Did I go Defoliation overboard?

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Due to shit tons of rain and not being on top of the garden like flies on rice Powdery Mildew has take over the trumpet vine on the fence. I fight it every week particularly around the green house. So far so good, knock. The following pic is a week or 2 before defoliating.
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My question is did I go too far with defoliating and what effect does defoliating too much have on the end product? 3rd day after they are still like an 18 year old with 2 viagras….happy as shit! Following 3 pics after defoliation.

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Beyond watching hundreds of YouTube videos and staying at a holiday inn, I’m a first time grower with 0 cannabis growing experience. I’ve grown a garden for dozens of years with good outcomes. Cannabis growing is nothing like your typical garden for me anyway.

I used foxfarm ocean soil, promix bx, coast of Maine lobster crab compost to start. Nutrients I used the foxfarm trio, and top dressed twice with down to earths alfalfa, oyster shells, EW castings, fish bone meal, and kelp meal. Yeah, yeah, I bought into the nutrient hype for my first time ignoramus grow. After many Ph meter fails I wound up with an Apera 60, which is consistently maintained and calibrated to 4 and 7. Excellent buy.

I began the week before Memorial Day. Currently have 8 plants from a bag of mixed seeds given to me from a friend who worked at a dispensary. The bag contained Cali Orange, blue dream, blue Cindy, and GG. I believe the 2 8’rs in the back are blue Cindy but the rest is anybody’s guess.
Back to the Powdery Mildew…it’s had me shitt’n for 1.5 months now but I refuse to use fungicides or any other chemicals. I eat tons of veggies from the garden so I stuck with neem oil, baking soda, dish detergent, and olive oil. My idea was to keep the greenhouse closed to the infected area, treat the soil and veg all around the greenhouse and monitor closely, and keep the greenhouse well ventilated with a huge fan inside.

I trimmed all along the grow but decided to go nuts beginning 3rd week of flower(for 6 of them, 2 plants started flower premee). Flowering brought on such growth that I could barely move without bending branches. With that in mind and the powdery mildew I went all in and pretty much left only the bud sites and new leaves.

Again, My question is did I go too far with defoliating and what effect does defoliating too much have on the end product bud sites.
 
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Yes, you went too far. Now put all those leaves back. I never understand why folks defoliate. I guess in some in-door, greenhouse, grow tents maybe remove some of the lower leaves for better air circulation. Makes no sense.

Don’t tell me you’re approaching flush time. Another non sense practice.
 
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Definitely heavy handed on defol. Honestly it’s about selecting the most obtrusive leaves pointed inward that are covering possible bud sites. Now lollipopping helps canopy get stronger, but there is a limit. There’s a line where you can find that you are being counter productive if you get a little liberal. gotta have leaves to transpire at the proper clip…..
 
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Due to shit tons of rain and not being on top of the garden like flies on rice Powdery Mildew has take over the trumpet vine on the fence. I fight it every week particularly around the green house. So far so good, knock. The following pic is a week or 2 before defoliating.
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My question is did I go too far with defoliating and what effect does defoliating too much have on the end product? 3rd day after they are still like an 18 year old with 2 viagras….happy as shit! Following 3 pics after defoliation.

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Beyond watching hundreds of YouTube videos and staying at a holiday inn, I’m a first time grower with 0 cannabis growing experience. I’ve grown a garden for dozens of years with good outcomes. Cannabis growing is nothing like your typical garden for me anyway.

I used foxfarm ocean soil, promix bx, coast of Maine lobster crab compost to start. Nutrients I used the foxfarm trio, and top dressed twice with down to earths alfalfa, oyster shells, EW castings, fish bone meal, and kelp meal. Yeah, yeah, I bought into the nutrient hype for my first time ignoramus grow. After many Ph meter fails I wound up with an Apera 60, which is consistently maintained and calibrated to 4 and 7. Excellent buy.

I began the week before Memorial Day. Currently have 8 plants from a bag of mixed seeds given to me from a friend who worked at a dispensary. The bag contained Cali Orange, blue dream, blue Cindy, and GG. I believe the 2 8’rs in the back are blue Cindy but the rest is anybody’s guess.
Back to the Powdery Mildew…it’s had me shitt’n for 1.5 months now but I refuse to use fungicides or any other chemicals. I eat tons of veggies from the garden so I stuck with neem oil, baking soda, dish detergent, and olive oil. My idea was to keep the greenhouse closed to the infected area, treat the soil and veg all around the greenhouse and monitor closely, and keep the greenhouse well ventilated with a huge fan inside.

I trimmed all along the grow but decided to go nuts beginning 3rd week of flower(for 6 of them, 2 plants started flower premee). Flowering brought on such growth that I could barely move without bending branches. With that in mind and the powdery mildew I went all in and pretty much left only the bud sites and new leaves.

Again, My question is did I go too far with defoliating and what effect does defoliating too much have on the end product bud sites.
I defoliated my GG4 plant and it went dormant for about a week then continued to grow. I definitely think it hindered the photosynthesis process. So my Gary Payton plant, I just would
Trim off the unhealthy leaves. It looks a lot fuller than the GG4. Hope this helps
 
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I also agree, flushing is counterproductive, why in the world would anyone starve their plants? Because that is all you will end up with. Then you will be chasing a myriad of issues…..
 
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Yes, you went too far. Now put all those leaves back. I never understand why folks defoliate. I guess in some in-door, greenhouse, grow tents maybe remove some of the lower leaves for better air circulation. Makes no sense.

