Decided to try organic, thinking dry amendment?

Lockeboxgrows · Jul 13, 2022

Main question at bottom.
What's up guys. So in my outdoor grow, I have a white widow and runts both planted in fox farm Happy frog in 20 gallon fab pots.
They have both had a little synthetic nutrients but not in the last month or so, they've been eating nothing but whats in the happy frog.
The bottom of each plant is taking on a golden hue so I think they might be ready for some food.
The amount of water they drink and my lack of buckets to mix such a huge amount of bottle nutes takes that off the table for me.
I'm thinking a premixed organic dry amendment will be perfect so I can top dress and water like normal.

My question though is about veg vs flower, is there a difference in dry amendments for the different stages? I know absolutely nothing about organic but if there's one product I can buy and use from seed to harvest in my outdoor that would be amazing. I have 2 fixing to flower soon and 2 I just planted so something that could feed both would be cool (I try to get by using transplants instead of nutes in the veg stage but I just planted an auto in it's final pot so can't do that)
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mysticepipedon · Jul 13, 2022

Lockeboxgrows said:
My question though is about veg vs flower, is there a difference in dry amendments for the different stages? I know absolutely nothing about organic but if there's one product I can buy and use from seed to harvest in my outdoor that would be amazing. I have 2 fixing to flower soon and 2 I just planted so something that could feed both would be cool (I try to get by using transplants instead of nutes in the veg stage but I just planted an auto in it's final pot so can't do that)
Here they are
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Yes, there are different dry nutrients for veg and flower. But I agree with you, dry is the way to go for outdoor, IMO.

Are they starting to flower? If so, you only need the bloom nutrients. If they're not starting to flower and money is tight, you might just say fuck it, they're getting bloom nutrients the whole way. But if you do that, make sure those bloom nutes have some nitrogen. "Bloom boosters" usually have almost no nitrogen.

Lockeboxgrows · Jul 13, 2022

mysticepipedon said:
Yes, there are different dry nutrients for veg and flower. But I agree with you, dry is the way to go for outdoor, IMO.

Are they starting to flower? If so, you only need the bloom nutrients. If they're not starting to flower and money is tight, you might just say fuck it, they're getting bloom nutrients the whole way. But if you do that, make sure those bloom nutes have some nitrogen. "Bloom boosters" usually have almost no nitrogen.

They aren't flowering quite yet. Well one isn't atleast, one started to but I think is now in reveg for reasons I don't know.
Yeah money is a little tight right now, I've got a $30 budget so I'll just have to go with whatever that can get me, not sure on organic prices. If I have to I'll do like you say and get Bloom nutrients making sure theres some nitrogen for that last bit of veg/ stretch

freezeland2 · Jul 13, 2022

Look at roots organic dry amendments

mysticepipedon · Jul 13, 2022

freezeland2 said:
Look at roots organic dry amendments

I like Roots dry amendments and soils. The "terp teas" have worked well during the grow I'm doing now.

Bahrain79 · Jul 13, 2022

Get a organic dry fertilizer for tomatoes. The ratios are similar to ones for flowering cannabis at a 1/3 of the price.

Lockeboxgrows · Jul 13, 2022

So I just got done at the grow store. Having no idea what I'm really doing and trying to put together something I can use for the majority of a grow I walked away with this:

What are yalls thoughts? Between my budget and the overwhelmingness of the organic section that's what I came up with, wish there was more potassium though

They didn't have the roots brand or anything I really recognize outside of the fox farms but then again I dont do organic

weed420420420420420 · Jul 13, 2022

The yellow bag stuff is good but doesn't absorb into the soil too well.
Cut the directions in half or even a third or else you'll just end up with a pile of the stuff on your top layer.
Also mix it with your water then pour.

Though the blood meal will probably dissolve right thru on it's own.

The yellow bag is a little more flower specific than the red bag. But it will be the right thing in just a few weeks here anyway.

Lockeboxgrows · Jul 13, 2022

weed420420420420420 said:
The yellow bag stuff is good but doesn't absorb into the soil too well.
Cut the directions in half or even a third or else you'll just end up with a pile of the stuff on your top layer.
Also mix it with your water then pour.

Though the blood meal will probably dissolve right thru on it's own.

The yellow bag is a little more flower specific than the red bag. But it will be the right thing in just a few weeks here anyway.

Awesome thanks for the tips! They didn't have a red bag at the store just the one I got and then the acid loving plants purple bag, is the red bag the tomato one?
And yeah that's what I was going for, I'm hoping to use the preamended nutrients in the Happy frog soil plus that blood meal for veg and then introduce that yellow bag for flower and cut off the blood meal or something like that

Shaded_One · Jul 13, 2022

Check out Dr. Earth or Gaia Green they both offer similar ratios

4-4-4
2-8-4

Lockeboxgrows · Jul 13, 2022

Shaded_One said:
Check out Dr. Earth or Gaia Green they both offer similar ratios

4-4-4
2-8-4

I've heard good things about both of those to my dismay though they didn't have either at the store

freezeland2 · Jul 13, 2022

mysticepipedon said:
I like Roots dry amendments and soils. The "terp teas" have worked well during the grow I'm doing now.

