Elemental Nutrients Complete Crop, One Part Base Nutrient

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Has anyone tried Elemental Nutrients Complete Crop? It's a 9-5-15 on NPK ratio and it suggests using that ratio from seedling/clone until last week of flower. Upon first glance, I'm a bit skeptical because it might be a bit low on the N for the veg stage, but nothing that can't be supplied with some kind of N booster once in a while. But to me overall it looks like its good stuff, mainly because their PK booster is all the rage for early bloom and late bloom supplementation and is high in phosphorus.

And the fact that it's a one part, is also attractive to me. I mix my dry amendments in a 5 gallon bucket with a pressure washer. I think the simplicity of using a one part and not having to mix another part which can cause potential problems if not mixed properly, is a huge plus. For anyone that does use complete crop or another one part base nutrient, would you recommend it for me?

I'm coming from HGV after several harvests, I used their 3 part throughout my cycles. And honestly, is it just me, or they're full of crap when they recommend watering consistently at 3.0 EC? Their co-founder suggest the reason their nutrients can be watered at 3.0 EC without problems is because, "oUr INgreDiEnTs ARe HIgHeR QUaliTy,' and that somehow allows them to provide 2-3 times the amount of nutrients per watering than other already well established brands, and very long time growers which barely ever go above 1100 TDS on the 500 scale? It's hilarious because athena recommends 3.5 EC. Won't be long before we have another that recommends 6.0 EC and we're using up a 25 pound bag in 1 week or less. All because their ingredients are THAT much higher in quality. Haha

Half of my plants had week 2 buds at the end of week 7... This can be attributed to bad genetics and bad environment, but I think nutrient lock is equally a culprit. I was watering around 3.0 EC or 1500 PPM since early bloom. Other half of my plants produced decent buds, and even though I was probably choking them to death with that 3.0 EC, they managed to survive and grow, although heavily stunted, thanks to their decent genetics. I'm done with HGV and their co like Athena, because they really are trying to push their business rather than telling you what you really need for your plants. All I can say is if you stick to HGV, using the 2.4/4 ratios and a maximum of 3/5 after week 5 for late phase PK boost.

Sorry for the rant, but I think it's an important discussion. Complete crop recommends 7.5 grams a gallon as compared to HGV which is 4.2/7 or 11.2 grams a gallon. I think they a bit more trustworthy as they recommend a more understandable concentration. I haven't tried them yet, but I'm betting it isn't 3.0 EC, and if it is, can try 6 and 6.5 and see how it works. Anyways, what do yalls think?
 
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One part mixes are never ideal. They are convenient, that is all.

It may be beneficial to use two 1 part mixes. One for veg, the other for flower.

Regardless of what you do, when using 1 part, you're nutrients are going to be off. Usually if done right, the amount you are +- isnt that far off required levels. But it will still show in the plant via micro deficiencies and excesses.

Normally you would only notice it with indoor plants since outdoor never looks indoor and always has environmental issues like pests, weather and other biological issues.
Aka You may not even notice with outdoor what with all the bugs and mold most people have to deal with outdoor.
 
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One part mixes are never ideal. They are convenient, that is all.

It may be beneficial to use two 1 part mixes. One for veg, the other for flower.

Regardless of what you do, when using 1 part, you're nutrients are going to be off. Usually if done right, the amount you are +- isnt that far off required levels. But it will still show in the plant via micro deficiencies and excesses.

Normally you would only notice it with indoor plants since outdoor never looks indoor and always has environmental issues like pests, weather and other biological issues.
Aka You may not even notice with outdoor what with all the bugs and mold most people have to deal with outdoor.

Then my suspicion was not for nothing. It seems Nitrogen may be low for the veg period, although it seems alright for flowering though, decent amount of phosphorus and I think good enough potassium, it has all the Micros according to the ingredients, even has some humic. I wonder if adding their Veg Booster would even things out, it has 3-0-3 NPK and adds fungi. On paper looks good.
 
BigCube

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It would most likely help, since it sounds like they made it just to fill that gap.

That being said, many people just ride it out. After all they are using a 1 part for convenience. The amounts they are deficient or excess are usually close enough for most people using 1 part.

If you're going to be using boosters and other addons you would be better off using a decent 3 part to begin with rather than trying to "fix" an all in 1 solution.
 
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markcannabinhumanoid

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It would most likely help, since it sounds like they made it just to fill that gap.

That being said, many people just ride it out. After all they are using a 1 part for convenience. The amounts they are deficient or excess are usually close enough for most people using 1 part.

