Doctors who recommend more plants?

[GreenThumbBill]

I just read in 420 something about doctors being allowed to recommend more than the state minimum. Is it fairly easy, or difficult to find a doctor that will make such a recomendation? I have a well documented qualifying condition.

 

[Seamaiden]

What a fantastic magazine! It's citing law that's been struck down. There are no more plant limits in California. Any doctor who limits their patient by plant count or finished bud weight is doing that patient a disservice. And that doctor is ignorant of the current state of the law if they believe California still has plant limits.

Federal limit of 99 is where most of us have put ourselves.

My own doctor is very careful about how he's worded his standard recommendation. He ONLY states that he recommends that I use cannabis for my problem(s) and specifically does not state plant numbers or finished bud amounts because that would limit me. What you want is this type of doctor, that knows the law and knows how to write a recommendation.

 

[Abob]

Seamaiden do you know of a way to raise the plant limits if your registered with State of California Medical Marijuana program?

 

[Abob]

I just read in 420 something about doctors being allowed to recommend more than the state minimum. Is it fairly easy, or difficult to find a doctor that will make such a recomendation? I have a well documented qualifying condition.

GreenThumb, pending on where you got your rec its a matter of paying a higher fee to get a higher plant count. I renewed my rec last month and if I wanted a 99 plant limit, they wanted an additional $250.00 what a crock of sh_t . I found another Doc who's fee where $140 for rec and 79 plant count.
Just need to call around and find your best deal. The phone people at the doc office will talk openly with you.

 

[Seamaiden]

Stop participating in the ID card program, make sure your recommending doctor does not write a reco that limits you in any way, shape, or form and you won't need them to charge you more to simply write a different recommendation, no?

Seamaiden do you know of a way to raise the plant limits if your registered with State of California Medical Marijuana program?

No. In fact, that's one of the specific reasons why I do not participate in the state ID program, which my attorney confirmed as a good move for someone like myself who needs quite a bit more than the average Joe--by doing so you are legally voluntarily limiting yourself. I did not come to a conclusion on the disposition of whether or not someone who already has a state ID can somehow be exempted from those limits simply by their recommending doctor specifying such, either.

My attorney feels the law and court decision was fairly absolute on the matter--get a state ID card and you must adhere to the limits. Of course, that may also have to do with the fact that the jurisdiction he's familiar with is generally 420-unfriendly, and he's cautious in the extreme. Other attorneys, especially any who specialize in MMJ defense, may feel differently. I don't think there is precedent case on law on this specific type of issue, yet.

Plant counts and finished weight amounts are something that I feel my own doctor, were he writing for folks who do have IDs, would gladly include in his recs without charging an extra fee for, let alone such an exorbitant one. Every year my renewal costs less and less, too, that $250 is more than he charged me for my initial consultation.

 

[mrbong73]

Here's an LA Times article that briefly explains the supreme court ruling.

And a longer version.

 

[amstercal]

Agree with Seamaiden from what I've heard on the ID program. Remember, you're not looking for a dr who will write a recommendation for a lot of plants... You're looking for one who'd be willing to testify you need that many if it ever came up.

 

[amstercal]

And you are asking about California, right (since you are in Colorado?)?

 

[GreenThumbBill]

Thanks for the info everyone.

I spent 3 years in the Tahoe area after college. Best years of my life. Considering a return. Colorado is growing stale.

 

[Abob]

Here's an LA Times article that briefly explains the supreme court ruling.

And a longer version.

From what I read and understand from the very very long version of Peoples vs Kelly, A California Medical Marijuana Identification Card, either as a patient or care giver with limitations subordinates to your doctors recommendation. I like the sanctuary of the state ID card from arrest, but not the limitations. IYHO would I still have the sanctuary from arrest having the state ID card along with my doctors recommendation stating I may have more to satisfy my needs from my doctor to facilitate my needs. or how ever that was worded?
Is that how you read it?

 

[GreenThumbBill]

From what I read and understand from the very very long version of Peoples vs Kelly, A California Medical Marijuana Identification Card, either as a patient or care giver with limitations subordinates to your doctors recommendation. I like the sanctuary of the state ID card from arrest, but not the limitations. IYHO would I still have the sanctuary from arrest having the state ID card along with my doctors recommendation stating I may have more to satisfy my needs from my doctor to facilitate my needs. or how ever that was worded?
Is that how you read it?

If the doctor is willing to testify in court on your behalf then I can see your point. But it doesn't really seem to me that a doctor that charges extra for a higher plant recommendation would be the type to appear in court on behalf of the patient.

