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Ecompost · Dec 10, 2017

Organikz said:
I know some guys like that. Smoke more dope. Alcohol can land someone in jail the rest of their life without them remembering the night. That's what pisses me off about alcohol being okay but weed being illegal. I can black out drunk and run over a whole family and the government enabled it.

people like the Coors family you mean, who are part of the 4000 families against MJ, chaired by Barbra Bush, and they sprayed national parks with paraquat. hippies smoking this might have a bad time, this bad time was technically added by alcohol since the family paid for it. total cost to kill a single cannabis plant was some wherte over $16,000 per plant.
There is nothing like efficient government spending.
This example shows communist support for the health care industry and chemical industry. A) poison the citizens so they need health care,B) provide subsidy for poison to be distributed by the chemical industry ala DOW etc

might have been cheaper to pull the plants up by hand right? Might have been safer to the wider environment. These people are willing to throw us and the environment under a bus to help themselves

Ecompost · Dec 10, 2017

this shows how they kept going for years
http://salem-news.com/articles/april122011/paraquat-nightmare-tk.php

they spent over 30 years spraying poison over the USA, probably still are doing it

Ecompost · Dec 10, 2017

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/article_103510.shtml

Ecompost · Dec 10, 2017

but its also true non government related people are continuing to poison national parks to make money from MJ

brazel · Dec 10, 2017

Ecompost said:
people like the Coors family you mean, who are part of the 4000 families against MJ, chaired by Barbra Bush, and they sprayed national parks with paraquat. hippies smoking this might have a bad time, this bad time was technically added by alcohol since the family paid for it. total cost to kill a single cannabis plant was some wherte over $16,000 per plant.
There is nothing like efficient government spending.
This example shows communist support for the health care industry and chemical industry. A) poison the citizens so they need health care,B) provide subsidy for poison to be distributed by the chemical industry ala DOW etc

might have been cheaper to pull the plants up by hand right? Might have been safer to the wider environment. These people are willing to throw us and the environment under a bus to help themselves

Even funnier... when they do break away from the pharmacy and start growing their own.... well they go to their new pharmacy aka hydro shop and pick out their new pharmacist aka companies sold there... and well those companies will sell you your new set of 12 bottles that you'll continually buy to grow the "natural medicine" you fought for!

Ummm didn't the other pharmaceutical companies buy bottles of chemicals to make their pills ....

Good to see people break free from that... by buying bottles of chemicals to grow their... what was it called again? Natural medicine oh yeah yeah yeah that's it!
Bravo!

And let's give a warm welcome to our next billion dollar pharmaceutical giants!

Merica the free county! Even learning is free... the companies teach you! Seriously for free, thru their marketing program!

But wait I know, I know... those bottles are equal to no till living soil and by the sound of it even better!

Yeah, yeah I get it high fructose corn syrup is equal to sugar, we don't need real Maple syrup viva la Aunt Jemima, why do we need butter? we have margarine!

Haha just kidding didn't mean to scare you! Actually I'm working on writing a fictitious super scary movie! What I wrote above is the plot so far, I have a bunch more but damn it's gonna be a lot of work
Cheers
Cause it's funny

Or is it

BOO!

Organikz · Dec 10, 2017

brazel said:
Even funnier... when they do break away from the pharmacy and start growing their own.... well they go to their new pharmacy aka hydro shop and pick out their new pharmacist aka companies sold there... and well those companies will sell you your new set of 12 bottles that you'll continually buy to grow the "natural medicine" you fought for!

Ummm didn't the other pharmaceutical companies buy bottles of chemicals to make their pills ....

Good to see people break free from that... by buying bottles of chemicals to grow their... what was it called again? Natural medicine oh yeah yeah yeah that's it!
Bravo!

And let's give a warm welcome to our next billion dollar pharmaceutical giants!

Merica the free county! Even learning is free... the companies teach you! Seriously for free, thru their marketing program!

But wait I know, I know... those bottles are equal to no till living soil and by the sound of it even better!

Yeah, yeah I get it high fructose corn syrup is equal to sugar, we don't need real Maple syrup viva la Aunt Jemima, why do we need butter? we have margarine!