If you're going to be using boosters and other addons you would be better off using a decent 3 part to begin with rather than trying to "fix" an all in 1 solution.
Yeah, after getting your input, I'm leaning more towards Front Row. Their 3 part with the addition of Power Si seems like a good nutrient line. But I'll bump that EC down, they start at 2.5 at veg week 1 for some reason. Would you recommend anything outside of that?
 
BigCube

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It is very much strain dependent. I've has some that will take 1400ppm and not bat an eye. Others that will shit the bed if I give them more than 800.

It's best to start with 2/3 reccomended then try working up to and past full strength if you are brave. Sounds like you got this. Good luck man!
 
Dr.Green55

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Has anyone tried Elemental Nutrients Complete Crop? It's a 9-5-15 on NPK ratio and it suggests using that ratio from seedling/clone until last week of flower. Upon first glance, I'm a bit skeptical because it might be a bit low on the N for the veg stage, but nothing that can't be supplied with some kind of N booster once in a while. But to me overall it looks like its good stuff, mainly because their PK booster is all the rage for early bloom and late bloom supplementation and is high in phosphorus.

And the fact that it's a one part, is also attractive to me. I mix my dry amendments in a 5 gallon bucket with a pressure washer. I think the simplicity of using a one part and not having to mix another part which can cause potential problems if not mixed properly, is a huge plus. For anyone that does use complete crop or another one part base nutrient, would you recommend it for me?

I'm coming from HGV after several harvests, I used their 3 part throughout my cycles. And honestly, is it just me, or they're full of crap when they recommend watering consistently at 3.0 EC? Their co-founder suggest the reason their nutrients can be watered at 3.0 EC without problems is because, "oUr INgreDiEnTs ARe HIgHeR QUaliTy,' and that somehow allows them to provide 2-3 times the amount of nutrients per watering than other already well established brands, and very long time growers which barely ever go above 1100 TDS on the 500 scale? It's hilarious because athena recommends 3.5 EC. Won't be long before we have another that recommends 6.0 EC and we're using up a 25 pound bag in 1 week or less. All because their ingredients are THAT much higher in quality. Haha

Half of my plants had week 2 buds at the end of week 7... This can be attributed to bad genetics and bad environment, but I think nutrient lock is equally a culprit. I was watering around 3.0 EC or 1500 PPM since early bloom. Other half of my plants produced decent buds, and even though I was probably choking them to death with that 3.0 EC, they managed to survive and grow, although heavily stunted, thanks to their decent genetics. I'm done with HGV and their co like Athena, because they really are trying to push their business rather than telling you what you really need for your plants. All I can say is if you stick to HGV, using the 2.4/4 ratios and a maximum of 3/5 after week 5 for late phase PK boost.

Sorry for the rant, but I think it's an important discussion. Complete crop recommends 7.5 grams a gallon as compared to HGV which is 4.2/7 or 11.2 grams a gallon. I think they a bit more trustworthy as they recommend a more understandable concentration. I haven't tried them yet, but I'm betting it isn't 3.0 EC, and if it is, can try 6 and 6.5 and see how it works. Anyways, what do yalls think?

I'd probably stay away from 1 part nutrients , but in the end it depends what our your looking for , ease of use verses quality, there is going to be a trade off, HLG and Athena do produce great results, they will run at higher EC due to make of ratio's, they way they salt stress, and the irrigation strategy, but the more I look at them and research it, I wouldn't run them, especially as a home grower there is better options, If I was you I would look in to Jacks, start by ready this thread Ballin' On a Budget- THE RECIPE. you can run it start to finish, if you want to add some additives you can, but there is also plenty of guys that run Jacks and can easily help you if you need any .
 
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markcannabinhumanoid

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It is very much strain dependent. I've has some that will take 1400ppm and not bat an eye. Others that will shit the bed if I give them more than 800.

It's best to start with 2/3 reccomended then try working up to and past full strength if you are brave. Sounds like you got this. Good luck man!
Thanks alot man! Much appreciated.
 
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markcannabinhumanoid

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I'd probably stay away from 1 part nutrients , but in the end it depends what our your looking for , ease of use verses quality, there is going to be a trade off, HLG and Athena do produce great results, they will run at higher EC due to make of ratio's, they way they salt stress, and the irrigation strategy, but the more I look at them and research it, I wouldn't run them, especially as a home grower there is better options, If I was you I would look in to Jacks, start by ready this thread Ballin' On a Budget- THE RECIPE. you can run it start to finish, if you want to add some additives you can, but there is also plenty of guys that run Jacks and can easily help you if you need any .
Thanks for the advice man. I will definitely look into Jack's now. Yeah, like bigcube mentioned, I think their recommended 3.0 EC is probably very toxic for some exotic strains. One person might of gotten great results on GG4, then you transfer the same feed onto white runtz and it doesn't go very well.
 

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