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Does the manufacturer provide you with proper dosing data? Without which I’d be worried as it’s a fairly potent mix. At all doubts I usually fall back to using PPM method using an EC meter. Find out what your water EC is, write that down, mix ml/ liter to water and check PPM , I’d feed at 1000ppm to start to see how the plants react. If she sucks it up, keep pushing it to about 2500Ppm and see if she burns if so cut back 750ppm from feed before:On my first crop, 6 plants doing very well, about 5 feet tall. All in grow bags except one in the ground. I do believe they are now 2 weeks in the flowering stage. No buds yet, but close.
I have been using fox farm fertilizers but am changing to Hawaiian Bud 7510. I need help fingering out the amount per gallon of water use. The list is 5-50-17. So confusing for a newbie .
Your advise helps so much. I have been using a garden measure spoon with the fox farm. I did not want to change brands, but it was breaking my bank. I was planning on starting 1/2 Tbl. but so not sure. The girls thank you.This is what google found for me:
Features & details
- Water soluble urea-free concentrate.
- Considered the world's best bloom formula in commercial agriculture.
- Can be used in both soil and foliar applications.
- 0.5 lbs dissolved in 100 gallons of water yields approx. 150 ppm of Phosphate.
- General Foliar Dosage: 1 tsp/gallon. Soil or Media Drench: 1 tbsp/gallon
Product information 3 Pound
So I would feed 1/2 table spoon per gal to start before working to a full tablespoon/gallon dose. Get a good measuring spoon, your local home goods/ grocery store will have those, it’s usually 5 grams per teaspoon in powder and 25 grams per tablespoon but that’s my guestimation, I rather get the measuring spoon mate.
I have been using fox farm fertilizers but am changing to Hawaiian Bud 7510. I need help fingering out the amount per gallon of water use. The list is 5-50-17. So confusing for a newbie .
OH BOY. I knew I was going to be sorry changing from fox farm. For me it was easy with the liquid measurement and following their chart. It was very hard to pick one. Hawaiian had growers with comments that said they had very good results. I was planning on using just the Hawaiian.It depends on the NPK ratio you want to create. If you want to approximate what you fed with Fox Farms, you can use this spreadsheet. (<<link) There is a README which will explain it. Plug in you Fox Farm products, how much you use of each, and it will tell you the resulting NPK ratio and PPM strength. Then you can use something different (like Grow More's Hawaiian B & B), and play with the amounts to get the same NPK ratio and PPM strength.
I assume you're still going to use the Fox Farm base nutrients, and only add bloom booster to get a higher PK? I.e., you're not using Hawaiian by itself, right? That probably wouldn't turn out good. Usually when you use a booster you cut your base nutes in half and use a tiny amount. The NPK ratio would be something like 1-3-2 or 1-4-3. Hawaiian B&B is a ratio 1-10-3.2 . I've never tried to use it by itself. I don't think that would be desirable.
The safest thing is to recreate what you do with Fox Farms. Plug in what you've fed in the past, and write down the resulting NPK ratio & PPM strength. Then balance your base nutrients with Hawaiian B&B to get a similar thing. You should be very safe that way. The only complication is that you have to deal with dry nutrients as grams. You (or someone willing to help) will need to weigh a tsp of whatever Fox Farm product you used in the past. You can then extrapolate 1/2 tsp = ?grams. I have Hawaiian B&B. I can weigh that for you, if you don't have a gram scale (a resolution at least 0.01 is best.).
BTW: I use Grow More's Sea Grow and like it. It's inexpensive. My feeding schedule is in that link as well. You might get some ideas if you're looking to use more generic nutrient products, save money, etc.
OH BOY. I knew I was going to be sorry changing from fox farm. For me it was easy with the liquid measurement and following their chart. It was very hard to pick one. Hawaiian had growers with comments that said they had very good results. I was planning on using just the Hawaiian.
I do have a scale. The chart link is very nice, thank you. I do not know if I will be able to figure this out correctly, sure am gonna try hard !!!. What a drag, I really hated having to switch. I have done so well up to this point. I had no idea this was going to be so hard!!!
If you were to keep overfeeding you would eventually see something other than beautiful, but Foxfarms Grow Big and Tiger Bloom are products I have used for years and if used as directed it works very well. Keep in mind that some strains like a lot of ferts and some strains don't like much at all. I don't see anywhere here what you are using for soil and what strain/s you are growing..??so I am switching back to the fox farm. What I do not understand is that for 6 weeks I have been over feeding significantly!!!!!!! But they are beautiful.
I need to be sure my NPK ratio is correct.
