Aqua Man

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What's the best organic nutrient out here available to make the flower more dense?
Grower experience and environment. I don't think nute companies have managed to bottle this yet but I could be wrong they have every other snake oil imaginable so who knows.

Typically youe light intensity will be the biggest factor but of course strain and environment.
 
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Grower experience and environment. I don't think nute companies have managed to bottle this yet but I could be wrong they have every other snake oil imaginable so who knows.

Typically youe light intensity will be the biggest factor but of course strain and environment.
 

Aqua Man

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Yeah you can literally buy the raw mpk minus the added ammonia which you don't need added in flower. And save a fucking shit load brother.
1lb will last a home grower a lifetime.
 

1diesel1

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Yeah you can literally buy the raw mpk minus the added ammonia which you don't need added in flower. And save a fucking shit load brother.
1lb will last a home grower a lifetime.
Luckily I got a buddy that owns a grow store. Get everything at cost. Good call though bro!
 

Jimster

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There is a product called Tricotanol, derived from alfalfa and other vegetarian sources. It isn't a nutrient, more of a plant growth regulator (PGR). It makes a big difference on both vegging and flowering. From my experience, it also causes plants to mature more quickly. A lot of growers brew their own, but it is also readily available as a dry powder. The lower concentrations can be mixed directly with water, stronger concentrations need to be dissolved first in alcohol or other solvent.
This is a little different than the bloom boosters, which are simply concentrated nutrients. Triacontanol is different in it's actions, but is a totally natural compound. More light will also help greatly.
 

Aqua Man

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There is a product called Tricotanol, derived from alfalfa and other vegetarian sources. It isn't a nutrient, more of a plant growth regulator (PGR). It makes a big difference on both vegging and flowering. From my experience, it also causes plants to mature more quickly. A lot of growers brew their own, but it is also readily available as a dry powder. The lower concentrations can be mixed directly with water, stronger concentrations need to be dissolved first in alcohol or other solvent.
This is a little different than the bloom boosters, which are simply concentrated nutrients. Triacontanol is different in it's actions, but is a totally natural compound. More light will also help greatly.
Good point I never even thought about PGRs. I never dabbles in them since messing with one affects other and typically extremely small doses are used. I have no doubt they can work if you know what your doing with em.
 

Jimster

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Good point I never even thought about PGRs. I never dabbles in them since messing with one affects other and typically extremely small doses are used. I have no doubt they can work if you know what your doing with em.
Tria is different than most plant hormones and PGRs, many of which can be downright toxic. I guess since it is a derivative of plants, it doesn't seem to cause any of the odd growth that other compounds can cause. I was looking for a compound to cause a taller Black Diesel plant (which tend to be shorter than most that I grow). I found some that produced freaky looking plants that I wouldn't use, so I abandoned that line of research and decided to try Tria. I was pleasantly suprised at the overall effect. It wasn't like a plant on steroids or anything, but it made a notable difference in overall vigor and flowering. One problem was branches getting overly heavy and falling over, but those are problems I can live with! 😁
 

Aqua Man

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Tria is different than most plant hormones and PGRs, many of which can be downright toxic. I guess since it is a derivative of plants, it doesn't seem to cause any of the odd growth that other compounds can cause. I was looking for a compound to cause a taller Black Diesel plant (which tend to be shorter than most that I grow). I found some that produced freaky looking plants that I wouldn't use, so I abandoned that line of research and decided to try Tria. I was pleasantly suprised at the overall effect. It wasn't like a plant on steroids or anything, but it made a notable difference in overall vigor and flowering. One problem was branches getting overly heavy and falling over, but those are problems I can live with! 😁
This brings up something else I have seen recently. A lot of us use rooting hormone. Seen some questions asking why they are seeing great root growth but very little topside growth. Even though the are in extremely low concentrations applying to much could cause a longer period for the plant to swing back to equalibrium in hormones before the top growth starts to pick up. Willow branches are know to contain higher amounts than most plants and it's produced in the new growth and transported to the root from there. So some use willow tips to make a sort of diy rooting hormone. I would say natural has a much lower chance to overdose and likely much more stable to use since it concentration would likely be much more uniform.
 
Cmon guys. Pk booster has nothing to do with flower density unless you are actually deficient in pk.

Genetics, temps, light intensity, proper nutrients. And in the sweet spot for light cause too much will possibly make airy buds if too intense and hot on the flowers.

Pgr’s do affect growth and structure. I have not and never plan to use them.

Less is more and timing is everything are the rules i like to follow. In life too.
 
This brings up something else I have seen recently. A lot of us use rooting hormone. Seen some questions asking why they are seeing great root growth but very little topside growth. Even though the are in extremely low concentrations applying to much could cause a longer period for the plant to swing back to equalibrium in hormones before the top growth starts to pick up. Willow branches are know to contain higher amounts than most plants and it's produced in the new growth and transported to the root from there. So some use willow tips to make a sort of diy rooting hormone. I would say natural has a much lower chance to overdose and likely much more stable to use since it concentration would likely be much more uniform.

Dont know if i mentioned this but the breeder i was friends with was an early pioneer in feminized seed breeding. He cautions that root boosters and hormone/vitamin products can cause hermies later in fem seeds.
 

Aqua Man

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Cmon guys. Pk booster has nothing to do with flower density unless you are actually deficient in pk.

Genetics, temps, light intensity, proper nutrients. And in the sweet spot for light cause too much will possibly make airy buds if too intense and hot on the flowers.

Pgr’s do affect growth and structure. I have not and never plan to use them.

Less is more and timing is everything are the rules i like to follow. In life too.
This is my exact feeling also.

Dont know if i mentioned this but the breeder i was friends with was an early pioneer in feminized seed breeding. He cautions that root boosters and hormone/vitamin products can cause hermies later in fem seeds.
I don't doubt it one bit
 
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