Coco and Athena! Never look Back

TheConnection · Jun 26, 2021

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Hey guys!! I thought I’d post a thread on my success with coco as in the beginning I was very new to. I ran several lines of water based nutrients from GH, Botanicare, Canna, advanced nutrients, house and garden, and even emerald harvest. But none of these came close to the overall structure and smoke of each plant after running Athena Salt based nutrients.

With Athena I have seen my grow go from pretty great to phenomenal in just a couple weeks. All the starters, clones I take never turn yellow now, and explode when they are transplanted into coco with Athena on board!

I mix all my nutrients with the new innovative “Aeromixer” pumps worth checking into Bc they are night and day difference when it comes to Feed .

Im in the process of setting up a automated drip irrigation system powered by Dab pump and Dosatron as I hand feed all my girls at the moment. Haven’t gotten that far yet plumbing wise as it’s going to need a little engineering on my end before it’s concrete.
I’m not a plumber by any degree but I know a little as most of us do to get by.

Im thinking on doing ball valves for manual running with dosatron but solenoids have their perks just not familiar with that stuff yet so any feedback would be helpful.

Can send pics to any of you willing to help the cause before I have to shell out money for a legit plumber or irrigation specialist.

But definitely change your nutrient line to Athena and give it a run and see the go off like why you didn’t do this before ! I will hook you up anyone with my personal rep at Athena, amazing service and quality to stand behind. I will never look back!!

vchavez · Jun 27, 2021

Hi just wondering what were your EC's and PH since seedling, Veg and Bloom. How many times you did water in a day all with nuts or a few just water ?.

I'm running by now Floraflex that is similar to Athena but only 1 grow changed from soil with Biobizz a total mess to Coco looks more in control in my experience.

Thanks

GrowHobo · Jun 27, 2021

I need before and after pics. Show me the goodies.

Aqua Man · Jun 27, 2021

So what in Athena is the difference? I see nothing in thier line that differs from many others.

Clones yellow from to much light it has nothing to do with nutrients. They don't even have roots to be able to take a significant amount up.

If I seem skeptical it's because I am and looking objectively. Often you see ppl attribute things to improvements that are just not the case.

ComfortablyNumb · Jun 27, 2021

You're going to need some serious evidence to get me away from living soil.

TheConnection · Jun 28, 2021

Aqua Man said:
So what in Athena is the difference? I see nothing in thier line that differs from many others.

Clones yellow from to much light it has nothing to do with nutrients. They don't even have roots to be able to take a significant amount up.

If I seem skeptical it's because I am and looking objectively. Often you see ppl attribute things to improvements that are just not the case.

you don’t pay for water with salts and I understand “The fear of the unknown“ . However , it’s kept my plants green without burn at running
—Clones—
(First 7 days)
1mL per gallon Cleanse
1.5g per gallon Core
2.5g per gallon Bloom
1EC
5.6pH
(Day 8 to plant)
1mL per gallon Cleanse
2.2g per gallon Core
3.6g per gallon Grow
1.5EC
5.8pH

when I get to the grow I’ll snap a few pics and post em . Show y’all what’s good .

Aqua Man · Jun 28, 2021

TheConnection said:
you don’t pay for water with salts and I understand “The fear of the unknown“ . However , it’s kept my plants green without burn at running
—Clones—
(First 7 days)
1mL per gallon Cleanse
1.5g per gallon Core
2.5g per gallon Bloom
1EC
5.6pH
(Day 8 to plant)
1mL per gallon Cleanse
2.2g per gallon Core
3.6g per gallon Grow
1.5EC
5.8pH

when I get to the grow I’ll snap a few pics and post em . Show y’all what’s good .

Ummm athena is paying for water... they are liquid nutrients.

The only unknown here is what you are claiming is different to account for the results you are claiming

What's different about it? I'm asking because I only hear an opinion and well... opinions are like..... you know what I mean.

I'm not saying you have not had great success with it. But unless you can show me the difference between this and any other nutrient I'm not buying what your selling.

Any nutrient line will keep your plant green without burning if you don't over feed them.

