Experimental BHO/Honeycomb wax tek

[bluesurfboy]

I want to be extremely clear, my intention is not to cut, alter,destroy, or otherwise lower.skimp on quality, but rather improve it overall for honeycomb waxes and other bho.

I was at a dispensary in San Francisco the other day.

I got to talking with one of the budtenders and ended up giving him a little of my Barry White honeycomb i had made, Right off the bat, he was quite impressed with the stability and form of the product. We began to discuss tek/how-to.

I ended up giving him a gram of my stuff to try out and he gives me a dab or two of his that he had on him.

it was really good, but I couldnt get the suspicion out of my head, that something was added to flavor or otherwise enhance.

Thats what got me looking at and around PureGold ingredients and noticed they ADD d-limonene (A naturally occuring terpene, also naturally occuring in marijuana, oranges, etc) to increase smokability and even effect.

I thought about adding the equivalent of 5% D-limonene by weight/mass to my pyrex with oil/spray combo, and then proceeding to vac purge and and finish product as normal,

I was thinking of adding the limonene into the butane/oil mix thinking that it would be best/easiest to mix, adding d-limonene at any other time (either in the tube, or mixed into any later stage of purging, may cause swirls.

Again, i am only thinking out loud, I have always been firm on 100% natural, no additives, but this d-limonene has been a curiousity of mine.

any thoughts? hopefully graywolf, squiggly, or someone else with some scientific background can chime in

 

[swisscheese]

Sounds cheesy but will work fine I'm thinking.

 

[bluesurfboy]

I guess what im really asking, is from a chemical and more experienced standpoint, if anyone can shed some light/insight into what i can expect and what i should be aware of going into this process, or if it is really nothing at all to worry about.

 

[Graywolf]

You can add terpenes to compensate for losses during extraction, either using essential oils, or extract them right along with the cannabis essential oils, by putting things like lemon peel or pine needles in the column with the cannabis.

 

[bluesurfboy]

You can add terpenes to compensate for losses during extraction, either using essential oils, or extract them right along with the cannabis essential oils, by putting things like lemon peel or pine needles in the column with the cannabis.

wow thank you! for medicinal purposes, and otherwise experimental purposes, are there any experiences you'd be able to share some insight on? for example what it would do to the end result, taste, smell, effect, stability, special needs, etc

what other sources besides oranges/lemons is good for extraction in making concentrates (for both inhale and edible consumption)

have you tried pine needles in your blasting tube before?

doing a quick google search produced this about pine needles "Pinene can increase mental focus and energy, as well as act as an expectorant, bronchodilator (the smoke seems to expand in your lungs), and topical antiseptic. It easily crosses the blood-brain barrier where it inhibits activity of acetylcholinesterase, which destroys acetylcholine, an information transfer molecule, resulting in better memory.

this makes me very curious as to medically-viable (eastern/western/scientifically-otherwise) ways to improve tek.

 

[Graywolf]

The list of opportunities is almost endless. Check out a good book on essential oils chemistry, such as The Chemistry of Essential Oils Made Simple, by David Stewart.

Page 578 for instance lists 57 sources of the two Pinenes and 37 sources of the two Limonenes. There are of course many more terpenes available.

No experiences to share yet, as we have just started experimenting, but I will report back when we do have anything worthwhile.

I haven't run pine needles through a column, but have Douglas Fir, which is a lot higher in both a-Pinene and b-Pinene than Pine.

 

[SCFSYNDICATE760]

hmmmmmmmpiney blasting...
muy interesante...
personally id stay away from limonene i dont really like the lil lemony flave...
most "co2" oil just tastes like limonene to me...
i mean i think itd be a cool experiment to do a pure limeonene extraction...

 

[Snowblind]

What club were you at?

 

[woodsmaneh]

I have always used coconut oil in my extracts and besides making it distinctive and burn nice it reminds me of the beach, LOL. I do my extractions with hexaine. My big issue with adding things to anything you ingest is what does it become when you carbonize it? (burn it)

 

[bluesurfboy]

The list of opportunities is almost endless. Check out a good book on essential oils chemistry, such as The Chemistry of Essential Oils Made Simple, by David Stewart.

Page 578 for instance lists 57 sources of the two Pinenes and 37 sources of the two Limonenes. There are of course many more terpenes available.

No experiences to share yet, as we have just started experimenting, but I will report back when we do have anything worthwhile.

