Fogponics. As good or better than Hydro?

[Anthem]

I've been brining up the PPFD and I just pulled out all the fem seeds, so down to 6 viable Durban Poison regs.

Time to flip them and take clones and see what I end up with. Hopefully there are a couple females there.

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The roots on these things are insane. It's like they are prepping to take you up to the giant in the sky.

Oh-BTW - that exhale bag is doing a whole lotta nothing.

Thank You for confirming my suspensions Moe Red. I never could understand their logic and numberd

 

[Moe.Red]

Currently about 3x atmospheric o2 levels still? correct.

Hopefully increasing because I just turned off 1 res when I moved the hoag over. I need to do a video call with you in a few days. I’m going to do a quick redesign once I get these Durban moved back to the cloner.

 

[Moshmen]

I've been brining up the PPFD and I just pulled out all the fem seeds, so down to 6 viable Durban Poison regs.

Time to flip them and take clones and see what I end up with. Hopefully there are a couple females there.

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The roots on these things are insane. It's like they are prepping to take you up to the giant in the sky.

Oh-BTW - that exhale bag is doing a whole lotta nothing.

I seen the bag and was like what the f&@$ that doesn’t look like something you would use ! But you just couldn’t help it could ya , had to see if they did anything . Thanks for the review

 

[Aqua Man]

Hopefully increasing because I just turned off 1 res when I moved the hoag over. I need to do a video call with you in a few days. I’m going to do a quick redesign once I get these Durban moved back to the cloner.

Sounds good. idk but from what i seen here and those roots im hard pressed not to think that all we have talked about is definitely having and going to have an impact. My grow is a piss poor example of a grow but im all but certain the o2 has played a major role. Can’t wait to get some hard confirmation but patience and me are like oil and water

 

[Moe.Red]

I seen the bag and was like what the f&@$ that doesn’t look like something you would use ! But you just couldn’t help it could ya , had to see if they did anything . Thanks for the review

Yeah, I was just testing it. I was getting reports on their effectiveness that made no sense. I still got CO2 in the bottle running with this exhale bag.

 

[Anthem]

Yeah, I was just testing it. I was getting reports on their effectiveness that made no sense. I still got CO2 in the bottle running with this exhale bag.

Can you turn off the CO2 bottles and see what it good down to?
The people buying into that none sense are going to say it still does something

 

[Moe.Red]

Sounds good. idk but from what i seen here and those roots im hard pressed not to think that all we have talked about is definitely having and going to have an impact. My grow is a piss poor example of a grow but im all but certain the o2 has played a major role. Can’t wait to get some hard confirmation but patience and me are like oil and water

I agree, O2 is the difference here. I have never had roots like this in such a short time.

I think this grow will also finish fast because of it.

 

[Moe.Red]

Can you turn off the CO2 bottles and see what it good down to?
The people buying into that none sense are going to say it still does something

Dude, I tested this every which way from sunday. It was in the tent with no plants for months and raised the CO2 in a 4x8 sealed tent an unmeasurable amount. If you stick the probe right on the filter and squeeze, you get a shot of CO2 for sure, but nothing like what we would call effective levels.

 

[Aqua Man]

I agree, O2 is the difference here. I have never had roots like this in such a short time.

I think this grow will also finish fast because of it.

Yeah im going to do my res change this weekend and drop my temps, adjust nutrients to try to force a fast finish on these since they will be cut almost a week early

 

[Anthem]

Dude, I tested this every which way from sunday. It was in the tent with no plants for months and raised the CO2 in a 4x8 sealed tent an unmeasurable amount. If you stick the probe right on the filter and squeeze, you get a shot of CO2 for sure, but nothing like what we would call effective levels.

Sorry I did not know that. Again I appreciate you testing the bag.

 

[Moe.Red]

Sorry I did not know that. Again I appreciate you testing the bag.

I'll shoot a video of it at some point here and post it up.

 

[beluga]

Funny you should say that. I actually grow mushrooms too. I think the fact you never fruit them has something to do with additional CO2. I’ve had 200pounds growing in the same basement as my tents and still needed to inject co2

Oh, nice! I haven't come close to that kind of production at one time.
Now, was that just nearby so they were exchanging the same air, or did you have separate rooms with the mushroom room (room) exhausting into the plant room(s)?

I always thought the latter would be an interesting experiment.