Also, it's a privacy issue. If you register with the state then often times you are telling them where to come find you and your grow (unless you have a way to register a po box to an address you don't really live at).

 

[GreenMercy]

From what I read and understand from the very very long version of Peoples vs Kelly, A California Medical Marijuana Identification Card, either as a patient or care giver with limitations subordinates to your doctors recommendation. I like the sanctuary of the state ID card from arrest, but not the limitations. IYHO would I still have the sanctuary from arrest having the state ID card along with my doctors recommendation stating I may have more to satisfy my needs from my doctor to facilitate my needs. or how ever that was worded?
Is that how you read it?

I am pretty sure the limits set by your state ID card supersedes any limit recommendations your doctor sets. I personally would avoid the card as it limits you to six plants no matter what, as well as placing you into a database.
All you really need for personal protection for a few plants/herbs/whatever, is your original doctors rec. If you want to grow more than a few plants best thing to do is go see a lawyer and start a collective. If your collective has enough members to justify your plant numbers, your golden.......at state level anyhow. Feds are a whole other ballgame. I would personally NEVER grow over 99 plants even WITH a collective. Mandatory minimums are a bitch.
Best thing any of us can do for ourselves is to educate ourselves and each other. It's a very complicated formula to navigate our current laws. Peace.

 

[JonDoe]

seamainden & green merecy said it befor 99 ok 100 FEDERAL PRISON.

 

[Seamaiden]

From what I read and understand from the very very long version of Peoples vs Kelly, A California Medical Marijuana Identification Card, either as a patient or care giver with limitations subordinates to your doctors recommendation. I like the sanctuary of the state ID card from arrest, but not the limitations. IYHO would I still have the sanctuary from arrest having the state ID card along with my doctors recommendation stating I may have more to satisfy my needs from my doctor to facilitate my needs. or how ever that was worded?
Is that how you read it?

The card does not provide sanctuary, it only puts you on a database. It's still up to the individual officer how he or she is going to handle you, should you have contact with police. Also, being 100% 215-compliant does not preserve you from arrest or prosecution, it only allows you to use the defense of being a patient/medical user. The presumption there, unfortunately, is that you must be put into the position of defending yourself.

Thusly--attorney on retainer.

If the doctor is willing to testify in court on your behalf then I can see your point. But it doesn't really seem to me that a doctor that charges extra for a higher plant recommendation would be the type to appear in court on behalf of the patient.

This is why I pay my doctor a little more in the first place. He makes himself available 24/7 and has signed a contract with me that says that as long as I'm playing by the rules, he's in my corner and will appear in court and testify on my behalf. He's very conscientious about how he goes about making recommendations, I wish more people used doctors like him.

Most important thing is to be able to support your plant counts/numbers. I am able to do this, in large part because I smoke a LOT of pot. If you cook, make tinctures, skin salves or edibles, then you would need even more than what I grow and use.


OP, if I were you I would take the time to find an attorney who'll give an initial consultation for a low fee or free, be sure he's in the area where you plan on growing and knows the local courts, laws, and players, and do what that guy says.

 

[Abob]

California medical marijuana guidelines

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Patients can have any amount of cannabis consistent with their personal medical needs. Patients and caregivers with a state-issued ID card are immune from arrest and allowed to possess the amounts below. Patients and caregivers without a state-issued ID card are subject to case-by-case scrutiny. Patients keep their right to defend gardens and dosages of any amount in court. However staying within local guidelines significantly reduces the likelihood that a patient or caregiver will face legal problems. We recommend that you stay comfortably below the upper limits. Click here to see the CA Attorney General's guidelines for medical marijuana.

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[Abob]

California's Local Guidelines

These limits are not legally binding, other than for purposes of immunity from arrest and prosecution; they are floor amounts intended to provide a safe harbor of immunity for any patient with a bona fide recommendation to be presumed in compliance with California Health and Safety Code HS 11362.5 (Prop 215), as long as there is no indicia of sales or commercial production. The affirmative defense remains for patients in possession of larger amounts. Collectives and patients charged with intent to sell should take note of special provisions in HS 11362.7. Larger amounts may be authorized by local cities or counties.

SB 420 Statewide Default Patient Guidelines: To be as safe as possible from arrest and prosecution, patients and caregivers should stay below the medical marijuana immunity law passed by the California legislature, HS 11362.77, which sets a minimum statewide guideline of 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND up to 8 ounces of processed cannabis flowers. Physician's note exempts larger amounts. Cities and counties empowered to set guidelines that are greater than those amounts, but not less. This is explained in an open letter from the authors of the bill. Also see the Supreme Court's Wright decision at chrisconrad.com/expert.witness/wright.html.

