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There's a dud thread and a LA cup gg4 thread with a bunch of pics greyskull talking about how he thinks he got duds I can link if you want but I didn't think that was kosher if you're okay with it I can link it. Nobody knows yet how it spreads on any forum that I've seen 11 pages on IC not many answers in the dud thread.I guess we can't say it doesn't spread because obviously people are having issues. Im saying from my experience one branch that is stressed can dud and the entire plant is healthy otherwise, and so is everything around it therefor it is pretty isolated and doesn't occur on same strain down the line.
What are the IC guys saying it spreads on? Any dud pix? I often hear people say they got a dud...and its not a dud just a poor plant.
Imo if its spreading its due to mom health that isn't 100%, people sharing unhealthy cuts, etc. As stated earlier my only dud veg plants have been either off clones received or cuts off of those- and possibly stressed 1st gen moms at that. After I make a couple generations of healthy organic moms- i haven't seen any veg duds or flower duds from either of those strains- PK/Animal. In fact I flowered out the PK veg dud just to see what she did, and she affected zero of any of the plants flowered with her.
super wack that the sour dub and that crew be brought up. I feel like I only got this problem after getting dubtech.
It's really hard to tell wtf is going on. I have successfully gotten my sour d to come out of it and several other cuts. I believe its in the root zone as the ones that are duding on me get all foamy when watered for no apparent reason.
all in coco and I have prob 5 strains on the verge of being lost.
I suspect it has to do with a N fed fungi/virus. I know people who have shut down over 40 lights because of this and the only thing that kept it going near the end was daily chlorine applications.
Scratching heads over here. Hey @true grit
There's a dud thread and a LA cup gg4 thread with a bunch of pics greyskull talking about how he thinks he got duds I can link if you want but I didn't think that was kosher if you're okay with it I can link it. Nobody knows yet how it spreads on any forum that I've seen 11 pages on IC not many answers in the dud thread.
From the guy who gave the la cup gg4 duds it's really too much to explain and I'm repotting today so I'll quote...."What up homie, nice to hear some feedback.
One thing I have noticed is that more often the folks having larger issues are running mediums other than soil. Which would feed into the idea of it being a root zone issue, as in all things non soil root zone is way more sensitive. Do you feed AACTs? Plenty of N fixing shit in teas that may help the problem if its what you think it is. Was the 40 lighter coco too? Do you see the duds in veg, or is it not popping up til flower?
Usually don't cross link forums to be kosher i was just curious if it was the GG4/Cup thing or duds in general.
If someone had an unhealthy mom that was spitting duds...then decides to share a bunch of dud cuts could be why folks are seeing it. I mean the cats who shared GG4 with me haven't had issues and my first round of cuts are all super healthy. Again these probably came from healthy moms.
Other than that sounds like Sour Dub related strains may be prone, just as some OGs and white crosses seem more prone/senstive.
I think the same here. I've always had issues with clones/cuttings becoming what I've been calling "hairy", and when they start looking like that I know they're gonna be problem children. What I haven't noticed are the fewer trichomes and poorer smoke thing, just more of a pain in the ass to trim.At times I get what I call 'thicker form' growth.
Sounds allot like your description.
Seems to me like a metabolic thing much like a re-veg, only not.
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What up homie, nice to hear some feedback.
One thing I have noticed is that more often the folks having larger issues are running mediums other than soil. Which would feed into the idea of it being a root zone issue, as in all things non soil root zone is way more sensitive. Do you feed AACTs? Plenty of N fixing shit in teas that may help the problem if its what you think it is. Was the 40 lighter coco too? Do you see the duds in veg, or is it not popping up til flower?
Usually don't cross link forums to be kosher i was just curious if it was the GG4/Cup thing or duds in general.
If someone had an unhealthy mom that was spitting duds...then decides to share a bunch of dud cuts could be why folks are seeing it. I mean the cats who shared GG4 with me haven't had issues and my first round of cuts are all super healthy. Again these probably came from healthy moms.
Other than that sounds like Sour Dub related strains may be prone, just as some OGs and white crosses seem more prone/senstive.