I haven't run pine needles through a column, but have Douglas Fir, which is a lot higher in both a-Pinene and b-Pinene than Pine.

do you mean you ran douglas fir alone or you ran some mixture of cannabis and Fir together in the same column?

I will do some more reading and studying in regards to the terpenes, as I lack understanding of its role and function.

 

[bluesurfboy]

I have always used coconut oil in my extracts and besides making it distinctive and burn nice it reminds me of the beach, LOL. I do my extractions with hexaine. My big issue with adding things to anything you ingest is what does it become when you carbonize it? (burn it)

So you do hexane instead of butane on a similar tane setup or are you using hexane as a co-solvent on a subcritical co2 setup?

and then after you are adding coconut oil?(I have done something similar, mix my bho into olive or coconut oil for consumption) but i have always made sure to clearly label and make sure not to use that for vaporization or combustion as i have heard some really nasty chemicals are created. I think you get a black smoke from burning oils you are supposed to eat.

but for the purposes of this thread I wanted to focus on making a product for both vaporization/combustion as well as consumption, but the vaporization/combustion being the priority.

 

[woodsmaneh]

I use Hexane as the solvent for primary extraction. I use the Coconut as it is used in cooking and other heated applications. I have used it in my DaVinci and V-tower with no issues and I use a nail in my bong also. Works great. I don't get to concerned about some things that we burn as we burn lots of stuff on the stove and BBQ worse than Coconut oil in a pipe or bowel, I also use the Coco in my hash's. Anyway just thought I would share my experiences with you.

My oil can be put in caps or smoked or vaped, dabbers love it.

Peace

 

[Graywolf]

do you mean you ran douglas fir alone or you ran some mixture of cannabis and Fir together in the same column?

I will do some more reading and studying in regards to the terpenes, as I lack understanding of its role and function.

Mixed.

 

[SCFSYNDICATE760]

SO IF I WAS GONNA RUN AN OZ OF TRIM N POPCORN...HOW MANY ACTUAL PINE NEEDLES YOU THINK LIKE A FEW OR A BUNCH? N IT DOESNT OVERPOWER IT?

 

[bluesurfboy]

SO IF I WAS GONNA RUN AN OZ OF TRIM N POPCORN...HOW MANY ACTUAL PINE NEEDLES YOU THINK LIKE A FEW OR A BUNCH? N IT DOESNT OVERPOWER IT?

Also curious about this as ive heard of others using citrus essential oils with satisfactory success and results in taste, but not sure about actual medical benefit or increase in bioavailability.

I hear putting even 1/100th of pine needle essential oil was too much, but a few pine needles in the extraction may prove to add just the right amount, how much i wonder...

 

[bluesurfboy]

I use Hexane as the solvent for primary extraction. I use the Coconut as it is used in cooking and other heated applications. I have used it in my DaVinci and V-tower with no issues and I use a nail in my bong also. Works great. I don't get to concerned about some things that we burn as we burn lots of stuff on the stove and BBQ worse than Coconut oil in a pipe or bowel, I also use the Coco in my hash's. Anyway just thought I would share my experiences with you.

My oil can be put in caps or smoked or vaped, dabbers love it.

Peace

Never tried smoking/vaporizing anything that has edible oils like olive oil and coco oil, would be intrested to try this out, how are you doing this? doing a primary hexane extraction then purging fully before adding in coco oil, and if so how much? or is the coco oil just before using when cooking

i thought those oils wouldproduce a undesirable black smoke

 

[Graywolf]

SO IF I WAS GONNA RUN AN OZ OF TRIM N POPCORN...HOW MANY ACTUAL PINE NEEDLES YOU THINK LIKE A FEW OR A BUNCH? N IT DOESNT OVERPOWER IT?

It depends on the strain of connifer, as Pinene content varies considerably. I put 2% by weight Douglas Fir needles in a 36 X 1 1/4" column, and could taste the difference. Pine has about the same a-Pinene content, but only about half as much b-Pinene as Douglas Fir.

 

[Graywolf]

I've experimented with vaporizing oil suspended in Almond oil, using my test tube oven, and it works well. I simply soak a rolling paper and insert it into the oven and vaporize off the lower boiling point constutuets. It does leave behind the Almond oil, so it would not be a good thing on a nail or skillet.

 

[woodsmaneh]

I mix it at 1 to 20 so 1 gar coco oil to 20 grams honey oil.

 

[CombKing]

i want too add d-limonene aswell.... kind of worriead about the fact its a liquid