To learn more about the history of implementation and malfeasance towards California's medical marijuana laws, visit ccrmg.org/projects.html

The California Attorney General has issued his own set of guidelines. These are not binding law, but give an idea of how prosecutors will consider the circumstances of a medical marijuana patient or garden.

Federal law does not recognize medical marijuana and the Raich decision affirmed their power to prosecutes cases that are legal under state law. Federal law does not "trump" state law, it is a seperate jurisdiction.

Cannabis guidelines adopted by Cities

City of Arcata

Ordinance: ID card system maintained by Chief of Police. 10 plants + 2 # dried.

City of Berkeley

Ordinance: up to 10 plants and 2.5 lbs per patient; collectives up to 50 plants and 12.5 lbs total at any given time.

Caregiver amounts calculated on the above numbers per patient served.

City of Oakland

Ordinance: Indoors -- Up to 72 plants with up to 32 square feet of canopy and 3 # dried bud. Caregiver amounts calculated on the above numbers per patient served. Outdoors -- 20 plants at any stage of developmen and 3 # dried bud.

Effective June 1, 2004: Collectives not to exceed three patient members. Only four licensed dispensaries to be allowed by the City. Dispensaries limited to 8 ounces and 6 mature plus 12 immature plants per patient member at any given time. No on-site consumption allowed.

Original policy from 1998: Outdoors - 30 mature plants (60 if less than 30 are flowering); Indoors 144 -- 48 mature plants + 96 immature vegetative and/or 1.5 # or 6 # (if patient grew).

City of San Diego

Still in development: Current version 9/17/03: Adult marijuana patients with the approval of a San Diego County doctor may keep up to 1 pound of marijuana and grow up to 24 plants. Under the measure, caregivers can keep up to 2 pounds of marijuana and grow up to 48 plants for as many as four patients.The ordinance must come back for a final vote, as a procedural matter, to be enacted.

City of San Jose

No quantity limits are established. Officers will not cite or arrest physicians, primary caregivers, or patients possessing or using marijuana for legitimate medicinal purposes in accordance with 11362.5 H&S. Standards of reasonableness in deciding enforcement issues are similar to those in needle or drug possession cases where a prescription is claimed or in a gun possession case where a permit is claimed. It should be kept in mind that mere oral approval by the physician is all that is necessary to comply with the law. Standards of probable cause for a vehicle search, person search, arrest, or a search warrant request should take into account known facts regarding the permitted uses of marijuana under Proposition 215.

City of Santa Cruz

No quantity guidelines; city ordinance regulates cannabis clubs, allows physician's diagnosis for recommendation.

City of Santa Rosa

Ordinance: Safe Access Guidelines, same as the County of Sonoma. For more information, contact Sonoma Alliance for Medical Marijuana.

City of Sebastopol

Ordinance: Safe Access Guidelines, same as the County of Sonoma. For more information, contact Sonoma Alliance for Medical Marijuana; letter to DA asks to protect patients with 4.5# and 150 square feet of garden canopy.

On 3/17/09, in an unanimous vote Sebastopol City Council approved the following four changes to the Medical Marijuana Dispensing Ordinance: 1. Extend hours of operation to 9 pm from 8 pm, Sunday through Thursday and 7 pm, Friday and Saturday; 2. Add the use of the California State Medical Marijuana Identification card and Patient ID Center Identification card as proof of patient status; 3. Remove the 30 immature plant limitation from retail sales; 4. Allow 150 sq. ft. for display and sale of medical use devices

Guidelines Adopted in Various Counties

Alameda: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Alpine: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Amador: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Butte Co. Sheriff and DA jointly stipulate: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants and one pound of processed. (Formerly 6 plants at any stage). Butte County DA Policy

Calaveras Co. Board of Supervisors ordinance: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud. Two pound safe harbor dropped by Supervisors' vote 3/27/06.

Colusa Co. No firm policy; case by case review; 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud OR 1.5 # processed. (Formerly 2 plants outdoors or 4 plants indoors)

Contra Costa: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Del Norte Co. Current status remains unclear, so SAN is advising everyone to follow the state minimum guidelines for maximum safety. 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud. After the local newspaper led a hysteria campaign, it appeared that the County Sups were going to throw out their guidelines (following); but when the "Kelly" ruling struck them down as unconstitutional and then the Supreme Court decided to hear the case, the plan was put into limbo. Originally: County Resolution 2002-029, adopted April 2002 allows up to 100 square feet with no more than 99 plants and up to 1# dried bud.