 

[Moe.Red]

Oh, nice! I haven't come close to that kind of production at one time.
Now, was that just nearby so they were exchanging the same air, or did you have separate rooms with the mushroom room (room) exhausting into the plant room(s)?

I always thought the latter would be an interesting experiment.

It’s in the same basement but different room. They use the same air supply tho.

 

[Observationist]

Oh-BTW - that exhale bag is doing a whole lotta nothing.

Hahahaha

Heard that before

 

[Brownthumb]

This mad science shit is cracking me up…. You guys rock the grow…. thanks!

 

[Bluebuddha]

@Moe.Red

Post up another pic of the 19 day old seedling. The one where you showed the roots and I thought it looked 50% faster than anything I've seen.

 

[Moe.Red]

@Moe.Red

Post up another pic of the 19 day old seedling. The one where you showed the roots and I thought it looked 50% faster than anything I've seen.

Tell you what, I'll do 'em all. That way we have something to look back on in comparison when I inevitably screw up this grow.

First, I promised the bad as well as the good:

That water in the big tote is the result of running the misters for a week - nutes are kinda wasted. Not exactly, I'll explain. But tonight is maint nite, so those all get emptied, foggers swabbed with a Q tip, and put her back in service. As it is, it's like a hybrid between fog and DWC.

Very petite root structure up top, millions of little hairs. I'll put one under the microscope so you can see better:

And then it becomes rope like in the middle, and standard DWC roots at the bottom since they are sitting in the precipitate.

Those 2 are at the high range of nutes. I ran these ^^^ at 800PPM total.

#2 I ran at 600PPM. #3 was also 600PPM at the end, but I ramped that up from 400. Those 2 plants are now in the other RDWC system living happily. Tote 3 is currently shut down.

Tote 4 was run at 200PPM initially, then ramped up to 400, and by then I was too late. Getting this right when they are young is important. The genetics are still fine for cloning, I was the one who starved them. I could nurse them back, but with the 4 in the back, I only need one mom... I'm thinking just leave them in and see what happens. They were my "Do not go below 300PPM in this system" lesson.

Here's the plants I moved over from Tote 3 to the RDWC system:

I found this very interesting, measuring DO in the res as I topped off with RO, the oxygen went up. I did not expect that. I thought that RO water stored in a 30 Gal plastic tank would be "dead"" of O2. Turns out it is higher than stirring the res with a powerhead and a venturi. This requires further study.

Look at this crazy root. I'm hoping that clones will not have that giant rope in the middle.

 

[Aqua Man]

Tell you what, I'll do 'em all. That way we have something to look back on in comparison when I inevitably screw up this grow.

First, I promised the bad as well as the good:

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That water in the big tote is the result of running the misters for a week - nutes are kinda wasted. Not exactly, I'll explain. But tonight is maint nite, so those all get emptied, foggers swabbed with a Q tip, and put her back in service. As it is, it's like a hybrid between fog and DWC.

Very petite root structure up top, millions of little hairs. I'll put one under the microscope so you can see better:

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And then it becomes rope like in the middle, and standard DWC roots at the bottom since they are sitting in the precipitate.

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Those 2 are at the high range of nutes. I ran these ^^^ at 800PPM total.

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#2 I ran at 600PPM. #3 was also 600PPM at the end, but I ramped that up from 400. Those 2 plants are now in the other RDWC system living happily. Tote 3 is currently shut down.

Tote 4 was run at 200PPM initially, then ramped up to 400, and by then I was too late. Getting this right when they are young is important. The genetics are still fine for cloning, I was the one who starved them. I could nurse them back, but with the 4 in the back, I only need one mom... I'm thinking just leave them in and see what happens. They were my "Do not go below 300PPM in this system" lesson.

Here's the plants I moved over from Tote 3 to the RDWC system:

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I'm gonna come back and edit to add some more.

Looks great man…. very encouraging

 

[Moe.Red]

Sorry I shot this video correctly and the forum puts it sideways. I gotta look into how to fix that.

 

[Bluebuddha]

Wow. So it looks like ++O2 also scales with PPM uptake. I had to triple check you said 800ppm. It makes sense. I'm gonna throw this out there, I may be wrong, but, if this is dialed in, 60%++ is possible . Im starting to think efficiency is scaling way up there. You keep going and you're gonna break "Moore's" law in botany. Oh sorry, I meant "Moe's" law.

This is amazing and I'm gonna go think about the implications because honestly, it's bordering on a paradigm shift. It almost scares me.