Asking 1 more time what's different about it before I write this one off as another overinflated opinion with no merit to it.

That's not to say the nutrients don't work.... just to say they aren't responsible for your claims

Anthem · Jun 28, 2021

Aqua Man said:
Ummm athena is paying for water... they are liquid nutrients.

The only unknown here is what you are claiming is different to account for the results you are claiming

What's different about it? I'm asking because I only hear an opinion and well... opinions are like..... you know what I mean.

I'm not saying you have not had great success with it. But unless you can show me the difference between this and any other nutrient I'm not buying what your selling.

Any nutrient line will keep your plant green without burning if you don't over feed them.

Asking 1 more time what's different about it before I write this one off as another overinflated opinion with no merit to it.

That's not to say the nutrients don't work.... just to say they aren't responsible for your claims

Aqua Man, I have been running this line for some time. They have 2 lines basically, a lower cost (than average) liquid form and a dry line. I am running the dry line but to be honest once I have finished off these 25 pound bags I have, it is going to be Jacks moving forward. The Athena line is economical but Jacks is cheaper. If you really start digging into these product mixes they are all very similar in overall quantities of NGP and the micro's. The basic salt based formula has been around for a very long time.

The challenge is the sales person at the hydro store. IMO they will tell the customer whatever they can to sell products.
The post by Bill Farting is probably the best advice one can get in regards to nutrients.

Aqua Man · Jun 28, 2021

Anthem said:
Aqua Man, I have been running this line for some time. They have 2 lines basically, a lower cost (than average) liquid form and a dry line. I am running the dry line but to be honest once I have finished off these 25 pound bags I have, it is going to be Jacks moving forward. The Athena line is economical but Jacks is cheaper. If you really start digging into these product mixes they are all very similar in overall quantities of NGP and the micro's. The basic salt based formula has been around for a very long time.

The challenge is the sales person at the hydro store. IMO they will tell the customer whatever they can to sell products.
The post by Bill Farting is probably the best advice one can get in regards to nutrients.

Yeah I stickied it and 100% agree with everything you said... when it comes nutrients there is very little difference in the sources and mostly just the ratios. Granted some are complete with all the other goodies but short of PGRs they all work pretty much the same with some additives having some benefits That's not to say they aren't good or effective but to me the claims made here are just silly and do more harm to the nutrients reputation than help.

Just tired of all the unicorn piss in a bottle claims.

jguit · Jun 28, 2021

Damn, that stuff is over x3 the price of Jack's! Ha

Anthem · Jun 28, 2021

Aqua Man said:
Yeah I stickied it and 100% agree with everything you said... when it comes nutrients there is very little difference in the sources and mostly just the ratios. Granted some are complete with all the other goodies but short of PGRs they all work pretty much the same with some additives having some benefits That's not to say they aren't good or effective but to me the claims made here are just silly and do more harm to the nutrients reputation than help.

Just tired of all the unicorn piss in a bottle claims.

The Athena Line is manufactured by Grow More. Grow More is even cheaper than Athena.
I do believe just about every nutrient line has some part of their line that has PGR's. I believe you mentioned Heavy 16 and Fire, which makes senses because that is the most expensive part of their line up I believe. I ran a line called Floromax and I think their Organa Bud is where they put the PGR's.

Aqua Man · Jun 28, 2021

Anthem said:
The Athena Line is manufactured by Grow More. Grow More is even cheaper than Athena.
I do believe just about every nutrient line has some part of their line that has PGR's. I believe you mentioned Heavy 16 and Fire, which makes senses because that is the most expensive part of their line up I believe. I ran a line called Floromax and I think their Organa Bud is where they put the PGR's.

Yep that it's... heavy 16 fire has triacontanol like green planet massive and others they cost a lot.

The heavy 16 lineup is complete as hell and the schedules they provide are pretty dam good compared to others I look at. Of you don't mind paying an arm and a leg. But that recipe by billfarthing is a perfect example of a great mix that's easily done and cheap. You could add in the PGRs if it's your cup of tea. I personally like triacontanol but I don't feel it's needed and any product you buy that contains it is going to hurt your wallet. You can toy with it separately but imo that's not at all begginer friendly and likely to cost you an attempt ot 2 to get right as such a tiny amount is required it's not just plug and play imo.

