Hey, I used to run an Apeks 5L and have found really solid pre-processing techniques and run parameters that land a very clear high testing extract, I'd be happy to discuss and share via PM. I was on occasion able to make a decent shatter but haven't been able to reproduce it reliably and would be very interested in any tips or tricks not already mentioned here. Currently running a manual 20L Eden. I'd be keen on discussing any and all ideas and sharing my own if anyone is interested in going down that road, I'm just a little skeptical of posting right on a public page as I would ideally like to form a mutually beneficial discussion...ya know...science. Best of Luck and Thanks in advance.