Coco and Athena! Never look Back

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Frankster

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I totally agree with your home brews. I am in the city and with traffic and my schedule saving a couple cents a gallon and brewing my own formulas is not really practically. I believe with the Athena Pro stuff I am around 6 cent a gallon. It just does not make a ton of sense to me right now to go out and buy and blend at home.
Agreed, it boils down to convivence, and scale sometimes. If your doing a few plants, it might not be worthwhile, whereas if your doing a bigger spread, it can end up amounting to an arm and leg.

I am very familiar with the podcasts but I also have knowledge about who makes the stuff for Athena. I realize everyone of the nutrient companies would like you to think they have the ability to manufacturer the products and blend to the end product but the truth is there are fewer than you might think. Secondly, go to their website and try to find out if they have a facility. They do not even have a listed address. Most of these nutrient companies are just middle men, I use the product and I have nothing against the line but I do firmly believe they are subbing out the manufacturing. If you really want to get down to the bottom of things start looking at the line of liquid and you will quickly see if you compare them to the grow more line they are watered down.

I think much of this stuff is being contracted outside the country, (China) actually. Then simply brought in as bulk, then packaged locally here. I agree, virtually nobody is investing into the infrastructure, or lab equipment to make any of these formulations. Cause the mass infrastructure already exist. There focused on pretty packaging, and nifty sales pitches, marketing strategy, nothing more. It's all smoke and mirrors.

It's all done by big Ag, then sent further down the pipeline, with each partner taking it's cut.
 
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I am very familiar with the podcasts but I also have knowledge about who makes the stuff for Athena. I realize everyone of the nutrient companies would like you to think they have the ability to manufacturer the products and blend to the end product but the truth is there are fewer than you might think. Secondly, go to their website and try to find out if they have a facility. They do not even have a listed address. Most of these nutrient companies are just middle men, I use the product and I have nothing against the line but I do firmly believe they are subbing out the manufacturing. If you really want to get down to the bottom of things start looking at the line of liquid and you will quickly see if you compare them to the grow more line they are watered down.

There ya go
 
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I am not going to do that because I know it is pointless. While we are at it, show me where Grow More states they make Athena Ag products. Lastly, I worked for a grow shop for a while when I was waiting for licensing, and I spoke to a lot of reps. A lot more of them make their own shit than you might think. Maybe Grow More has the raw material some of these companies use to make their products, but that is a different talking point, and I don't believe that is what you are saying.
You obviously have some ax to grind. You joined this forum just to try and discredit the information I stated. For all I know you work for Athena and want the information I provided discredited. And you try to throw out I worked at a hydro shop before I got my license. Those reps are about as knowledge as the guys working at the hydro shop. But hey by all means spew some more about how great Athena is, as stated I have nothing against the product.
 
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You obviously have some ax to grind. You joined this forum just to try and discredit the information I stated. For all I know you work for Athena and want the information I provided discredited. And you try to throw out I worked at a hydro shop before I got my license. Those reps are about as knowledge as the guys working at the hydro shop. But hey by all means spew some more about how great Athena is, as stated I have nothing against the product.
I don't use Athena. I have no axe to grind. I was researching Athena when I came across this thread. I just don't understand why guys like you come onto these forums and spread false information. And then when someone chimes in to try and educate you, you get all shitty and want to place as sort of blame on that person. The purpose of THC Farmer is to keep people informed, yeah? Get your facts right before you come on here. It took me all of 10 minutes of research to correct your false statements.
 
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I don't use Athena. I have no axe to grind. I was researching Athena when I came across this thread. I just don't understand why guys like you come onto these forums and spread false information. And then when someone chimes in to try and educate you, you get all shitty and want to place as sort of blame on that person. The purpose of THC Farmer is to keep people informed, yeah? Get your facts right before you come on here. It took me all of 10 minutes of research to correct your false statements.
Also, I would think reps have more knowledge about their products than anyone. Most of these guys have large grows sponsored by their employer.
 
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I don't use Athena. I have no axe to grind. I was researching Athena when I came across this thread. I just don't understand why guys like you come onto these forums and spread false information. And then when someone chimes in to try and educate you, you get all shitty and want to place as sort of blame on that person. The purpose of THC Farmer is to keep people informed, yeah? Get your facts right before you come on here. It took me all of 10 minutes of research to correct your false statements.
You have a rather large axe to grind.
 
