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So what in Athena is the difference? I see nothing in thier line that differs from many others.
Clones yellow from to much light it has nothing to do with nutrients. They don't even have roots to be able to take a significant amount up.
If I seem skeptical it's because I am and looking objectively. Often you see ppl attribute things to improvements that are just not the case.
Ummm athena is paying for water... they are liquid nutrients.you don’t pay for water with salts and I understand “The fear of the unknown“ . However , it’s kept my plants green without burn at running
—Clones—
(First 7 days)
1mL per gallon Cleanse
1.5g per gallon Core
2.5g per gallon Bloom
1EC
5.6pH
(Day 8 to plant)
1mL per gallon Cleanse
2.2g per gallon Core
3.6g per gallon Grow
1.5EC
5.8pH
when I get to the grow I’ll snap a few pics and post em . Show y’all what’s good .
Aqua Man, I have been running this line for some time. They have 2 lines basically, a lower cost (than average) liquid form and a dry line. I am running the dry line but to be honest once I have finished off these 25 pound bags I have, it is going to be Jacks moving forward. The Athena line is economical but Jacks is cheaper. If you really start digging into these product mixes they are all very similar in overall quantities of NGP and the micro's. The basic salt based formula has been around for a very long time.Ummm athena is paying for water... they are liquid nutrients.
The only unknown here is what you are claiming is different to account for the results you are claiming
What's different about it? I'm asking because I only hear an opinion and well... opinions are like..... you know what I mean.
I'm not saying you have not had great success with it. But unless you can show me the difference between this and any other nutrient I'm not buying what your selling.
Any nutrient line will keep your plant green without burning if you don't over feed them.
Asking 1 more time what's different about it before I write this one off as another overinflated opinion with no merit to it.
That's not to say the nutrients don't work.... just to say they aren't responsible for your claims
Yeah I stickied it and 100% agree with everything you said... when it comes nutrients there is very little difference in the sources and mostly just the ratios. Granted some are complete with all the other goodies but short of PGRs they all work pretty much the same with some additives having some benefits That's not to say they aren't good or effective but to me the claims made here are just silly and do more harm to the nutrients reputation than help.Aqua Man, I have been running this line for some time. They have 2 lines basically, a lower cost (than average) liquid form and a dry line. I am running the dry line but to be honest once I have finished off these 25 pound bags I have, it is going to be Jacks moving forward. The Athena line is economical but Jacks is cheaper. If you really start digging into these product mixes they are all very similar in overall quantities of NGP and the micro's. The basic salt based formula has been around for a very long time.
The challenge is the sales person at the hydro store. IMO they will tell the customer whatever they can to sell products.
The post by Bill Farting is probably the best advice one can get in regards to nutrients.
The Athena Line is manufactured by Grow More. Grow More is even cheaper than Athena.Yeah I stickied it and 100% agree with everything you said... when it comes nutrients there is very little difference in the sources and mostly just the ratios. Granted some are complete with all the other goodies but short of PGRs they all work pretty much the same with some additives having some benefits That's not to say they aren't good or effective but to me the claims made here are just silly and do more harm to the nutrients reputation than help.
Just tired of all the unicorn piss in a bottle claims.
Yep that it's... heavy 16 fire has triacontanol like green planet massive and others they cost a lot.The Athena Line is manufactured by Grow More. Grow More is even cheaper than Athena.
I do believe just about every nutrient line has some part of their line that has PGR's. I believe you mentioned Heavy 16 and Fire, which makes senses because that is the most expensive part of their line up I believe. I ran a line called Floromax and I think their Organa Bud is where they put the PGR's.
I will hook you up anyone with my personal rep at Athena, amazing service and quality to stand behind. I will never look back!!
A little late to the game. But I created an account after reading what appears to be some false info regarding Athena Ag. Athena Ag nutrients are manufactured by Athena Ag, the last time I checked. I believe Chris Durand is the Director of Manufacturing over there, and he has many podcasts for you to listen to in case you would like to educate yourself more on their products. Also, I believe the cost per gallon for mixing the Pro line is about 8 cents. Very affordable stuff. For what it is worth, I am running Growth Science right now. Probably making the switch to Athena this next run.The Athena Line is manufactured by Grow More. Grow More is even cheaper than Athena.
I do believe just about every nutrient line has some part of their line that has PGR's. I believe you mentioned Heavy 16 and Fire, which makes senses because that is the most expensive part of their line up I believe. I ran a line called Floromax and I think their Organa Bud is where they put the PGR's.
