Technically, light can pass through most cannabis leaves, undoubtedly some strains leaf thickness or dark color may inhibit it a little. Cloroplasts in the plant leaf absorb light from any angle and convert it to energy. Therefore, lighting 'from any angle' would be beneficial to cannabis.so its it true that the bottom of a leaf does not take in light so no point in under lighting?
Again, more empirical observation and not science, but that's cool. That's what you guys teach here on thcfarmer?
Yea what he said ! Lol im not the most well spoken person out there but I have made enough mistakes while experimenting to know what works I may not know why but after many experiments and many failures I can now say I know what works for meAgain, more empirical observation and not science, but that's cool. That's what you guys teach here on thcfarmer?
Cool I left a little more on mine but hey it's my second indoor outing I'll be a bit more heavy handed on this next crop . Cheers for the info guys .Technically, light can pass through most cannabis leaves, undoubtedly some strains leaf thickness or dark color may inhibit it a little. Cloroplasts in the plant leaf absorb light from any angle and convert it to energy. Therefore, lighting 'from any angle' would be beneficial to cannabis.
The evidence says people have taken leaves off at all stages and the cannabis plants are fine. If the argument is whether you should or not, it would seem the science says no. I would agree 100% with Dumme on that. But if the argument is if you could or not, fact wins every day. It's theory that you shouldn't remove them. The reality is you can. What more is there to be said?
Yea what he said im not the most well spoken person out there but I have made enough mistakes while experimenting to know what works I may not know why but after many experiments and many failures I can now say I know what works for me
Your rounding the newbie learning curve.....True, but thats like saying the sky "is" blue because we all see it that colour. Obviously its not really blue, as it just looks blue. If you stop at emperical observation, the science doesn't hold its value.
That goes along with social conformities. "We do it this way. Why? Because that's the way it's done, and I saw the other guy doing it, and it looked right."
It's also called a scientific thesis, not fact.
@gravecat303, @ShroomKing, @Seamaiden
If you guys are teaching defoliation as fact, that's fine and dandy, but I'd rather know now before I invest all my time into learning things here.
Sarcasm was intended.I really can't tell if you're trying to insult me or not, but the sarcasm is pouring out of my phone right now.
If youre trying to teach, you're failing. I thought you were here to help people grow and understand?
And to this I apologize to the OP, but its information I think everyone can benefit from...
Hmm, ok, a staff member of a grow forum, that is not here to teach growing. Ok thats cool, just never heard of that before.
So your saying, in the capacity of a staff member, that Im able to ignore staff members? Is that correct?
Cool I left a little more on mine but hey it's my second indoor outing I'll be a bit more heavy handed on this next crop . Cheers for the info guys .
we are all students of life and this is just part of life how and what path we take and we can all learn from one another and draw on the experiences each outher can bring to the tables ego free ....I'm a farmer, not a teacher. As a staff member my self defined duties are to moderate the content of threads. Personally, I usually only moderate when personal attacks, or insults start to fly. And occasionally, I digress, and participate in the insults. I'm only human.
As far as for you as a member to be able to ignore me as a staff member, I don't know. Unfortunately as a staff member I will also be unable to assist you with technical issues dealing with site template or functionality.
Man my country ass don't get this guy at all seems like greyareas extra douchy brother who just wants to fight atleast Grey is nice loll fuck it im out ima go defan and water my crappy grow that doesn't work and only produces a couple pounds per light . also I noticed more saliva plants like jack really hate defaningI'm a farmer, not a teacher. As a staff member my self defined duties are to moderate the content of threads. Personally, I usually only moderate when personal attacks, or insults start to fly. And occasionally, I digress, and participate in the insults. I'm only human.
As far as for you as a member to be able to ignore me as a staff member, I don't know. Unfortunately as a staff member I will also be unable to assist you with technical issues dealing with site template or functionality.
I don't mind if you don't help as you said yourself you don't claim to be a teacher.
So will I be breaking some site policy if I attempted blocking a staff member?
