming yeast into the gallon, shake and distribute into 5 jugs.

Smell is your friend, your tent better have a carbon filter(your main fan is now always on mixing and scrubbing air)(This main fan exhausts inside your tent). If you smell the booze or yeast now, its leaking from your jugs, grab the spray bottle

Beyond that, you will likely never vent your tent with this setup.

A dehumidifier small enough to fit in the tent is also crucial to this setup.
  • Sizing your dehumidifier: 500 square feet of rating on dehumidifier per 5 square feet of tent is the smallest you will want to go (mine runs on AC Infinity 69 Pro controller with an AC Infinity smart plug and tether)(this controller KNOWS VPD and runs my dehumidifier based on this and varies humidity based on current temperature and what the leaves “want”
  • Dehumidifier requirement: Auto-resume function in case of power outage is crucial if using my controller. (set the dehumidifier to always run and plug into 69 Pro)

Expect no more than 7 days per batch.


Co2 Mass Burst instructions:

  1. Take the last gallon jug and pour it out. Save the lid
  2. Fill 1-2 inches of water
  3. Take 2 small containers and fill one with baking soda (carbon) and one with citric acid
  • These are for easy and fast pouring
  1. Grab a funnel and a poking stick for chunks
  2. Go near your tent and open bottom of flap
  3. Set jug down, add funnel add baking soda (if it stops up the funnel add equal citric acid before poking through as this saves steps)
  4. Add an equal portion of citric acid to the amount of baking soda just added WHILE LIFTING The Funnel. The gas will escape immediately and blow citric acid powder everywhere

This will produce large volumes of Co2 in a hurry, be sure to have your monitor on when doing this as 2000ppm and over is toxic to plants and 5000+ is dangerous to humans

Plants evolved on a planet with considerably higher Co2 than now and as such you should target 1400-1500 ppm to maximize growth.
  • Expect a 30% increase in root development and growth
  • Say goodbye to 2 month vegging cycles (30 days is sometimes too much in my tent)
  • You can get an upgraded light as your plants can take more
  • Target 35-40 for DLI in vegg,and if you keep 1400 ppm, you can really push ppfd in flower.


Thanks,
TeamFatOnes :)
 
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TeamFatOnes

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Look Up

CoolBot cooling system. watch the video. cool your tent room, dehumidify your tent, and then, Yes Co2 is totally worth it
 
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TeamFatOnes

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Is there a simple system for using co2 tanks with a small grow tent set up (120cmx220cmx200cm )in terms of not having to vent away all the co2 to cool down the tent
Co2 for Beginners:

Summary: this post will give basic instructions for augmenting Co2 to your tented plants using yeast and sugar. I currently keep 8 plants in a 5x5 tent and consistently maintain 1400-2000 ppm Co2. This method requires a remote viewable Co2 sensor. (mine is bluetooth or wifi)
Cost of running this system is variable, but sugar and yeast cost is roughly $70 a month. Beyond that to add Co2 in large bursts (like after a trim session, or watering) I keep on hand Citric Acid and Baking Soda as well. I will cover this more later. This system can be scaled back to augment an All-Tank setup to conserve the precious and spendy gas by pushing a baseline amount of Co2 while the tanks make up the difference.

Attain these items in advance:

10 1 gallon water jugs with snap seal (push-down-to-close) lids
-if you have several options, buy one of each and pick your best sealing brand

A fishtank Air-pump

Air-tubing
  • You will need about 15 feet plus the length to span to a warm area if your lung room is cooled

A seedling heating mat
  • This will be dedicated to this purpose, you may need another if you already have one

A large measuring cup
  • I measure 4 cups repeatedly, a one cup unit won’t cut it

A funnel that fits your gallon jug mouth

Glue
  • This glue should dry rubbery like rubber cement, or if you have to, silicone

Air tubing connectors
  • I bought a cheap pack option on amazon and really needed them (currently using 10 elbows and 3 tees)

Power at your heat pad/jugs location
  • You may need an extension cord (2 plugs needed here, heat pad and air pump)

An Awl
  • This is a tool, like an icepick with a progressively larger shaft from the point away….
  • This is needed to MELT precise holes in the lids
  • Do Not Attempt with a random screwdriver

Thermometer
  • An infrared point and shoot thermometer is nice

A heat source to melt lids with Awl
  • A stove will do, i prefer a handheld torch

Sugar
  • You will be buying this often, 8 Lbs lasts me 5-7 days
  • Try starting with 40ish pounds

Yeast - 1lb per month of the grow
  • I use Distillers Active Dry Yeast, this is for high alcohol production and perfect for a sugar wash
  • Amazon sells a 5 one pound packs for like $45