I am growing sour diesel. The soil is fox farm, ... the one plant in regular yard soil is doing the best! This is crazy! Being so particular with the care and lights, heat and food, to make this mistake and still look good, I do think the over feeding would eventually burn and show up when the buds got started for sure. I am going to stick with the fox farm 3 pack using the correct measurements.If you were to keep overfeeding you would eventually see something other than beautiful, but Foxfarms Grow Big and Tiger Bloom are products I have used for years and if used as directed it works very well. Keep in mind that some strains like a lot of ferts and some strains don't like much at all. I don't see anywhere here what you are using for soil and what strain/s you are growing..??
Thank you so much. I am going to be so much more aware of what I am doing. The one plant in the ground in regular yard dirt is doing the best!!!, the others are in fox farm soil in grow bags. I am sure my mistake would show up when the buds start soon. I am sticking with the 3 fox farm products I have been using. Now I know I have been overfeeding significantly. I sure wish I had enough compost tea to use on at least one of them.I'd encourage you to continue modeling what you do through that spreadsheet. Translate the different things you use (together) into NPK ratios and strengths. Examine different "schedules" for plants. (I was just looking at GH Flora 3-part's schedule. They used to be simple 3-2-1 in veg, 1-2-3 in flower. Now they have a schedule that produces absolutely *wild* NPK ratios. To me, that's interesting to see (how other products are used, what they produce.).
You talked about wanting to save money. You *definitely* can do that by knowing what NPK ratio & strength you're feeding, and recreating it with other, generic products. It's actually liberating because it's like plug-n-play. For example, I use potassium sulfate to raise K throughout the grow. But, if I need to give some magnesium, I might use langbeinite (which has K & Mg). I can use it instead of potassium sulfate.
It might sound tedious. But, it's very inexpensive. Once you learn to think in terms of what the plant sees (not the bottles you see), it's not that hard to do. You can play with increasing N, P or K and see how it affects the plant.
Foxfarm Ocean forest or Happy Frog? Both of these some nutrients in them, Ocean forest has considerably more good stuff in it.I am growing sour diesel. The soil is fox farm, ... the one plant in regular yard soil is doing the best! This is crazy! Being so particular with the care and lights, heat and food, to make this mistake and still look good, I do think the over feeding would eventually burn and show up when the buds got started for sure. I am going to stick with the fox farm 3 pack using the correct measurements.
Thank you so much. I am going to be so much more aware of what I am doing.
I started them inside in Ocean Forest. Transplanted them a few times, then outside in 10 gallon bags with ocean forest soil. June 15. Only one plant is in the ground. They are 5 feet tall now. So they have been in the bags of soil for 6 weeks. Quadrupled in size. I have been over feeding for a month, not realizing it. I now know this.Foxfarm Ocean forest or Happy Frog? Both of these some nutrients in them, Ocean forest has considerably more good stuff in it.
I'm still confused as to where these 6 5' tall plants are? One is in outdoor soil, is it outdoors? And you mentioned lights...must have a tall grow area if they are 5" at start of bloom indoors..?
I have been over feeding for a month, not realizing it. I now know this.
Too soon to drop the nitrogenOn my first crop, 6 plants doing very well, about 5 feet tall. All in grow bags except one in the ground. I do believe they are now 2 weeks in the flowering stage. No buds yet, but close.
I have been using fox farm fertilizers but am changing to Hawaiian Bud 7510. I need help fingering out the amount per gallon of water use. The list is 5-50-17. So confusing for a newbie .
I was talking to AquaMan about changing my nutrient brand in another question area. I could not figure out the NPK measurements. Then I realized I was using the tbl instead of the tsp. So I know they are overfed. Some leaves look like the shot in the beginning of this post. I will shoot some pics tomorrow. I was going to scroll around the site to see what people do about putting a trellis of some kind on the top for when they bud, not sure how they will hold up. But learning so much about the nutrients here. I need to back off and follow the correct instructions on the fox farm label! The only plant I have in the ground is beautiful!!!, The rest have the burn tip and yellowing, but on the bottom and deep inside.Do they show symptoms of overfeeding? Or, are you going by something else? (If you have photos, I'd like to see them.).
I am just guessing here. I was told they are flowering because they went from 18 inside light hrs to 12/12 outside.Too soon to drop the nitrogen
Here in Vermont, there are 15 hours of daylight still, but you were close. A few hours less daylight than inside would tell them it's time and they will start to change over to flowering.I am just guessing here. I was told they are flowering because they went from 18 inside light hrs to 12/12 outside.
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