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me too,i roll my own smokes so im always handling rawish tobacco.plus i have cig butts all over my grow room floors,its a natural insect repellant.i dont have duds and never did.but i dont take cuts.i really do believe theres a link to those who have dud issues and excepting cuts at some point,possibly from a few distinct sources.maybe somebody is breeding with duds also.sure seems like it was a localized problem that kinda spread to just a few peeps and elites were inloved imoI dont think it has anything to do with smoking. I've been smoking and handling cannabis for over 20 years and I've had zero issues. If smoking had anything to do with this it would be much wider spread than it is and I would be the most likely to have issues. I smoke like a chimney and almost alwsys have a cig hanging from my mouth. What evidence do you have to support this arguing you have been doing over the years?
Yup. @WeSolidarity is right. We're pretty far past "cut better clones." Our research team is building a new lab in the Arcata, CA Marijuana Innovation Zone in northern California, called Humboldt DNA. We're specifically going to perform the PCR work necessary to ID the viruses (it's likely more than one). If we're lucky we'll have answers in 6-8 months. For now we're calling them PCIA(s): "Putative Cannabis Infectious Agent(s)."Duds virus? ... No such animal... Take better clones.[/QUOTE
@ ricksauce.
I know you're working with the virus theory.. but has there been any work suggesting abiotic factors like herbicide damage?..
Neat stuff about using PCR for virus ID, I'll have to talk to my consultant about that, we were talking about using PCR for genetic ID, but it would be nice to know if the plants we are working with are virus free.
Damn dude you just drove that nail right down into the heart of it.I'm 100% convinced that we are dealing with a virus. Two of the most widespread and common pests in our industry (rice root aphids and western flower thrips) are both vectors for hundreds of different species of virus that affect thousands of different species of plants...and many of those viruses have only been discovered in the last 5-10 years.
There are many crops in agriculture that deal with similar problems as this, however there are protocols in place to make sure pest and crop cross-contamination are kept to a minimum, and when outbreaks occur it is a national concern.
Unfortunately, the cannabis industry has no regulation whatsoever, and in my experience 4/5 growers are dealing with at least one pest that is a known viral vector, and I haven't spoken to/witnessed a single grower that doesn't source clones from unknown sources (just because you know who popped the seed doesn't mean you know the story of the cutting, or of the parent plants). The lack of cohesion when it comes to pest awareness and the practice of breeding plants in synthetic environments apart from any natural process, on top of the clandestine and untracked nature of sharing/spreading cuts, puts cannabis at the top of the list for crops at risk for a viral collapse.
Almost every crop that is propagated through cuttings or tissue culture is contaminated by viruses, and every crop has dedicated research centers (either independed or university based) to stay ahead of the viruses and produce clean/resistant stock. As we speak potatoes and bananas are being decimated by viruses; berries, melons, grapes, squashes, and a countless number of perennials are also dealing with almost identical problems as us.
There are very few answers to this solution. I and others (@Ricksauce you're the man) are working very hard on trying to get professional eyes on this epidemic, it's been a hell of a year but I think things are finally starting to get moving.
I will be following your work. Would be nice to see some real science concerning our fav gurls rather than anecdotal beliefs.Yup. @WeSolidarity is right. We're pretty far past "cut better clones." Our research team is building a new lab in the Arcata, CA Marijuana Innovation Zone in northern California, called Humboldt DNA. We're specifically going to perform the PCR work necessary to ID the viruses (it's likely more than one). If we're lucky we'll have answers in 6-8 months. For now we're calling them PCIA(s): "Putative Cannabis Infectious Agent(s)."
This work hasn't been done yet. Nobody knows what we're dealing with as far as I can tell. Immuno-assays are useless if we don't know the target. Some duds test positive for tobamovirus genus, some test negative. Serology is imperfect. If someone's figured this out already they're keeping it really quiet, to make more money.
If anyone has pictures of duds and wants to share, email us at evidence@humboldtdna.com
We're tracking the spread of PCIA(s) across the US and abroad. So far it's "confirmed" in WA, OR, CA, CO and HI. That's as far as we've gotten, but I'm curious how far east it's spread. I imagine all the way but we've only scratched the surface of this investigation. It appears this is also pollen-borne.
GGP (grow good plants) is our only current control. This means choose the best plants to grow, cull the bad ones, and, grow them really really well and don't stress them out. Some people claim milk does something useful. I don't know. I'll update this thread when make discoveries.
So far, it's not oomycota, fungi, bacteria, phytoplasmas or mineral toxicity/deficiency as far as the data suggest. Although this would take a peer-reviewed study to prove. So we beat on...
IIRC, it 'breaks' the virus's telomeres.Some people claim milk does something useful. I don't know.
IIRC, it 'breaks' the virus's telomeres.
Here are the Google Scholar hits I get when searching "milk affect plant viruses." There are varying theories on how and why it does have an effect on viruses, but it seems to me that the research showing it *does* is fairly firm. I think people dealing with this need to incorporate cleaning with milk into their regimen at this point.
Im with you on that. Much easier to absorb than the abstract I was reading on PLOS's site.I had a hard time reading those abstracts.. or at least trying to figure out how to apply it as part of a eradication plan. I did however find a simplified version. It discusses vector control, efficacy.. and some interesting info on the virus. And it does include references to prior research on viral control with milk.
http://www.gpnmag.com/truth-about-milk-and-tmv
thank you for that Sea..... I have wondered many times what your conveying with that..... IIRC peaceIIRC, it 'breaks' the virus's telomeres.
Here are the Google Scholar hits I get when searching "milk affect plant viruses." There are varying theories on how and why it does have an effect on viruses, but it seems to me that the research showing it *does* is fairly firm. I think people dealing with this need to incorporate cleaning with milk into their regimen at this point.
me too,i roll my own smokes so im always handling rawish tobacco.plus i have cig butts all over my grow room floors,its a natural insect repellant.i dont have duds and never did.but i dont take cuts.i really do believe theres a link to those who have dud issues and excepting cuts at some point,possibly from a few distinct sources.maybe somebody is breeding with duds also.sure seems like it was a localized problem that kinda spread to just a few peeps and elites were inloved imo
have never seen this before and have been at this since 1997. I have theorized it was TMV, but in Arizona we are without the proper labs to test this theory. However I can help the people in this thread with samples, information, etc please let me know. Would love to get to the bottom of this, can't really replace the triangle kush and its about to be thrown out.
Milk is one of the best things to use to clean your hands and tools to prevent spread of plant viruses. It's not TMV specific based on what I've read.
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