Yes sold by Athena Ag but manufactured by Grow More like so many other brands.A little late to the game. But I created an account after reading what appears to be some false info regarding Athena Ag. Athena Ag nutrients are manufactured by Athena Ag, the last time I checked. I believe Chris Durand is the Director of Manufacturing over there, and he has many podcasts for you to listen to in case you would like to educate yourself more on their products. Also, I believe the cost per gallon for mixing the Pro line is about 8 cents. Very affordable stuff. For what it is worth, I am running Growth Science right now. Probably making the switch to Athena this next run.
Agreed, the "hydro store" is not the place to go looking for fertilizer regime advice. Been there, done it. They are looking to milk people, one after another.Aqua Man, I have been running this line for some time. They have 2 lines basically, a lower cost (than average) liquid form and a dry line. I am running the dry line but to be honest once I have finished off these 25 pound bags I have, it is going to be Jacks moving forward. The Athena line is economical but Jacks is cheaper. If you really start digging into these product mixes they are all very similar in overall quantities of NGP and the micro's. The basic salt based formula has been around for a very long time.
The challenge is the sales person at the hydro store. IMO they will tell the customer whatever they can to sell products.
The post by Bill Farting is probably the best advice one can get in regards to nutrients.
Again, I do not think this is true. I believe Athena manufactures their own products. I recently read an article published March of this year where the Director of Manufacturing speaks about expanding their production facilities and the importance of doing everything in house.Yes sold by Athena Ag but manufactured by Grow More like so many other brands.
I totally agree with your home brews. I am in the city and with traffic and my schedule saving a couple cents a gallon and brewing my own formulas is not really practically. I believe with the Athena Pro stuff I am around 6 cent a gallon. It just does not make a ton of sense to me right now to go out and buy and blend at home.Agreed, the "hydro store" is not the place to go looking for fertilizer regime advice. Been there, done it. They are looking to milk people, one after another.
Master blend is cheapest, cheaper than Jacks, far cheaper than Athena. As for the Magnesium sulfate, I get that at the dollar store, and the Calcium Nitrate I buy in bulk, usually 5lb for me; (small fine pellet size).
I was looking at the Athena grow 2-8-20, and it's basically 50% strength master blend 4 18 38, with a tad more leaning potassium. As you say; all minor ratio tweaks. I buy potassium as a pH up, (in bulk) in the form of potassium hydroxide. (KOH) As for the bloom formulation; just purchase monopotassium phosphate in bulk, mix in the required KOH to balance it out.
As for 1-Triacontanol, I scoop a 1/4 tsp of wild unfiltered crystalized bee's honey, with it's wax, and alcohols into the mix and allow my microbes to work on it. But it can be had in lab grade pure form on ebay, from multiple sources. I agree that one shouldn't be attempted without some good understanding of basic mixing techniques, measures and adhering too protocols.
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I am very familiar with the podcasts but I also have knowledge about who makes the stuff for Athena. I realize everyone of the nutrient companies would like you to think they have the ability to manufacturer the products and blend to the end product but the truth is there are fewer than you might think. Secondly, go to their website and try to find out if they have a facility. They do not even have a listed address. Most of these nutrient companies are just middle men, I use the product and I have nothing against the line but I do firmly believe they are subbing out the manufacturing. If you really want to get down to the bottom of things start looking at the line of liquid and you will quickly see if you compare them to the grow more line they are watered down.Again, I do not think this is true. I believe Athena manufactures their own products. I recently read an article published March of this year where the Director of Manufacturing speaks about expanding their production facilities and the importance of doing everything in house.
I totally agree with your home brews. I am in the city and with traffic and my schedule saving a couple cents a gallon and brewing my own formulas is not really practically. I believe with the Athena Pro stuff I am around 6 cent a gallon. It just does not make a ton of sense to me right now to go out and buy and blend at home.
I am not going to do that because I know it is pointless. While we are at it, show me where Grow More states they make Athena Ag products. Lastly, I worked for a grow shop for a while when I was waiting for licensing, and I spoke to a lot of reps. A lot more of them make their own shit than you might think. Maybe Grow More has the raw material some of these companies use to make their products, but that is a different talking point, and I don't believe that is what you are saying.I am very familiar with the podcasts but I also have knowledge about who makes the stuff for Athena. I realize everyone of the nutrient companies would like you to think they have the ability to manufacturer the products and blend to the end product but the truth is there are fewer than you might think. Secondly, go to their website and try to find out if they have a facility. They do not even have a listed address. Most of these nutrient companies are just middle men, I use the product and I have nothing against the line but I do firmly believe they are subbing out the manufacturing. If you really want to get down to the bottom of things start looking at the line of liquid and you will quickly see if you compare them to the grow more line they are watered down.
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