El Dorado: Outdoors: 20 plants March 1 through July 31; 10 plants through October (end of season) and 2 # bud from 9/1 to 2/28; 1 # from 3/1 to 8/31. Indoors: 10 vegetative plants, 1 mother plant, 10 flowering plants and1 # bud per patient. Formerly 6 plants and / or 2 pounds processed. Caregivers can take care of household plus three outside patients. Also see the DA policy here El Dorado County DA Policy

Fresno: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Glenn: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Humboldt: County Board of Supervisors policy as a PDF file (220k) approved taskforce proposal of three pounds of bud or conversion plus 100 square feet of garden canopy, no limit on plant numbers or lamp wattage. Caregiver amounts calculated per patient served.

Original DA policy: Up to 99 plants with up to 100 square feet of canopy and up to 3# of bud. Indoor gardens limited to 1500 watts total illumination.

Download the current County policies from the Supervisors' website,

Imperial: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Inyo: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Kern: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud.

King: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Lake: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Lassen: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Los Angeles: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Madera: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Marin: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud, county ID cards honored by all law enforcement.

Formerly: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud (lowest in the state and apparent basis for HS11362.77).

Mariposa: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Mendocino: In 2008, County voters passed Measure 'B' to revert to the statewide minimum guidelines of 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud. It was suspended for several months while the question was on appeal but has again been implemented pending the results of the Kelly case appeal, now before the State Supreme Court.

Previous policy: Sheriff and DA policy based on Voter Proposition G: 25 plants with up to 100 square feet of canopy and 2# bud. In August, 2004, the DA announced that the county will no longer enforce plant limits, only square footage.

Merced: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Modoc: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Mono: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Monterey: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Napa: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Nevada: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants any size, or in the alternative, 75 square feet of total canopy area AND up to 2# bud. Collectives to keep copies of all patient's recommendations available for inspection. Download the Nevada County Policy (404k PDF) or read info for patients online at this site: co.nevada.ca.us/dsweb/Get/Document-434511

Orange: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Placer: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Plumas: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Riverside: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Sacramento: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

San Benito: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

San Bernardino: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

San Diego: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

San Francisco: Patient and caregiver ID cards issued by county Health Department; no patient guidelines. Case by case consideration, generally contingent on police claims of indicia of illegal sales or diversion to non-medical market. Patient guidelines adopted in 2005 set the immunity threshold at 24 plants/patient plus 8 oz, with a 25 sq. ft. canopy, and 99 plants per collective. The personal use guidelines can be found on page 44 of the online policy, so click here to download in PDF format.

San Joaquin: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

San Luis Obispo: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

San Mateo: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Santa Barbara: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Santa Clara: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Santa Cruz: Board of Supervisors PDF file (188k) approved physician's taskforce proposal of three pounds of bud or conversion plus 100 square feet of garden canopy, no limit on plant numbers or lamp wattage.

Shasta: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud OR 1.33# processed. Formerly: Sheriff, DA and local police chiefs: 2 plants outdoors or 6 plants indoors (3 flowering/3 vegetative)

Sierra: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud OR quantity approved by physician Formerly: 3 plants outdoors OR 6 plants indoors .

Siskiyou: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Solano: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Sonoma: County policy: Up to 30 (formerly 99) plants with up to 100 square feet of garden canopy and up to 3# of bud.

The guidelines were adopted by the Sonoma County Law Enforcement Chiefs Association, which includes the DA, Sheriff, and police chiefs from several towns and cities in the county. The guidelines were later ratified by the Santa Rosa and Sebastopol city councils. Protocol to review recommendations through Sonoma Medial Association. Caregiver amounts calculated per patient served. Physician's approval if more is needed. For more information contact Sonoma Alliance for Medical Marijuana.

A. Possession. A qualified patient, or a person holding a valid identification card, or the designated primary caregiver of that qualified patient or person, may possess amounts of marijuana of up to three (3) pounds of dried cannabis or conversion per year.

B. Cultivation. A qualified patient or a person holding a valid identification card or a designated primary caregiver, or primary caregivers or qualified patients whom associate collectively or cooperatively, may also cultivate cannabis in an amount not to exceed more than one-hundred (100) square feet total garden canopy, per qualified patient, as measured by the combined vegetative growth area.

