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Council Of First Knowledge, Jedi Temple Training Facility

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#4,822
I was fucking with you homie..
He didnt write it for you,
but you can see how one relates to the other,
which is what this is about,
relationships!

So if your girls ask,
so what did you and the guys talk about?,
you can tell her,
"Relationships"
:)
 
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Adding to what Joey said last night and keeping with the topic, I want to recommend that anybody moving to coco, or thinking about it, start with 1 gal or even next size bigger.
It is alot more challenging to keep up with 1/2 gal pots. You should wait till you have a few runs in coco. It is amazingly hard now to keep up with them, and keep them from drying out... I'm 3x watering with one hand watering a day and they were dried out!!! Damn I'm scared when full flower is on!!!!
 
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Wisher619 said:
Growing Plants......

Water=Electrical Carrier
Nutrients= +/- ions *electricity*
Medium=Battery
Light=Electricity *color wave length form*
Plant=Electrical Machine *electrical converter*

once we realize this we can start to understand what each plant needs

Medium....

there are many differ kinds of medium. If we understand that your meddium is a battery, and we study each medium's characteristics, we can therfore predict how each battery will operate with your plant

Nutrients.....

Nutrients are electricity. If we understand our plants electrical needs, we can therfore predict how much electricity it will need from each end....roots or leaves
these two energies coexist in synergistic fashion each balancing the other.....or fataly hampering the other. If we understand the plants needs we can then mathematically construct a feed chart *light/Nutrients/CO2* that will fit within the parameters that are available

dependent on your light source and CO2 levels we can figure what electrical charge the roots will need in order for the plant to perform its job

Back to Medium.....

so if we know what the plant now needs
we now need to understand our battery of choice and how chosen battery operates

each battery holds electricity

it is how that battery works that will taylor your feed schedule for your plant

example coco.....
there are many writeups on coco
I will not get into specifics of coco but only explain the knowledge of what I have read and experienced with coco

Coco has two main issues....It is a Ca hog and it releases K which can and will throw off your "rhizosphere"

the upside to coco is with the right mix of pith/chunk coir it has an extremely high O2 holding capacity.....meaning at full saturation it still holds approximately 30% O2...meaning your plants will not drown
(no such thing as over watering coco)

but this is what we find in coco

think of coco as a battery with cells that hold +/- electricity
as the cell walls dry they exchange these energies or.....release some and attach others

so if we know this....then there is a simple rule to coco that I have found

at full saturation....all cells are filled with what the coco wants

if we keep those cells constantly filled *full saturation*then those cells wont create the exchange which throws the rhizosphere out of balance

the best rule of thumb I have found for coco is only allow dry down time of 10-20% with an immediate refill of 10-20% runoff...essentially refilling the cells and flushing out the released electricity

the plants roots drain down the batteries cell walls by taking in H2O along with electricity....so with a medium like coco
we need the cells to be at full capacity 80% of the time

this is why we experience exponential growth when all other parameters are met
and we meet this requirement....

think of that 20% dry down as your plant ingesting electricity at the rate it needs it..

which brings us to how many feeds for coco a day
if you run small pots and your plant is consuming 20% every 20min then we need to up-pot to a larger pot.....this is where we taylor to "OUR" needs and convenience....
if we want to feed every 20min or every 3hours or once a day
these parameters depend on our choice not the plant....the plant will be consuming the same amount no matter what.....how long it takes to drain the battery....depends on the size of the battery.....
this dose not in any way change the amount of growth *bigger roots = bigger fruits* does not apply to this scenario

bigger roots are built in the vegetative stage of the plants life

if you are growing in a half gal pot and transfer to a 1 gal, veg for 1 more week and flip to flower you will have the same amount of growth as if you transfered to a 3 gal.....reason being.....although roots keep growing ...they grow significantly less than in veg stage

the only real difference in pot selection for flower....will be at what rate will you need to recharge your battery

Nutrients for Coco......

there is a common misconception about coco...."it needs calmg"
this is not true

if you follow the above directions you will never have a problem with coco

In commercial Agg hydroponics....the coco they use is never buffered

what the growers will do is charge the coco with a feed tailored to what crop they are growing....with an additional 20% Ca

with this charge the coco will fill the Ca bank ....once those cells that need Ca are filled...the additional Ca will be dropped and standard feed will be applied throughout crop life.
In the Boutique Hydroponic industry we get a special treat...Most coco brands are already Ca treated
which means that we should be able to start standard feed right off the bat.
What coco users dont actually take into consideration is the high amount of K coco holds
if you ever examine coco specific nutrients...it usually has the same amount of Ca as every other feed but what it dosnt have are high K levels.....High K levels will throw off the balance of nutrients causing all sorts of problems
another thing that coco specific nutrients have.....Calcium Nitrate as opposed to Carbonate.....carbonate turns to scale/lime in coco it throws off the balance of the ph creating a disaster within the rhizosphere.