OPTIONAL LIST OF GOODS

Baking soda (sodium bi-carbonate) 2 carbon atoms for your ladies
  • Lots of baking soda
  • Amazon sells a 12 one pound case for $11
  • I use 12-24 pounds per grow

Citric Acid
  • This stuff is expensive, my last purchase of a 10 lb pail was $39 and i shopped around


2 small containers of equal size to store these ingredients near your tent




Directions:
  • The following directions are for a 5x5 tent (25 sq feet) and you will need to size up or down the overall jugs and or yeast to balance your system

Making Sugar Water

1. measure 7-8 cups of water and add to a large pot on stove
2. Find a container that holds 4 cups of sugar and note on it the line where 4 cups is
  • Gas station big-gulp is big enough
3. Prepare 4 cups of sugar and heat your water
4. Stir sugar into heated water, it does not need to boil
5. When dissolved, transfer the pot to the kitchen sink to cool
  • You can pre-fill the sink with cold water to help
6. Add 4 cups of cold water to the mix now to adjust total mixture and cool at the same time
7. When at 90 degrees F or less, add 2 tablespoons of baking soda
  • This keeps ph (acid) from building as fast
8. Use your handy measuring cup as a scoop and funnel-transfer the pot of sugar water to a gallon jug.
  • There should be room on top, we will be using this

Repeat 1-8 Three More Times for a total of 4 gallon jugs




Step 2 prepare the Co2 Delivery system:
  • Again for a 5x5 tent

  1. Pour out 5 gallons of water and save the lids
  2. MELT 2 smaller than tubing holes in each gallon jug lid
  3. Cut 5 6-8 inch pieces of air tubing
  4. Now, cut the tubing pieces in half on a 45 degree angle to give you 10 pieces with a sharp end and a flat end
  5. Pull tubing through the lids and leave a considerable amount sticking through the top
  • Be sure not to tear the plastic lid here or you will need more lids
  • Needle Nose pliers are helpful here
  1. Glue the tubing to seal it
  • From underneath, smear the glue without compromising the seal for the jug to seal the tubing permanently
  • Extra time spent here is not wasted
  1. When the glue is dry, add a tubing connector to the top of the lid’s new hoses ( I use two 90 elbows here)
  • Congratulations, your jugs are now ready



Step 3- Prepare The Co2 Jug Home Location:

  1. Set heating mat on the floor in a reasonably dark location (not in the tent as the light will kill the yeast)
  2. Set temp between 80F and 90F on your heat mat.
  • In time you will be able to manipulate the heat mat to alter your output by a small amount
  1. Set your 5 jugs on the mat as best as the fit can be
  2. Set air pump up and run air line to your first jug
  3. Run tubing between the jugs elbow connectors
-1-2 feet long to allow moving of the jugs
  1. Last hole open leads to the tent
  • Run air line to the tent with a few extra feet to play with
  • Congratulations, this step is complete




Blooming Yeast and Preparing Final Solution

  1. Create 97F degree water in 2 Quart jars or equivalent
  2. Add 2-3ish teaspoons of sugar to the water
  3. Add 30 grams of yeast per quart jar and stir 10-15 minutes (water should now be at target of 95F)
  • Repeating: STIR 10-15 minutes
  • This step is crucial as the stir keeps oxygenated, and the time brings the yeast to life
  • More yeast equals more Co2 but less time overall on your jugs lifespan
  • As the plants grow, the total yeast added is increased and jugs burn faster
  1. Funnel pour yeast evenly into warmed (80F-90F) (in sink works) 4 gallons of sugar/water/yeast mixture made earlier.
  • Pre-warming the sugar mix prevents mass die off of the yeast by shocking it
  • Put lids on your now mostly full 4 gallons and shake-mix before next pour step
  1. Pour into the prepared 5 gallon jugs and bring to your heat mat area.
  • Note: I like to keep the 4 other jugs for making and storing a mix so when the old batch fails, I’m ready.
  1. Put your hosed lids on your 5 one gallon jugs
  2. Plug in the Fish-tank Air Pump.
  • The air should now pressurize the jugs. *** It is time to check for leaks ***
  • This is done easiest with a combination of listening to the lids, and a spray bottle for spraying the hose holes on lid tops directly.
  • To aid in finding leaks, plug your exiting hose and pressurize until you hear a leak, spray…. If no bubbles, the leak is at the jug seal, and is normal at high pressures. Also, yay, no bubbles
  1. Run the airline into your tent
  2. Setup monitoring equipment
Congratulations you are a prepping pro, now maintenance


Maintaining Co2 setup

On day 3 of running add 1 tbsp baking soda to each active gallon jug to reduce acid and keep yeast from going kamakazi in the alcohol bath it is creating.

