someone with duds should throw some pollen on a dud and grow out the progeny to see what happens.
funny u should say that i actually have a few beans from a dudded cookie hit with some SSh male pollen...someone with duds should throw some pollen on a dud and grow out the progeny to see what happens.
Mosiac Virus
"Plants in early stage of growth are stunted"
"Both number and size of fruit are reduced" "By as much as 50%"
Possibly but that does look like the crumbs some people get vs. dud branch. Can happen with 600's too, it generally a proximity issue with lighting.
Heres my update:
@EveryOneSmokes - I do think its a cloning issue. Ive been waiting to see more growth on a few before calling dud, but officially dropped the hammer on some yesterday. My homie gave me some snips, afterwards said he was having some issues with the mom in flower and culled it. Low and behold both snips and the Tahoe that rooted right next to them (all were good looking cuts) both dudded. Also appears that maybe another plant or two that rooted in the same tray did the same. Could be from the White that was struggling or from one the dud Faceoff cuts i was trying to root at same time...either way they were in the same tray, and funny how its only the genetics we are talking about being susceptible....Tahoe and White and other OGs. Rest of tray that rooted at same time are looking healthy. I am watching 1-2 others but thats just me being paranoid. Either way- it was only that tray, and none so far since. Interesting. Needless to say Faceoff has been tossed and so were the others. Hopefully that helps the issue.
I would say u could get great qualityand good results.. A lot of the posters that have no experience with duds seem to be attributing this to other ongoing issue...Would you guys agree that some plants that show TMV like symptoms can produce great quality nugs still and yield?
Depending on the variety?
funny u should say that i actually have a few beans from a dudded cookie hit with some SSh male pollen...
Ok so let me take some time to explain what I think is going on in these photosView attachment 408740
The 1st photo shows the plant in question- this 2nd photo shows normal growth on one branch View attachment 408739
The3rd shows a different branch that is duding but on the same plant as the healthy growthView attachment 408728
The last two photos are to show the healthy growth (left) dud branch rightView attachment 408729 View attachment 408731
These are photos I took yesterday. This is my only plant in veg that seems to be showing signs of duding
I think there's different levels of flair up as the fusarium(or whatever it is) is some what slow moving and not all plants are going to show signs even if infected.
An example of that would be plants being able to flower both healthy branches and complete duds at the same time. I do have some plants being ready to harvest and I do indeed have a few duded branches. Pics to follow later this week
i think he corrected to say those were clones not seeds.I like your thinking there but man that is fucking scary to think about too hahaha
FWIW i seemed to gleem from ics gorilla glue thread unknownprophet selfed the glue, (and I am assuming he selfed a good clean specimen/s... but you never know) and that 1 in 20 of the progeny come out duddly...
various og duds. that are slowly making their way out of it. View attachment 408763 View attachment 408764 View attachment 408765 View attachment 408766 View attachment 408767
In light of this issue it seems to me that the practice of soaking all your seeds together in a cup of water to start germination is a bad idea. If the fusarium is on the hull or shell of a particular seed the water soak could just spread it to them all.
i have a few ideas that may help that i am implementing ..
calcium phosphite drench at the root crown has been harsh but seems to be clearing the plant of any pathogens , this was recommended by a crop science specialist here in ag country for battling the disease on outdoor plants . so i am starting the use of calcium phosphites to try and grow through this problem on a few plants that are really sick just to see if it works as suggested.
every outdoor plant i have seen in the past few years that starts having issues can always be tracked to the soil crown at the base of the plant of where the infection begins .. and every single one of them used the same cloning media ... rockwool cubes
take a rockwool cube and rub it on your arm and watch what happens ... rash and irritation!!! as the newly rooted cutting blows back and forth from air movement the stem at the base is being rubbed raw and it is at the point i believe we are getting the problem.
this is just a theory at this point but it is what i have witnessed personally over the past few years ..
for the people having bad dud issues could you please post what cloning media your using to see if we can find a possible problem point ?
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