C. Plants. A qualified patient or a person holding a valid identification card or a designated primary caregiver, or primary caregivers or qualified patients whom associate collectively or cooperatively, may cultivate cannabis in an amount not to exceed more than thirty (30) plants per qualified patient. The authorized thirty (30) plants must be grown within the one-hundred (100) square foot total garden canopy per qualified patient.

Stanislaus: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Sutter: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Tehama: On Sept. 27, 2005, the County Board of Supervisors adopted Resolution No. 98-2005 that establishes Outdoor Cultivation: 12 seedlings or 6 flowering or mature plants, and 8 ounces dried marijuana. Indoor Cultivation: 12 seedlings or 6 flowering or mature plants, and 8 ounces dried marijuana. If the above quantities are not exceeded, the documented medicinal marijuana cultivator and possessor is in compliance with the standards set forth by this (sheriff's) agency and the investigation will not be submitted for prosecution. Click here for PDF of full policy. Original Sheriff's policy: 18 immature plants OR 6 mature plants, and up to 3# processed.

Trinity: On 6/12/08 the board of Supervisors voted to step backward and revert to the state minimum threshold of 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud. Previously, on 9/4/07 the Trinity County Board of Supervisors had adopted a more reasonable policy allowing for possession of 3 pounds of dried, processed marijuana at any one time and the cultivation of 12 mature plants and/or 24 immature plants. That policy is no longer in effect.

Tulare: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Tuolumne: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud AND 8 ounces of bud. Formerly Up to three plants and 8 ounces: these were the guidelines that were rejected by the California Supreme Court in the Mower decision.

Ventura: Sheriff and DA policy: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud OR 1# dry bud or conversion. County Supervisors taking matter into review. Formerly 6 plants - 3 mature/ 3 immature

Yolo: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud

Yuba: Informal policy: 6 mature plants OR 12 immature plants AND 8 ounces of bud OR 1.5# processed marijuana. Formerly 5 plants.

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[amstercal]

California medical marijuana guidelines

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Patients can have any amount of cannabis consistent with their personal medical needs. Patients and caregivers with a state-issued ID card are immune from arrest and allowed to possess the amounts below. Patients and caregivers without a state-issued ID card are subject to case-by-case scrutiny. Patients keep their right to defend gardens and dosages of any amount in court. However staying within local guidelines significantly reduces the likelihood that a patient or caregiver will face legal problems. We recommend that you stay comfortably below the upper limits. Click here to see the CA Attorney General's guidelines for medical marijuana.

Other States' medical marijuana laws: click here

Abob are you familiar with this organization? I clicked through all their info and it only lists 2 names, one of whom is an "activist" with many links to his website where you can buy stuff. It seems a lot of the info is out of date or inaccurate. Also, it says your quote on one page and the below on another. Seems contradictory. As Seamaiden says above, Prop 215 and SB 420 don't protect any mmj users/growers from arrest. It merely provides them with an affirmative defense.

I don't want to talk trash on that website, but it seems like a blog with copy and pasted info who is borrowing on the good name of Americans for Safe Access (safeaccessnow.org instead of the .net they use).





This program is voluntary for qualified patients and caregivers but many choose to become card holders because it greatly reduces their risk of unnecessary legal hassles for a qualified person who stays within the statewide or local safe harbor guidelines.

 

[Seamaiden]

Abob, are you aware that all local limits are now invalidated by the People vs Kelly decision? All local limits on plant numbers are now null and void. You can not be prosecuted based on plant counts. There is a lovely magical federal number of 99 that many, if not most, respect, including I believe in cooperative or communal growing scenarios, but the limits placed by cities, counties, etcetera no longer matter.

Any locality with ordinances on their books like what you've just posted are behind the curve and need to update so as to rectify what is now in violation of Proposition 215.

Be able to support your numbers if you choose to answer such a question by law enforcement. Consult a doctor for doctoring, an attorney for lawyering. That's my best advice and I'm stickin' to it.

 

[greenthumbdanny]

You've got some good solid advice seamaiden:)>>thank you<<

:passingjoint:

gtd

 

[Abob]

amstercal and Seamaiden
What I was and am trying to address is: As long as you have a California State MMP ID Card you are immune from arrest as long as you stay within the Guide line in each city.

Yes, the limits have been changed to read as needed. As in post #15
I will try and clean up my thought pattern, but at the moment I need to attend a meeting. I apologies if I jumped the gun and put out bad info. I will be back to clean it up, Abob