Day 4-5 you may see a decrease in Co2 production, and there are two good options before pouring out….. 1. Add a gallon of sugar water baking soda mix. 2. Bloom more yeast and add to the 5 jugs. Or my personal favorite both by blooming yeast into the gallon, shake and distribute into 5 jugs.

Smell is your friend, your tent better have a carbon filter(your main fan is now always on mixing and scrubbing air)(This main fan exhausts inside your tent). If you smell the booze or yeast now, its leaking from your jugs, grab the spray bottle

Beyond that, you will likely never vent your tent with this setup.

A dehumidifier small enough to fit in the tent is also crucial to this setup.
  • Sizing your dehumidifier: 500 square feet of rating on dehumidifier per 5 square feet of tent is the smallest you will want to go (mine runs on AC Infinity 69 Pro controller with an AC Infinity smart plug and tether)(this controller KNOWS VPD and runs my dehumidifier based on this and varies humidity based on current temperature and what the leaves “want”
  • Dehumidifier requirement: Auto-resume function in case of power outage is crucial if using my controller. (set the dehumidifier to always run and plug into 69 Pro)

Expect no more than 7 days per batch.


Co2 Mass Burst instructions:

  1. Take the last gallon jug and pour it out. Save the lid
  2. Fill 1-2 inches of water
  3. Take 2 small containers and fill one with baking soda (carbon) and one with citric acid
  • These are for easy and fast pouring
  1. Grab a funnel and a poking stick for chunks
  2. Go near your tent and open bottom of flap
  3. Set jug down, add funnel add baking soda (if it stops up the funnel add equal citric acid before poking through as this saves steps)
  4. Add an equal portion of citric acid to the amount of baking soda just added WHILE LIFTING The Funnel. The gas will escape immediately and blow citric acid powder everywhere

This will produce large volumes of Co2 in a hurry, be sure to have your monitor on when doing this as 2000ppm and over is toxic to plants and 5000+ is dangerous to humans

Plants evolved on a planet with considerably higher Co2 than now and as such you should target 1400-1500 ppm to maximize growth.
  • Expect a 30% increase in root development and growth
  • Say goodbye to 2 month vegging cycles (30 days is sometimes too much in my tent)
  • You can get an upgraded light as your plants can take more
  • Target 35-40 for DLI in vegg,and if you keep 1400 ppm, you can really push ppfd in flower.


Thanks,
TeamFatOnes :)
 
DickieTea

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One thing I’m trying to ascertain with CO2 enrichment in a sealed environment…do you bother with any air changes whatsoever?
 
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TeamFatOnes

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You should use a mini split for c02 in a sealed room.

I’ve heard of some tent growers using candles to supply c02 on the cheap. Obviously a fire hazard but just putting it out there.
Research coolbot.... Then watch the coolbot hack video. You can achieve any temperature for $80 and a window unit
 
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TeamFatOnes

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I went through this a few years ago and the answer I found was no. Not without a sealed room with all of the proper equipment in a stable environment. Think Lab setting. Even then the skill of the grower to knowing how to get the most out of the Co2 to capitalize on using it. The environment is number 1 control it and C02 is not necessary for the average home grower. Better off spending money on good equipment than chasing Co2
Sealed tent with a dehumidifier inside. Dehumidifier run by ac Infinity tent controller. Break.... CO2 augmenting at 1400-1500ppm. Break.... Lighting in flower to 2000-2100 PPFD. Break. Widow AC unit run by a CoolBot or equivalent hacked system in lung room. Break....you now control temp in your lung room and tent.... You now control high humidity in your tent. Break.... Vent tent only on high CO2 with a CO2 control and an inline fan. Good luck
 
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PahPahCee

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Research coolbot.... Then watch the coolbot hack video. You can achieve any temperature for $80 and a window unit
I know of coolbots. Not really sure why that’s relevant. Coolbots are great for cold rooms.

Windowshakers still aren’t sealed and require modification to seal it. This is why mini split is better. No loss of c02 and it’s more energy efficient.
 
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TeamFatOnes

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I know of coolbots. Not really sure why that’s relevant. Coolbots are great for cold rooms.

Windowshakers still aren’t sealed and require modification to seal it. This is why mini split is better. No loss of c02 and it’s more energy efficient.
I cool my room that my tent is in to 58 during flower to hold tent at or below 78f... There is a hack that mimics coolbot for $80USD... That means you can keep your tents all cool in one room for $200USD. This may not be for you, but, summer is hot too, your living room could be 58f if you wanted
 
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