Bbonez · Jul 25, 2021

TheConnection said:
I will hook you up anyone with my personal rep at Athena, amazing service and quality to stand behind. I will never look back!!

What price is your rep giving you?

I thought about switching to Athena because I ran out of my HGV flower formula. With HGV I am able to use cheap calnitrate as my "base" however Athena puts the micronutrients in their base. So for $175 X2 I just didn't see any value, now HGV isn't cheap ($240 for 25lbs) but I'm happy with the results. My buddy uses Athena and it does a good job.

If I do make a switch it will probably be to Jack's.

n0name_james · Oct 3, 2021

Anthem said:
The Athena Line is manufactured by Grow More. Grow More is even cheaper than Athena.
I do believe just about every nutrient line has some part of their line that has PGR's. I believe you mentioned Heavy 16 and Fire, which makes senses because that is the most expensive part of their line up I believe. I ran a line called Floromax and I think their Organa Bud is where they put the PGR's.

A little late to the game. But I created an account after reading what appears to be some false info regarding Athena Ag. Athena Ag nutrients are manufactured by Athena Ag, the last time I checked. I believe Chris Durand is the Director of Manufacturing over there, and he has many podcasts for you to listen to in case you would like to educate yourself more on their products. Also, I believe the cost per gallon for mixing the Pro line is about 8 cents. Very affordable stuff. For what it is worth, I am running Growth Science right now. Probably making the switch to Athena this next run.

Anthem · Nov 1, 2021

n0name_james said:
A little late to the game. But I created an account after reading what appears to be some false info regarding Athena Ag. Athena Ag nutrients are manufactured by Athena Ag, the last time I checked. I believe Chris Durand is the Director of Manufacturing over there, and he has many podcasts for you to listen to in case you would like to educate yourself more on their products. Also, I believe the cost per gallon for mixing the Pro line is about 8 cents. Very affordable stuff. For what it is worth, I am running Growth Science right now. Probably making the switch to Athena this next run.

Yes sold by Athena Ag but manufactured by Grow More like so many other brands.

Frankster · Nov 1, 2021

Anthem said:
Aqua Man, I have been running this line for some time. They have 2 lines basically, a lower cost (than average) liquid form and a dry line. I am running the dry line but to be honest once I have finished off these 25 pound bags I have, it is going to be Jacks moving forward. The Athena line is economical but Jacks is cheaper. If you really start digging into these product mixes they are all very similar in overall quantities of NGP and the micro's. The basic salt based formula has been around for a very long time.

The challenge is the sales person at the hydro store. IMO they will tell the customer whatever they can to sell products.
The post by Bill Farting is probably the best advice one can get in regards to nutrients.

Agreed, the "hydro store" is not the place to go looking for fertilizer regime advice. Been there, done it. They are looking to milk people, one after another.

Master blend is cheapest, cheaper than Jacks, far cheaper than Athena. As for the Magnesium sulfate, I get that at the dollar store, and the Calcium Nitrate I buy in bulk, usually 5lb for me; (small fine pellet size).

I was looking at the Athena grow 2-8-20, and it's basically 50% strength master blend 4 18 38, with a tad more leaning potassium. As you say; all minor ratio tweaks. I buy potassium as a pH up, (in bulk) in the form of potassium hydroxide. (KOH) As for the bloom formulation; just purchase monopotassium phosphate in bulk, mix in the required KOH to balance it out.

As for 1-Triacontanol, I scoop a 1/4 tsp of wild unfiltered crystalized bee's honey, with it's wax, and alcohols into the mix and mix it up, letting my microbes work on the sugar parts... But it can be had in lab grade pure form on ebay, from multiple sources. I agree that probably shouldn't be attempted without some good basic understanding of measures and adhering to proper mixing protocols, pH requirements.

Triacontanol is not water-soluble. It should be dissolved first in polysorbate 20 and diluted well with a specific amount of water to achieve your desired dose. It's best applied in it's pure form, as a foliar, IMO.

n0name_james · Nov 1, 2021

Anthem said:
Yes sold by Athena Ag but manufactured by Grow More like so many other brands.