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You have a rather large axe to grind.
Why is said nutrient company also Lux Lighting and Hydroponics Inc.
 
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And for the record. The Athena Pro Line has changed in the formulation process at less 3 times since I have been using the product. I use it I can see it. So while they may have began creating their own blends, that does not mean they did not sub it out prior.
 
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And for the record. The Athena Pro Line has changed in the formulation process at less 3 times since I have been using the product. I use it I can see it. So while they may have began creating their own blends, that does not mean they did not sub it out prior.
I never argued any of those points. I am sure you have seen it change a couple of times. That happens with new companies and new products. And you need to read the article. Their new facility is located in Sacramento. So what if you clicked on the link that takes you to their retail sites. That is also discussed in the article.

And just because you say I got an axe to grind, doesn't mean I do. But you are on here too, participating in this conversation so what does that say about your axe.
 
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Why is said nutrient company also Lux Lighting and Hydroponics Inc.
And to answer this question, it is because they have stake in those companies. They a helped R&D each other's products and grew with each other. It is one big circle jerk. You are someone who knows things, why don't you know this?
 
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I never argued any of those points. I am sure you have seen it change a couple of times. That happens with new companies and new products. And you need to read the article. Their new facility is located in Sacramento. So what if you clicked on the link that takes you to their retail sites. That is also discussed in the article.

And just because you say I got an axe to grind, doesn't mean I do. But you are on here too, participating in this conversation so what does that say about your axe.
You are obviously tied to the company in some way shape or form. There is not two ways about that.
That is not a retail store at you put it. That is or was or still is the corporate office for Hydroponics Inc., Luxx Lightning and Athena Nutrients.
Seems kind of sad you drill down to the point of coming after the small guy because he has facts.
This just goes to show the link between your number 1 cheer leader on IG and Luxx and Athena.
And the answer is Not Girls But ___ and not the city but out in Africa ______
 
Frankster

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You are obviously tied to the company in some way shape or form. There is not two ways about that.
That is not a retail store at you put it. That is or was or still is the corporate office for Hydroponics Inc., Luxx Lightning and Athena Nutrients.
Seems kind of sad you drill down to the point of coming after the small guy because he has facts.
This just goes to show the link between your number 1 cheer leader on IG and Luxx and Athena.
And the answer is Not Girls But ___ and not the city but out in Africa ______
Bingo. It's pretty obvious that's the case, or someone who benefits from them.
I'm out, the drama is too much for me. 😁
 
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And to answer this question, it is because they have stake in those companies. They a helped R&D each other's products and grew with each other. It is one big circle jerk. You are someone who knows things, why don't you know this?
MORE SPIN PLEASE. Wow your English Skills seem like they just got rattled a little bit with that last one.
 
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You are obviously tied to the company in some way shape or form. There is not two ways about that.
That is not a retail store at you put it. That is or was or still is the corporate office for Hydroponics Inc., Luxx Lightning and Athena Nutrients.
Seems kind of sad you drill down to the point of coming after the small guy because he has facts.
This just goes to show the link between your number 1 cheer leader on IG and Luxx and Athena.
And the answer is Not Girls But ___ and not the city but out in Africa ______
LMAO. Because I squashed your B.S. you think I am tied to the company. I am a rain drop in a river compared to these guys. You can go on IG and see my pathetic, little med grow. Same name as you see here, n0name_james. What you see is grown with Growers Choice led, Growth Science conventional, and Fish Sh!t. No mention of Athena or Luxx.

P.S. I would like to say that it is my first time growing with each of those products, as well as my first time growing with CO2 or growing that strain Shocktane. Had some misteps with feed rates and my temp/humidity so some of the foliage looks rough. There is a bit of a learning curve going from HPS to LED.
 
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Bingo. It's pretty obvious that's the case, or someone who benefits from them.
I'm out, the drama is too much for me. 😁
Again, because I disagree and can provide actual evidence as to why I am right, that equates to me being a company rep. It could t be that I don't educated myself on the products, right? Instead of coming on here, and just spouting whatever sounds good to me, knowing that no one on here is the wiser.

