Gdp Vs. Urkle Vs. Grape Ape... Same Plant??

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Srenots

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new strain... cant find much info but Family Vault Purple x Purple Hulk ....

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Krypto

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Srenots said:
also runnning Cherry Pie (cut only), F1 Durban x Grand Daddy Purple ...excellent smoke

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Oh he'll yeah.
Srenots said:
also runnning Cherry Pie (cut only), F1 Durban x Grand Daddy Purple ...excellent smoke

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Oh he'll yeah! You got "real" cherry pie. Lucky. Never had it to be honest. Does it live up to the hype? and it doesn't have OG in it like GSC?
We are a couple months away from finishing 14er Special (Tahoe x Forum cut) STOKED!!!
 
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Srenots said:
Thx ...always lookin for new genetics...keep rockin bro
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A few of our all-stars
StarDog F2
CO FLO x StarDog
Scott's OG x Ghost OG
OG RINGO
Harle-tsu
Quantum Kush x Chemdog 91'
Dr. Who x Nor Cat Piss x Moontang
and the 14er Special, a dozen more and a lot of old school crosses on the way. We have an unknown purple that reeeeks of sweet,grape,citrus,funk!!!
 
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Dankalicious said:


In this video Ken Estes claims that GDP is an Afghani Indica brought to NorCal from Vietnam during the 70s. Now if your crazy uncle traveled around the country in a microbus and went to crazy concerts and music festivals passing this cut around, it is very likely that this original cut could have been hoarded in basements and closets all around the country. (If the gardener was successful in making new cuttings each year.) It is also possible that this cut was renamed multiple times and the most popular names became more well known than others.

It is local rumor that GDP, Grape Ape, & Purple Urkle are just different phenotypes of the same strain. But it is my understanding that to create phenotypes you have to either feminize some seeds with a herm cut or outcross with something else. To express recessive genetics or to mix them with other genetics. In his video he says the cut he received was crossed with a skunk and bred for 22 years by the NorCal Native Americans. I think that's what he said. Either way the Native American who received the original Afghani cut (which he said came from an American GI smuggled back overseas) could have started with a clone that made its way all around the US. Could have.

Any GDP, Grape Ape, or Urkle farmers on here?

What do you think about the Genetics? Same plant with different names or just a few different crosses all with the same original ancestor?

This is my cut. It was sold to me as "double purple doja" which it is most definitely not.
Produces some of the largest fan leaves I have ever seen and grows extremely short and bushy.
Loves heavy sun, cold temps, and lots of wind. Hates heat and humidity. I've grown this plant in 35 degree weather indoors and watched it frost over outside and not die. Some crazy shit. Tastes like purple perfume when cured. (Yes it actually tells your brain you are smelling a color) Ripe on the vine you can pick up skunk and diesel smells. Small glandular heads but very potent. Amber Trichs. Pale seeds with lots of dark black striping.
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WeirdWentPro said:
They are not the same, but are related. GDP and Ape have their origins in the Urkel, and Ken Estes had nothing to do with any of them until very late in the long and at times sketchy story. Urkel (it had a lot of different names at the time, I mostly saw it as Humboldt Purple or Urkel) came on the scene in the late 90's in SoHum, right about the same time as the Mendo Purps.

99/00/01 both those strains blew up like crazy. The Bay Area just HAD to have their Grapes. It was generally accepted that they were 2 different phenos from the same batch of seeds (Urkel was short, very dense and always purple, Mendo was taller, a bit looser, much bigger, and not always purple, but very similar taste/smell and effect in both), and rumor had it at the time that they were the only 2 to succesfully germ from a stash that a Vietnam vet had brought back from Afghanistan in the late 70's (did not come from Vietnam), that his kids found when he passed and tried to sprout. That much I gathered through the grapevine (pardon the pun) at the time.

This much I know to be true: GDP is Urkel x Salmon Creek Big Bud.

Everyone loved the Urkel but it wasn't viewed as a big producer. It made small, but EXTREMELY dense buds, and vegged VERY slowly. It was a good producer if you knew to veg it 2-3x longer than your average bear, but that still made it a pain.

At the time the SCBB was the money producer in SoHum, a huge, skunky, bulletproof strain any idiot could grow and be successful with. One of the truly big producers that still had immense bag appeal. It is/was clone-only (seeds existed but were not distributed) there are/were 2 phenos, the "foxtail" and the "round top", other than that they are/were identical. I dont know its exact genetic makeup, that was played close to the vest (probably Sensi BB x unknown Humboldt Heirloom), but I know it originated from one person, and that person was the only holder of the seeds. I know he had a male that he pollinated the Urkel with, and I know that that became the (at the time) clone-only GDP, which as soon as it hit was THE must have strain of the time and place. It had all the best qualities of the Urkel, but was bigger and faster than the Mendo. Considering the immense demand for Purple in NorCal at the time, it was the one strain everyone who wanted to turn a dollar absolutely had to have. I know there was a ton of demand, from many different interested parties with deep pockets, for the GDP seed stock to be released.

I know that while this was all going on, the SCBB/GDP dude disappeared, never to be heard from again, and within a year or two from that happening, Estes started selling GDP seed and claiming it as either his own, or telling that utter BS Native American story. Estes doesnt strike me as the kind of person who would disappear anyone, so Im not trying to insinuate anything there, but I do think it's extremely likely he got it from someone who would and likely did.

The Ape is Urkel that Bret crossed with something else and bred the something else mostly out of it.
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Thanks brothers,,, that was an excellent read on my Sun afternoon! Much appreciation!

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This was a bed full of all the different Purples I grew out side by side back around 04/05...I grew Urkle (aka The Purple), Grandaddy Purple, Grape Ape, Bridgeville Black Afghan, Nepalean Purple, Purple Nepal, Tuity Fruity Purple, Pakistani Purple Kush, among others...a lot of the 'names' were the same cuts...but Grandaddy Purple, Tuity Fruity Purple, and Grape Ape were all different. The Grape Ape was the biggest and GDP always seemed kinda 'meh' compared to Urkle. Their differences were more apparent when grown outdoors in full sun long season as that's when the plants reached their full potential.

Most all of what @WeirdWentPro says is true...or at least same I've heard over the years. There's some weirdness about the Mendo Purp's story...I've heard the same story he tells but that comes from Les (RIP) and it doesn't fit with the popular Mendo Purple cut that Jason Kings girlfriend at the time sprouted around Y2K. I'm guessing it's 2 different Mendo Purps?

Grandaddy Purple is Purple Urkle x Salmon Creek Bigbud as Weird said...and there's no fantastic backstory on Salmon Creek Bigbud's heredity...Chris (RIP/MIA) smuggled 50 Sensi Bigbud seeds back from Amsterdam the year it won the cup...nothing more, nothing less...maybe that's why that info was held close?

As for Grape Ape...I don't believe Bret had anything to do with breeding it...I was under the assumption he merely acquired the cut roundabout Mendocino?
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And brother, im always all ears when you talk...
Got about 5 weeks left on some Urkles Girl and Sour Urkle.... pics below

Krypto said:
I'm a Dapper Dan man Damnit! Anywhoy! Lol...@highersolutions has some sick sick sick was Urkle crosses in homemsde hybrids. Check out the Ultimate Fighter!!! One BADASS purp!
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Dude has some sick crosses! I was lucky enough to get gifted a few. Its gonna be a few before i can pheno hunt due to I have enough things to deal with at the moment... Besides his urkle cross he sent me, which makes 3 crosses i have now of the urcle, he also sent me Psychotic Kush, a cross of his crazy kush! Im excited to run it this fall!
 
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