Again, I do not think this is true. I believe Athena manufactures their own products. I recently read an article published March of this year where the Director of Manufacturing speaks about expanding their production facilities and the importance of doing everything in house.

Anthem · Nov 1, 2021

Frankster said:
Agreed, the "hydro store" is not the place to go looking for fertilizer regime advice. Been there, done it. They are looking to milk people, one after another.

Master blend is cheapest, cheaper than Jacks, far cheaper than Athena. As for the Magnesium sulfate, I get that at the dollar store, and the Calcium Nitrate I buy in bulk, usually 5lb for me; (small fine pellet size).

I was looking at the Athena grow 2-8-20, and it's basically 50% strength master blend 4 18 38, with a tad more leaning potassium. As you say; all minor ratio tweaks. I buy potassium as a pH up, (in bulk) in the form of potassium hydroxide. (KOH) As for the bloom formulation; just purchase monopotassium phosphate in bulk, mix in the required KOH to balance it out.

As for 1-Triacontanol, I scoop a 1/4 tsp of wild unfiltered crystalized bee's honey, with it's wax, and alcohols into the mix and allow my microbes to work on it. But it can be had in lab grade pure form on ebay, from multiple sources. I agree that one shouldn't be attempted without some good understanding of basic mixing techniques, measures and adhering too protocols.

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I totally agree with your home brews. I am in the city and with traffic and my schedule saving a couple cents a gallon and brewing my own formulas is not really practically. I believe with the Athena Pro stuff I am around 6 cent a gallon. It just does not make a ton of sense to me right now to go out and buy and blend at home.

Anthem · Nov 1, 2021

n0name_james said:
Again, I do not think this is true. I believe Athena manufactures their own products. I recently read an article published March of this year where the Director of Manufacturing speaks about expanding their production facilities and the importance of doing everything in house.

I am very familiar with the podcasts but I also have knowledge about who makes the stuff for Athena. I realize everyone of the nutrient companies would like you to think they have the ability to manufacturer the products and blend to the end product but the truth is there are fewer than you might think. Secondly, go to their website and try to find out if they have a facility. They do not even have a listed address. Most of these nutrient companies are just middle men, I use the product and I have nothing against the line but I do firmly believe they are subbing out the manufacturing. If you really want to get down to the bottom of things start looking at the line of liquid and you will quickly see if you compare them to the grow more line they are watered down.

n0name_james · Nov 1, 2021

Anthem said:
I totally agree with your home brews. I am in the city and with traffic and my schedule saving a couple cents a gallon and brewing my own formulas is not really practically. I believe with the Athena Pro stuff I am around 6 cent a gallon. It just does not make a ton of sense to me right now to go out and buy and blend at home.

Anthem said:
I am very familiar with the podcasts but I also have knowledge about who makes the stuff for Athena. I realize everyone of the nutrient companies would like you to think they have the ability to manufacturer the products and blend to the end product but the truth is there are fewer than you might think. Secondly, go to their website and try to find out if they have a facility. They do not even have a listed address. Most of these nutrient companies are just middle men, I use the product and I have nothing against the line but I do firmly believe they are subbing out the manufacturing. If you really want to get down to the bottom of things start looking at the line of liquid and you will quickly see if you compare them to the grow more line they are watered down.

I am not going to do that because I know it is pointless. While we are at it, show me where Grow More states they make Athena Ag products. Lastly, I worked for a grow shop for a while when I was waiting for licensing, and I spoke to a lot of reps. A lot more of them make their own shit than you might think. Maybe Grow More has the raw material some of these companies use to make their products, but that is a different talking point, and I don't believe that is what you are saying.

Coco and Athena! Never look Back

Coco and Athena! Never look Back

TheConnection

vchavez

GrowHobo

Aqua Man

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TheConnection

Aqua Man

Anthem

Aqua Man

jguit

Anthem

Aqua Man

Bbonez

n0name_james

Anthem

Frankster

Never trust a doctor who's plants have died.

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