Sounds to me like you guys simply don't like hearing anything that doesn't comply with your narrative.

For the last time, I don't work for any of those companies. And I didn't click the links, I just assumed they were retail sites since they mentioned them in the article I pulled up on very short notice.

Never used Athena or Luxx. Can't say whether they are good or bad. I only have the information I gather online and from the grower community.

Sorry for pissing you off initially, I just didn't agree with what you were saying because I happen to know differently. That is all. Peace.
 
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LMAO. Because I squashed your B.S. you think I am tied to the company. I am a rain drop in a river compared to these guys. You can go on IG and see my pathetic, little med grow. Same name as you see here, n0name_james. What you see is grown with Growers Choice led, Growth Science conventional, and Fish Sh!t. No mention of Athena or Luxx.
I have not time for you. If it goes well we will not be seeing much of each other in the near future but oh knows. THC Farmer is for the masses but you are in some way shape or form tied to these companies.
And to answer this question, it is because they have stake in those companies. They a helped R&D each other's products and grew with each other. It is one big circle jerk. You are someone who knows things, why don't you know this?
If this comment does not prove it to the masses you might have done a better job of covering up your affiliation than I would have expected. One of the many nice things about THC Farmer is the fact that that there comment of your is in stone, meaning anyone include myself can go back and read it or reference it.
It would seem rather odd that you have all this knowledge about how they helped each other R&D products but you have no affiliation.
Peace out and good luck with your grows.
 
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LMAO. Because I squashed your B.S. you think I am tied to the company. I am a rain drop in a river compared to these guys. You can go on IG and see my pathetic, little med grow. Same name as you see here, n0name_james. What you see is grown with Growers Choice led, Growth Science conventional, and Fish Sh!t. No mention of Athena or Luxx.

P.S. I would like to say that it is my first time growing with each of those products, as well as my first time growing with CO2 or growing that strain Shocktane. Had some misteps with feed rates and my temp/humidity so some of the foliage looks rough. There is a bit of a learning curve going from HPS to LED.
You did not to squash any of my B.S. You took a quote of mine from 5 months ago and used information that was recent to the post date to try and show that you knew something that while is now current at the time was not. They bought product from Grow More and Grow More private labeled the product for them.
 
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I have not time for you. If it goes well we will not be seeing much of each other in the near future but oh knows. THC Farmer is for the masses but you are in some way shape or form tied to these companies.

If this comment does not prove it to the masses you might have done a better job of covering up your affiliation than I would have expected. One of the many nice things about THC Farmer is the fact that that there comment of your is in stone, meaning anyone include myself can go back and read it or reference it.
It would seem rather odd that you have all this knowledge about how they helped each other R&D products but you have no affiliation.
Peace out and good luck with your grows.
Dude, you are so ridiculous. I simply learn from people and the things they do in this industry. Anyone who has followed these companies and doesn't smoke.themselves stupid would take note of and remember the things I have mentioned on this thread. You can think whatever you want. I WISH I worked for one of these companies. Maybe my weed would look better. I would certainly make more money.
 
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You did not to squash any of my B.S. You took a quote of mine from 5 months ago and used information that was recent to the post date to try and show that you knew something that while is now current at the time was not. They bought product from Grow More and Grow More private labeled the product for them.
Yu are right, I updated this thread with current and accurate info. My bad. And again, where did you learn that Grow More makes or did make Athena product? Show me and I will believe you. But don't just say some shit that can't be verified and then tell me I don't know what I am talking about or that I am someone I am not.
 
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You did not to squash any of my B.S. You took a quote of mine from 5 months ago and used information that was recent to the post date to try and show that you knew something that while is now current at the time was not. They bought product from Grow More and Grow More private labeled the product for them.
And I squashed all of it dude you have provided nothing but your word, and accusations. Show me something besides your text that backs up your statements. lol.

Also, company reps... They represent the company they work for. They wouldn't fuck around with a no name like me or speak like I am speaking on this thread. I would hope they can rise above this seeing how they are actual players in this industry, not a bunch of nimrods on forums. Myself included
 

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