...and it goes without saying that calling me a burger flipper is completely acceptable form of insulting, as per the site..
And to this I apologize to the OP, but its information I think everyone can benefit from...
Hmm, ok, a staff member of a grow forum, that is not here to teach growing. Ok thats cool, just never heard of that before.
So your saying, in the capacity of a staff member, that Im able to ignore staff members? Is that correct?
Just so I understand your post, you suggest removing the larger leaves on top, the one that can handle large/high amounts of light density, the ones that produce the most G3P, and have the most chlorophyll, and cut them right off so the smaller, underdeveloped leaves below can grow more and perhaps replace the ones you just cut off, and somehow that makes the yield increase? Is that what you're saying?
Once you defoliate the fans in flower. The leaves at the flower sites enlarge. Delivering the good stuff directly where you need it, in the flowers.
With specific regard to the question posed that you quoted, to me it makes exactly zero sense that the plant would spend energy growing something that's useless. Where does photosynthesis occur? To the best of my knowledge, leaves. Therefore it makes no sense to me that a leaf, simply due to its location on the plant, wouldn't be providing some benefit.As far as I'm aware no , let's ask @Seamaiden see if she can shed some light on the subject.
Please don't include me in this group. I do not advocate harsh defoliation. I have endeavored to make my own stance known.If you guys are teaching defoliation as fact, that's fine and dandy, but I'd rather know now before I invest all my time into learning things here.
I don't get why people think moods are masters or have some amazing powers when in reality we are spam killers . my bad if I offended you if you want straight "science " and not peoples opinions I would hit up @lino or @squiggI kept checking to see if it was hidden and sadly was disappointed when I saw it wasn't, until much later.
Perhaps I was unclear where I stand when defining terms. Cannabis is just now becoming mainstream, and as far as I can tell, its still too new for any real industry terms to stick. I default and follow google's definition of defoliation, and not to be confused with "trimming" or "pruning" (lollipoping).
de·fo·li·ate
dēˈfōlēˌāt/
verb
verb: defoliate; 3rd person present: defoliates; past tense: defoliated; past participle: defoliated; gerund or present participle: defoliating
remove leaves from (a tree, plant, or area of land), for agricultural purposes or as a military tactic.
"the area was defoliated and napalmed many times"
Origin
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late 18th century: from late Latin defoliat- ‘stripped of leaves,’ from the verb defoliare, from de- (expressing removal) + folium ‘leaf.’
I defer to this definition because its, not only accepted by the horticulture and agriculture groups for it, but the world as well. I dont do this in my garden... or Schawzzing, or what ever you guys want to call it.
Lollipopping is a pruning technique which creates an attractive “lollipop” shape while concentrating each plant's energy into its upper, bud producing branches.
I lollipop my ladies while in Veg. I do this for multiple reasons; first and formost because I cant bend over as I have back issues, but more over and as listed in the very first video I posted on this thread, for re-distribution of remaining nutrients with in the plant (and the answer to the threads OP question). Lollipopping is "Pruning", and not just the leaves, but all the undergrowth that may use more nutrients, than give, during flower.
It's empirical observation and nothing more. Unfortunately, I really don't think I can learn anything from these Mod's other than Seamaiden perhaps. She seems to know how to treat members and situations with finesse, whether in agreement or not.
Adult leaf location would only be important in its relationship to light intensity (distance from it). The more light (photons) the more photosynthesis. Adult leaves use very little nutrients, but younger, undeveloped leaves, such as the ones farther from the light source and lower growth on the plant, with continue to use remaining nutrients. To me, it makes no sense to chop mature leaves for deeper light penetration of leaves that will take more from the nutrient pool, than give.
I completely agree about removing poor bud sites, as per what I've been saying.
I don't, truely, but I wanted you to know what was going on.
I'll settle for simple politeness, or even a Mod that follows the rules the site calls for. I've never been of a site that a Mod says a members is being "Douchie", and its accepted as ok.
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