Haha just kidding didn't mean to scare you! Actually I'm working on writing a fictitious super scary movie! What I wrote above is the plot so far, I have a bunch more but damn it's gonna be a lot of work
Cheers
Cause it's funny

Or is it

BOO!

The hydro shop! Where fantasy meets reality in a bad way! Plants can't grow without bottles. Duh!

Organikz · Dec 10, 2017

@Ecompost
These r what we caught them using. Who knows what else they have used...agent orange, nuclear fallout, etc. I know they brought russet mites from china.

Organikz · Dec 10, 2017

FutureGrower said:
@brazel any good ones that are mainstream?

I shouldn’t say mainstream, any good ones that you can order lol

Neemresource.com
High quality cold pressed at lowest temps. This makes the cake more oily as well as a more pure and effective neem oil.

Family owned and operated

brazel · Dec 10, 2017

Organikz said:
Neemresource.com
High quality cold pressed at lowest temps. This makes the cake more oily as well as a more pure and effective neem oil.

Family owned and operated

Good call, I didn't even think about putting the link up ha

Organikz · Dec 10, 2017

brazel said:
Good call, I didn't even think about putting the link up ha

Just ordered a 32oz neem

Saint Skinny · Dec 10, 2017

DudeGrows has some great articles on no-till and companion planting.

FutureGrower · Dec 10, 2017

Well after 1 week of have cspm ordered ace canceled their order i had sent to their store.. 90% ready just need to figure out where Ivan get cspm without paying out the rear for shipping

Wish they told me a week ago by that's life haha

Next time I purchase Neem I'll order from there... I ordered it from I believe kis this time

Organikz · Dec 10, 2017

FutureGrower said:
Well after 1 week of have cspm ordered ace canceled their order i had sent to their store.. 90% ready just need to figure out where Ivan get cspm without paying out the rear for shipping

Wish they told me a week ago by that's life haha

Next time I purchase Neem I'll order from there... I ordered it from I believe kis this time

Kiss uses ahisthma. It's the same! Good deal

As does build a a soil and mountain organics. All no till guys...what does that tell u?

FutureGrower · Dec 10, 2017

Organikz said:
Kiss uses ahisthma. It's the same! Good deal

As does build a a soil and mountain organics. All no till guys...what does that tell u?

I haven’t really gotten a huge info on neem yet but hopefully I’ll be able to understand how it works rather than just knowing what it does lol

FutureGrower · Dec 10, 2017

I’m thinking of also ordering some soap nuts but I need to read a little more

Organikz · Dec 10, 2017

@FutureGrower
Posted by Clackamas

From the University of Waikato, New Zealand is this helpful article on the how & why Neem products function.

Neem protects itself from the multitude of pests with a multitude of pesticidal ingredients. Its main chemical broadside is a mixture of 3 or 4 related compounds, and it backs these up with 20 or so others that are minor but nonetheless active in one way or another. In the main, these compounds belong to a general class of natural products called "triterpenes"; more specifically, "limonoids."

LIMONOIDS

So far, at least nine neem limonoids have demonstrated an ability to block insect growth, affecting a range of species that includes some of the most deadly pests of agriculture and human health. New limonoids are still being discovered in neem, but Azadirachtin, Salannin, Meliantriol and Nimbin are the best known and, for now at least, seem to be the most significant.

Azadirachtin

One of the first active ingredients isolated from neem, azadirachtin has proved to be the tree's main agent for battling insects. It appears to cause some 90 percent of the effect on most pests. It does not kill insects - at least not immediately. Instead it both repels and disrupts their growth and reproduction. Research over the past 20 years has shown that it is one of the most potent growth regulators and feeding deterrents ever assayed. It will repel or reduce the feeding of many species of pest insects as well as some nematodes. In fact, it is so potent that a mere trace of its presence prevents some insects from even touching plants.

Azadirachtin is structurally similar to insect hormones called "ecdysones," which control the process of metamorphosis as the insects pass from larva to pupa to adult. It affects the corpus cardiacum, an organ similar to the human pituitary, which controls the secretion of hormones. Metamorphosis requires the careful synchrony of many hormones and other physiological changes to be successful, and azadirachtin seems to be an "ecdysone blocker." It blocks the insect's production and release of these vital hormones. Insects then will not molt. This of course breaks their life cycle.