There is information out there on elemental ppm of each Mineral our plant needs.
If you taylor those ppms to the qualities of coco and treat coco as it should you will experience amazing growth with beautiful abundant flowers and a smile across your face....

Wisher619
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This makes me think about something.

Some people have great results with automated watering Coco with no waste. Watering to the point just before runoff multiple times a day

Some people have horrible problems with this

I was thinking this could be as simple as watering practices. The person who has problems could be letting it dry out more than the successful person.
Let's say one person is letting it dry 50% between waterings. It would still be moist to the touch but could throw the "battery" all out of whack. Causing them to alternate nutrients like you say

The other person is watering when it sets out lets say only 15% dried out. So 85% moisture still. It is still recieving the O2 with multiple feedings. It isn't drying out to the point of coco going out of whack. And he still doesn't have runoff with no buildup problems

Am I way off base? Is it that simple?
I'm always gonna go with run off but it baffles me how some succeed so much and others end up locking out everything imaginable.
 
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Thejoeybrown said:
This makes me think about something.

Some people have great results with automated watering Coco with no waste. Watering to the point just before runoff multiple times a day

Some people have horrible problems with this

I was thinking this could be as simple as watering practices. The person who has problems could be letting it dry out more than the successful person.
Let's say one person is letting it dry 50% between waterings. It would still be moist to the touch but could throw the "battery" all out of whack. Causing them to alternate nutrients like you say

The other person is watering when it sets out lets say only 15% dried out. So 85% moisture still. It is still recieving the O2 with multiple feedings. It isn't drying out to the point of coco going out of whack. And he still doesn't have runoff with no buildup problems

Am I way off base? Is it that simple?
I'm always gonna go with run off but it baffles me how some succeed so much and others end up locking out everything imaginable.
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so there are people who do this and there are few things they do differ
1. Large pots
2. Use of Enzyme/Salt Leach
3. really low ec with a constant
4. They usually never admit it *they flush*
 
#4,830
EventHorizan said:
Tell me what the length of your biggest fan leaf is? pics?
Whats the temp gauge say?
Its been a lil cooler here...
About time I need to save some money!
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3 inches. Around 86 degrees under the cfls.
 
#4,831
EventHorizan said:
We know... He wrote it for you!
He was trying to explain how the hot temps your lights are putting out, change the RELATIVE humidity, which which is comparable to Jupiter hydroponics.....
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For sure. I was jk when I said I wasn't aware of the interesting comparison wisher was making after I had just read his proposition lol
 
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Scratch the 86°. They're at a steady 82°F now that I have the fan pointed more toward the bulbs.
 

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I waited longer then usual to top and the recovery is much smoother. I will not top them to early anymore, lesson learned.
I'm also waiting 2 weeks longer to flip.
I know being patient in those areas will increase My yield and make for happy plants.
Environmental factors and strain play the biggest role in plant development and growth.
The "battery and electricity" coco& nutes (love the anology!)
Are all just supporting actors in the grand scheme of things.
Its hard to find a Farmer that puts more energy into perfecting humidity and temp/ airflow then he does the perfect feeding schedule.
Good Morning!!!
 
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Polar510 said:
I waited longer then usual to top and the recovery is much smoother. I will not top them to early anymore, lesson learned.
I'm also waiting 2 weeks longer to flip.
I know being patient in those areas will increase My yield and make for happy plants.
Environmental factors and strain play the biggest role in plant development and growth.
The "battery and electricity" coco& nutes (love the anology!)
Are all just supporting actors in the grand scheme of things.
Its hard to find a Farmer that puts more energy into perfecting humidity and temp/ airflow then he does the perfect feeding schedule.
Good Morning!!!
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A fine morning to you!
 
#4,840
Polar510 said:
I waited longer then usual to top and the recovery is much smoother. I will not top them to early anymore, lesson learned.
I'm also waiting 2 weeks longer to flip.
I know being patient in those areas will increase My yield and make for happy plants.
Environmental factors and strain play the biggest role in plant development and growth.
The "battery and electricity" coco& nutes (love the anology!)
Are all just supporting actors in the grand scheme of things.
Its hard to find a Farmer that puts more energy into perfecting humidity and temp/ airflow then he does the perfect feeding schedule.
Good Morning!!!
Click to expand...

I'd say i spend way more time trying to get my temp + humidity stable & at my desired levels than i do planning out my nutrients... But then again i use cultured solutions and follow their feed chart at 50-75% strength so its pretty easy..
 
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