I’m using the same roots organic terp tea line right now in FFOF except their micro booster. I’m using the Great White product line for that. Highly recommend their stuff too.

Bahrain79 · Jul 13, 2022

Lockeboxgrows said:
So I just got done at the grow store. Having no idea what I'm really doing and trying to put together something I can use for the majority of a grow I walked away with this:
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What are yalls thoughts? Between my budget and the overwhelmingness of the organic section that's what I came up with, wish there was more potassium though

They didn't have the roots brand or anything I really recognize outside of the fox farms but then again I dont do organic

That will work fine. Use a 3 prong cultivator or your fingers and work it into the top inch of the soil around your plants don't be afraid to break the roots, it will actually stimulate more growth.

freezeland2 · Jul 13, 2022

mysticepipedon said:
I like Roots dry amendments and soils. The "terp teas" have worked well during the grow I'm doing now.

Wanted to add that I found their terp tea grow to be pretty hot. Easy to feed to much of it. I am following their feed chart for dry amendments in soil. It assumes a 10 - 20 g pot and goes up from there. So I use it more for figuring ratios when feeding more than one terp tea product. E.g bloom and boost. But I go by the bag instructions with 1 tsp per g of soil for amount. I’m in 7g fabs and just fed for week 5. Last feed by their chart is in week 7. Back at week 2 of flower I got a little tip clawing from to much N from the grow terp tea. Didn’t burn leaf tips or leaf surface. She hasn’t missed a beat and looks great other than a few claws. Those will never go away after being N toxic.

mysticepipedon · Jul 13, 2022

freezeland2 said:
I’m using the same roots organic terp tea line right now in FFOF except their micro booster. I’m using the Great White product line for that. Highly recommend their stuff too.

I didn't use their veg nutes this time, because I tried their Lush soil, and when you're transplanting every week or two, they don't need anything else. A bit pricey, but it sure saved time, and I really needed that.

freezeland2 · Jul 13, 2022

mysticepipedon said:
I didn't use their veg nutes this time, because I tried their Lush soil, and when you're transplanting every week or two, they don't need anything else. A bit pricey, but it sure saved time, and I really needed that.

Check that great white stuff out. Pricey but a little goes a long way and it busts those roots out bro. Couldn’t ask for better root growth.

mysticepipedon · Jul 13, 2022

freezeland2 said:
Check that great white stuff out. Pricey but a little goes a long way and it busts those roots out bro. Couldn’t ask for better root growth.

Until I stop working 7 days a week (January 1, 2023!!!), pre-mixed organic soils, loaded with nutes, is how I have to grow. I'll look for it.

freezeland2 · Jul 13, 2022

mysticepipedon said:
Until I stop working 7 days a week (January 1, 2023!!!), pre-mixed organic soils, loaded with nutes, is how I have to grow. I'll look for it.

The Lush is a water only soil no?

bigbagofbuds · Jul 13, 2022

Lockeboxgrows said:
So I just got done at the grow store. Having no idea what I'm really doing and trying to put together something I can use for the majority of a grow I walked away with this:
View attachment 1261400
What are yalls thoughts? Between my budget and the overwhelmingness of the organic section that's what I came up with, wish there was more potassium though

They didn't have the roots brand or anything I really recognize outside of the fox farms but then again I dont do organic

The blood meal is faster acting but you can use it in combination with the fruit and flower fertilizer to create a more veg focused blend. I would do a top dress of the fruit and flower, then top dress a small amount of the blood meal weekly until flowering is well under way (in addition to more fruit and flower fertilizer every 3 to 4 weeks).

Ive never used these specific fertilizers but I mix my own blends with alfalfa meal, insect frass, crab meal, and turkey trot.

Lockeboxgrows · Jul 13, 2022

bigbagofbuds said:
The blood meal is faster acting but you can use it in combination with the fruit and flower fertilizer to create a more veg focused blend. I would do a top dress of the fruit and flower, then top dress a small amount of the blood meal weekly until flowering is well under way (in addition to more fruit and flower fertilizer every 3 to 4 weeks).

Ive never used these specific fertilizers but I mix my own blends with alfalfa meal, insect frass, crab meal, and turkey trot.

Awesome dude that's exactly what I was hoping to do so I'm really glad to hear y'all think it will work.
I'm mixing up my goods in a dish right now, I read on another thread someone said 1 tsp blood meal per gallon of soil so I'll try that mixed with 1 1/2 cup of fruit and flower (per feeding chart for 3' plant).
Didn't know I needed to top dress with blood meal weekly, figured it would be monthly like the other so thanks there. once the flowering does take full effect should I cut it out completely and use only fruit and flower?

Decided to try organic, thinking dry amendment?

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