What up MakinGoo that dud shit ur talking about, that's crazy cause I've been fighting that issue off and on, I thought it was my skills to, not to have a big head but I've been growing for the last 15 years so I'm for sure not wet behind the ears, I saw it happen about a year ago and it still happens hear and there. Kinda crazy cause it will some times only infect 2or 3 branches on a flowering plant and the rest of the plant will b fire. I've seen it due a hole crop before, no smell at all and super light on weight and looks almost premy, what's crazy is it comes fr the moms once they get some age to them , I can tell its Gona due by the way shoots look that I would take for cuts, I've tagged a few of them from cut that had the look and was rite on point, once it became a teens it looks like a totally different plant than all the rest , ( short squat toy weird spacing on internodes and grows more horizontally than vertical. Anyways is this the prob everybody else is seeing, I don't wana say it but some testing has been done and I'm pretty sure I no the virus. There's a huge wrote up going on rite now on a close friend of mine that unknowingly got it and gave it.
And I don't except cut from just anybody nor have ever picked up from club due to them and there issues,
Sorry I don't mean to run in circles, its been a min since ive talked about it so I first saw it when I got cuts from a different very good friend of mine and he pretty much only delt with seeds for the last 3 or 4 years so if he got infected it was before that. SO he gave me 2 cuts from a seed mom (gona make a long story short) and I noticed that when they hit teen they like really different and he said that they were both from same mom, so I took cuts of both thinking nothing of it. When done with flowering I had a bunch mixed in that had this issue ( the hole plant was crap) so the next round I took way less off the funny looking and marked them and sure enough they were crap when done again. So I had heard of issues of lock out probs on moms if kept in coco for to long and this lock out would change the dna of make up of the plant genetics and either P or K would be missing. So I started new moms in soil like I used to before using coco (of course using cuts from good mom and shit canned funky mom) this really helped the issue it was cut down to just a sperattic runt plant hear and there and more so the branch or 2 thing. It seems to happen as the mom gets old and really effects the hybrid more especially OGs which already act like lil bitches if u don't pamper them. also this virues affects ur yields even if the plant looks super healthy.
OK now to the other buddy that I originally talked about he was have major issues with the plants large fan leaves twisting and gnarling (AND NO IT WAS NOT BROAD MITES FOR ALL YOU PEEPS OUT THERE THAT GO RITE TO BMITE ISSUE) The top flowers wouldn't fill in but the lowers would and he saw a major lack of yield (he got dam near 2 decades under his belt also). I was on the outside of the box looking in trying to help diagnose the issue with a change some where on every crop there after trying to narrow down the issue. ( I was just starting to see my issues at this point but way different than his) So I finally told him its time to send in samples to a lab and find out what the fuk the deal is.
I also changed back to soil from coco even on all my flowering rooms because my shit was banging like before I ever switched to coco and this also cut the viruse issue or genetics fuk up way down to like maye one plant with a branch or to which I can live with and I basically figured it had to be something with hybrids being finky lil bitches.
So my buddy dumps his entire grow (thinking the issue is in the water or the area he is growing in)( maybe chemicals leaching outa cement from prier tent or leach outa walls or some crazy shit) and gets new spot and new moms from some one that hasn't seen this issue at all, and sure as shit its ugly head pops up again so off to a local lab he goes.
There is a write up that's gona hit our industry (not sure where and when but this was the first case that a person has brought to them and has been discovered in this industry, which the research started 2 or 3 months ago so its in the works. And now I see other peeps are dealing with what is beening called the DUDS.
(some of the same issue)
I tried to ask around on a few forums but of course theres those F ing Dik Head HATERS that got no prob tell other peeps they suck and there the prob not the plant which made me laugh cause most of them where doing 1 or 2 hole 1000 watts lights and been doing for a wopping 2 to 3 years lol ( sorry to rant and rave and also I do not want to offend any one out there, Im the most humble person and allways have an open ear and wana help, we all had to crawl before we got to walk)
I gave up asking and continued trying to figure out the prob. Also with that being said theres a whole lota skeptic's (HATERS) out there and I don't wana hear any shit for saying this cause as soon as the article comes out ill post it on here or figure out a link to it and I can dam near bet that a bunch a peeps with theses weird issues (DUDS) are gona get there shit tested and that's gona be the ugly headed issue.
This is known as the tobacco mosaic virus and effects different strains in different ways, some real bad and some you really don't no you have it. Its already documented in out door tomato grows and other vegetables. This virus followed him because it can be transferred by touch on door knobs card board boxes etc.
So with all that being said I have sent some samples into the same lab and am waiting to hear if that truly is my case also.
LOL was trying to make a long story short I don't think that's the case
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