Don’t tell me you’re approaching flush time. Another non sense practice.
Thanks Zill, appreciate the feedback. Since you do not flush and barely defoliate I’m guessing you are unaware of the effects of defoliating too much?
 
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Thanks Zill, appreciate the feedback. Since you do not flush and barely defoliate I’m guessing you are unaware of the effects of defoliating too much?
You slow the plants transpiration rate. Which kills uptake.
 
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I'm thinking you may have over done it a bit. "But". I also defoliate heavily. A couple of weeks into flower I remove everything from the ground up 30%.
I then pinch off every bud up the stalk to the 75% mark as I'm not growing popcorn. I only want to harvest top colas maybe a few buds bellow.
That is why I do so much work creating short bushy plants.

Lemon bud


And my plants put there all into the tops.
I guess it's all in how one looks at it. Get after them with a good flowering mix all will be well!
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I don't do this with all of my plants but a select few. You bet.
 
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I also agree, flushing is counterproductive, why in the world would anyone starve their plants? Because that is all you will end up with. Then you will be chasing a myriad of issues…..
Dang, I’ve been flushing my plant more than my Moen toilet. I think I may stop it. I just did it to flush the fox farm fert but I think I will hold off as there is a puddle in my grow tent. I elevated the plant to the roots could breathe. As you stated “counterproductive.” Thanks for the I sight
 
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Dang, I’ve been flushing my plant more than my Moen toilet. I think I may stop it. I just did it to flush the fox farm fert but I think I will hold off as there is a puddle in my grow tent. I elevated the plant to the roots could breathe. As you stated “counterproductive.” Thanks for the I sight
Sledge hammer eh? Ok, yeah. It’s really not good stuff, hang with me for a second, imagine if you will, a company that wants you to use more of their nutes? A sure fire way is to mislead younger growers into creating nutritional surpluses that then cause a novice to flush thinking it will help so they use more, so they can flush again……and use more…..it’s shitty, but true. Instead of using a ff feeding chart, there are cannabis nutrition charts that lay out what they need and when. Much more cohesive approach. Also, with the ff line, it’s always good to use 1/2 the recommended dose, and then tick up from there if you need be. Much better approach than overdosing and trying to fix it.
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Actually it’s not difficult to envision the affects of defoliating an actively growing photosynthetic plant. You are removing all the factories that produce the photosynthates. Plants really enjoy the photosynthates.
 
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Sledge hammer eh? Ok, yeah. It’s really not good stuff, hang with me for a second, imagine if you will, a company that wants you to use more of their nutes? A sure fire way is to mislead younger growers into creating nutritional surpluses that then cause a novice to flush thinking it will help so they use more, so they can flush again……and use more…..it’s shitty, but true. Instead of using a ff feeding chart, there are cannabis nutrition charts that lay out what they need and when. Much more cohesive approach. Also, with the ff line, it’s always good to use 1/2 the recommended dose, and then tick up from there if you need be. Much better approach than overdosing and trying to fix it. View attachment 2030756
FOR THE WIN!!!! That made
Sooo much sense.
 
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Hope it helps you homie! I’m pulling for you! Fuck ups are never fuck ups unless you never learn, it’s just figuring out what not to do next time. All in the aid of youre quest.
 
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Listen to the Captain.

Then go back into the forum and search for plant flushing threads. Read the ones where a member describes the benefits of flushing. Read it twice. Does that make any sense?

According to the “experts”…
Somehow the plant stores vaults of unassimilated ions in the leaves and buds. If we don’t remove all those nasty ions it will contaminate the buds and your buzz is now adulterated. BUT wait, if I flush the crap out of the plant roots somehow all the ionic vault doors magically fly open and those horrid ions flow backwards against the transpiration stream back out of the roots into the growth medium.

Does that make sense?

Zill.
 
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Listen to the Captain.

Then go back into the forum and search for plant flushing threads. Read the ones where a member describes the benefits of flushing. Read it twice. Does that make any sense?

According to the “experts”…
Somehow the plant stores vaults of unassimilated ions in the leaves and buds. If we don’t remove all those nasty ions it will contaminate the buds and your buzz is now adulterated. BUT wait, if I flush the crap out of the plant roots somehow all the ionic vault doors magically fly open and those horrid ions flow backwards against the transpiration stream back out of the roots into the growth medium.

Does that make sense?

Zill.
man, I always learn something new from you homie @Zill
 
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I'm thinking you may have over done it a bit. "But". I also defoliate heavily. A couple of weeks into flower I remove everything from the ground up 30%.
I then pinch off every bud up the stalk to the 75% mark as I'm not growing popcorn. I only want to harvest top colas maybe a few buds bellow.
That is why I do so much work creating short bushy plants.

View attachment 2030745

And my plants put there all into the tops.
I guess it's all in how one looks at it. Get after them with a good flowering mix all will be well!
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I don't do this with all of my plants but a select few. You bet.
Thanks Imzzaudae, I fed them full nutes after defoliating and just fed them again with cal/mag, a 0-10-10 bloom and Terpinator. Hopefully this will help a bit. Definitely a learning experience but I didn’t want to get to the end and smoke fungus.
 
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I also agree, flushing is counterproductive, why in the world would anyone starve their plants? Because that is all you will end up with. Then you will be chasing a myriad of issues…..
all depends on the medium your in guys in regards to flushing. Soil, can't see it would help. Hydro, 5 day flush makes a huge differrence.
 

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