On average, neem kernels contain between 2 and 4 mg of Azadirachtin per gram of kernel. The highest figure so far reported - 9 mg per g - was measured in samples from Senegal.

Although thousand-year-old Sanskrit medical writings mention neem's usefulness, the tree's exciting potential for controlling insects has only recently become clear.

Neem's ability to repel insects was first reported in the scientific literature in 1928 and 1929. Two Indian scientists, R.N. Chopra and M.A. Husain, used a O.001-percent aqueous suspension of ground neem kernels to repel desert locusts. Not until 1962, however, was the real significance demonstrated. That year, in field tests in New Delhi, S. Pradhan ground up neem kernels in water and sprayed the resulting suspension over different crops. He found that, although locusts landed on the plants, they refused to eat anything, sometimes for up to 3 weeks after the treatment. Furthermore, he noted that neem kernels were even more potent than the conventional insecticides then available and that neem's repellency was as important as its toxicity. In neighboring insecticide-treated fields, for instance, the insects also died, but not before consuming the crops.

Neem's insect-growth-regulating (IGR) effects were independently observed in England and Kenya in 1972. In England, L.N.E. Ruscoe, at that time an employee of the ICI Company, tested Azadirachtin on insect pests such as cabbage white butterfly (Pieris brassicae) and cotton stainer bug (Dysdercus fasciatus) and noted IGR effects in each case. The Azadirachtin was provided by D. Morgan, a Keele University chemist who had been the first to isolate Azadirachtin. In Kenya that same year, K. Leuschner, a German graduate student working at the Coffee Research Station in Upper Kiambu, observed that a methanolic neemleaf extract controlled the coffee bug (Antestiopsis orbitalis bechuana) by growth-regulating effects. Most fifth-instar nymphs treated with the extract died during subsequent molts and the few that survived to adulthood had malformed wings and thoraxes.

Neem's fecundity-reducing effects were first recorded by R. Steets (another graduate student) and H. Schmutterer in Germany. Applying methanolic neem-kernel extract and Azadirachtin to the Mexican bean beetle (Epilachna varivestis) and the Colorado potato beetle (Leptinotarsa decemlineata) they found that females almost stopped laying eggs. Some females had been completely sterilized, and the effect was irreversible.

Meliantriol

Another feeding inhibitor, Meliantriol, is able, in extremely low concentrations, to cause insects to cease eating. The demonstration of its ability to prevent locusts chewing on crops was the first scientific proof for neem's traditional use for insect control on India's crops.

Salannin

Yet a third triterpenoid isolated from neem is Salannin. Studies indicate that this compound also powerfully inhibits feeding, but does not influence insect molts. The migratory locust, California red scale, striped cucumber beetle, houseflies, and the Japanese beetle have been strongly deterred in both laboratory and field tests.

Nimbin and Nimbidin

Two more neem components, Nimbin and Nimbidin, have been found to have antiviral activity. They affect potato virus X, vaccinia virus, and fowl pox virus. They could perhaps open a way to control these and other viral diseases of crops and livestock.

Nimbidin is the primary component of the bitter principles obtained when neem seeds are extracted with alcohol. It occurs in sizable quantities - about 2% of the kernel.

Others

Certain minor ingredients also work as antihormones. Research has shown that some of these minor neem chemicals even paralyze the "swallowing mechanism" and so prevent insects from eating. Examples of these newly found limonoids from neem include DeacetylAzadirachtinol. This ingredient, isolated from fresh fruits, appears to be as effective as Azadirachtin in assays against the tobacco budworm, but it has not yet been widely tested in field practice.

FutureGrower · Dec 10, 2017

Ty man!

brazel · Dec 10, 2017

Organikz said:
Just ordered a 32oz neem

Yeah I just posted ahmisa
I can never remember neem Resource I think just cause I'm used to reading the bottle

brazel · Dec 10, 2017

Saint Skinny said:
DudeGrows has some great articles on no-till and companion planting.

Here?

Organikz · Dec 10, 2017

brazel said:
Yeah I just posted ahmisa
I can never remember neem Resource I think just cause I'm used to reading the bottle

Yah I don't get it either

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